Why People are STILL Laughing at Creationists (and ID'ers)

“I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.”

“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.”

What is the dividing line for good and evil?

reply to post by trueperspective

The actions of men can not be used to describe the character of God.

Of course they can if it is true that they are made in its' image.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
We laugh at creationists because they're absolutely ignorant.

It always seems like creationists are the ones laughed at and named called, as if the other side as something better to do than to laugh and name call.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
They refuse to look at factual evidence and refuse to agree with science.

"They" ...so...ALL creationists, "refuse to look at factual evidence and refuse to agree with science?"

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Fairy tales are for kids, but these people obviously don't know that.

Bickering should be trimmed a bit, to help ease through threads.

For those who are connecting violence with religion, you're absolutely right.

Religious institutions are the main reasons there is violent conflict on this planet. Look at the crusades, look at the Middle East, look at the radical "pro lifers" who blow up Planned Parenthood or Women clinics, etc.

Religion is destructive and it's for those who lack responsibility.

To all who dismiss crationism I have a few questions for your "logic" but before I begin I will just say that I believe evolution and Intelligent Design (Nothing to do with christianity, the bible or any other religion) can go hand in hand.

Space can't go on forever as it would need to constantly being created, but if it ends whats beyond the end and whatever that is.. where did that come from? and if the big bang theory, should indicate it's in a constant cycle somthing had to start that cycle off... so it all comes back to an intitial "creator"

You have the same problem looking inward to small particles, you can keep going in forever because every particle must be made of other particles.

In biology you have microbes consisting of a few cells that have traits that evolution can not explain because you have multiple traits that rely on each other to exist following evolution theory yet we all know one must come first because if they popped up overnight that would be intelligent deisgn and if they showed through evolution the microbe would not of survived to pass on its traits.

Take big bang theory, even if it is a cycle somthing had to start that cycle off... so it all comes back to an intitial "creator"

From Science's point of view, if the creator exists, who made the creator?

So it would seem logical to me that neither science or the creationists have the answer and the truth is probably somthing we havnt even comprehended because we can only observe what we can see and measure which is such a tiny part of reality therefore from my understanding it is pointless trying to argue either side and both sides are wasting our time and not listening to each other point of views. I believe both theories should be taught in high school, but it should be clearly be stated what view accepted mainstream science takes as this is what people are going to need to know in this world - However I must emphisise that it does not mean it is correct or that students should not be taught multiple theories so they can learn to reason for themselves (Evolution AND creationism are THEORIES not proven fact so I think the OP needs to get off his high horse and answer my questions before he dismisses others saying they have the answer, My only reply will be " ok, and what happened before that" and you will come undone because the fact is YOU DONT KNOW - HOW HARD IS THAT TO SAY).

YOU DONT KNOW so let them decide for themselves
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To all the evolutionists: What causes evolution? Variation - without variation you are not going to get all the possible outcomes to get the desired result, let them hear the theories in school... or you risk becoming a kind of religion yourself.

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by trueperspective

 

The actions of men can not be used to describe the character of God.

Of course they can if it is true that they are made in its' image.

That is one of the biggest mis-statements I have ever heard. Try not to speak about that which you do not understand.

reply to post by moocowman


I am surprised that you're asking that. I said: respectively.

That means the first one corresponds to the first one, etc.

To be absolutely clear, Albert Einstein was a Jew, and Sir Newton, as you and I both know, was a Christian.

Now you knew that already, didn't you?

Originally posted by byteshertz

Space can't go on forever as it would need to constantly being created,

Question:

Why? Why does it have to be created by an intelligent design? It seems to me that many (including you) want something there. It gives you some kind of hope. Well it's not hopeless that there is nothing there. You should be proud and grateful we are indeed a unique species in our Solar System.

Although, there is no doubt throughout various galaxies, there are much more advanced beings than us. Do you think they believe their planet is only a couple thousand years old when really it's more than a couple million? There probably is some cult like institution on their planet that believes so.

Just like there is on ours.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by GorehoundLarry]

new research and discoveries in such fields as physics, cosmology, biochemistry, genetics, and paleontology have caused a growing number of scientists and science theorists to question neo-Darwinism and propose intelligent design as the best explanation for the existence of specified complexity throughout the natural world.

www.discovery.org...

Evidence for Design in Physics and Cosmology
The fine-tuning of the laws of physics and chemistry to allow for advanced life is an example of extremely high levels of CSI in nature. The laws of the universe are complex because they are highly unlikely. Cosmologists have calculated the odds of a life-friendly universe appearing by chance are less than one part in 1010^123. That’s ten raised to a power of 10 with 123 zeros after it! The laws of the universe are specified in that they match the narrow band of parameters required for the existence of advanced life. As an atheist cosmologist Fred Hoyle observed, “[a] common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” The universe itself shows strong evidence of having been designed. To find out more, read Jay Richards, “Is There Merit for ID in Cosmology, Physics, and Astronomy?” and Stephen Meyer, “Evidence of Design in Physics and Biology.”

www.opposingviews.com...

common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.”

This coming from an atheist.

www.discovery.org...

nearly all molecular biologists now recognize, the coding regions of DNA possess a high “information content”—where “information content” in a biological context means precisely “complexity and specificity.” Even atheist zoologist Richard Dawkins concedes that “iology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” Atheists like Dawkins believe that unguided natural processes did all the “designing” but intelligent design theorist Stephen C. Meyer notes, “in all cases where we know the causal origin of ‘high information content,’ experience has shown that intelligent design played a causal role.” To find out more, read Stephen Meyer, “DNA and Other Designs” or “DNA and the Origin of Life.”

www.discovery.org...
www.discovery.org...

The myriad enzymes used in the process that converts the genetic information in DNA into proteins are themselves created by the process that converts DNA into proteins. Many fundamental biochemical systems won’t function unless their basic machinery is intact, so how does such complexity evolve via a “blind” and “undirected” Darwinian process of numerous, successive, slight modifications? Since cellular language requires an author, and microbiological machines require an engineer, and genetically encoded programs require a programmer, increasing numbers of scientists feel the best explanation is intelligent design. To find out more, read Michael Behe, “Molecular Machines:Experimental Support for the Design Inference,” or Stephen Meyer, “The Cambrian Explosion: Biology’s Big Bang.

www.discovery.org...
www.discovery.org...

Don't be so close minded, works both ways.

Originally posted by Solofront

What is the dividing line for good and evil?

My belief is that there is no such thing as Good and Evil, only Love and Fear.

There is no such thing as Right and Wrong...only in the mind of the Observer..

All this talk of where we came from, and non about where we are going.. :shk:

Just for the fun of it:


Single Origin of Humans www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070718140829.htm



No opinions needed on this one, it's straight facts.

the ridicule is because we believe ourselves to be different.
it is a tool of division.
we hear ignorant or offensive comments,
and separate ourselves from the other in our minds,
as though we have never appeared the same way to another.

our species scientific and spiritual understanding is in embryonic stages,
relative to the age of the universe,
yet we speculate with telescopes and books to know creation,
before we know ourselves.

so if one person believs this '-ism' or that,
or acts like that '-ist' or this,
we are all one people learning who we are...

we can accomplish so much more together -
in fact, it is the only way!

We are all ONE~


LOVE

reply to post by tribewilder



I don't know where we are going, and I don't know where we came from, neither does anyone else,

However, I think at the moment some are going backward.

if we are made in god's image, wouldnt that stand to reason god has violent and hateful tendencies? i dont believe either way, just proposing the question

also if god is perfect and we are made in his/her image, then why arent we perfect?

and y would we live on such a chaotic hectic world, that right now closely resembles a hell hole?

[edit on 30-12-2009 by l neXus l]

reply to post by awake1234

That's is all well and good, but you are not going to change anyone.

Best to work on oneself, one major cause of division, is,

intolerance.

I love you Jaxon, but you want to control, as much as the religious.

Until we let go of control, we will never change,

So we will never change,

It is all part of our survival , it all boils down to survival.

Originally posted by tribewilder

Originally posted by Solofront

What is the dividing line for good and evil?

My belief is that there is no such thing as Good and Evil, only Love and Fear.

There is no such thing as Right and Wrong...only in the mind of the Observer..

All this talk of where we came from, and non about where we are going.. :shk:

When a man rapes a little girl is it because he fears her or loves her???? Uhmm... sounds like your classifications fail. Man will always think and do what is right in his own eyes, this is true and shows that you agree with the Bible. God is the moral compass. Man is wickedly decieved.

Originally posted by l neXus l
if we are made in god's image, wouldnt that stand to reason god has violent and hateful tendencies? i dont believe either way, just proposing the question

also if god is perfect and we are made in his/her image, then why arent we perfect?

and y would we live on such a chaotic hectic world, that right now closely resembles a hell hole?

[edit on 30-12-2009 by l neXus l]

Well according to the Bible yes,

but perhaps we are just another lower life form.

reply to post by trueperspective


Man has been deceived by more then just the Bible,

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Although, there is no doubt throughout various galaxies, there are much more advanced beings than us. Do you think they believe their planet is only a couple thousand years old when really it's more than a couple million?

*cough* "burden of proof" *cough*

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
There probably is some cult like institution on their planet that believes so.
Just like there is on ours.

Which cult like institution are you referring to?

The one with "no evidence?"
or
The other one with "no evidence?"



[edit on 30-12-2009 by Solofront]

Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by LASTofTheV8s

 

he only way a God could change the way things are, would be by taking away our freedoms, and MAKING things different. Making us different.

one simple question and please be honest..

Did you ever have the choice to be born?

please be honest..

I have no idea.
But that's ok.

Whether somebody believes in God or not. There is so much to our world, our reality, EVERYBODY ends up taking a bunch of stuff on FAITH anyway.

Some people believe a bunch of horrible crap on faith. Some people want to believe something higher.

I have done both, and all the "in-between".

Faith in something "Good" has made me into somebody and something I like. And, I seem to be better for those around me.

The rest is a choice. I just decide to believe some decent things.

The funny thing is, if you lock yourself in a room with a Quantum-Physicist for 24 hours, you will come out believing that what you truly believe, can actually effect "Reality".

So, what if it really DOES come down to a choice? A decision. And, what if there really IS some form of "Evil" out there?

Doesn't that mean that the best thing we can do for Evil, would be to lose faith in Good?

What if, the direction our world will take, depends on what the majority of our race believes? What if, in a way, you are right too? Maybe, when it comes down to it, it is more about high science, than it is about spirit, so to speak?

Isn't it still the same result. And, the same reason for the terrible results?

Maybe it all comes down to "belief". And, what if "somebody" has been messing with our beliefs? Whether they are Spiritual or Physical, it's still the same.

We are going in the wrong direction, aren't we.