CIA behind failed plane attack

Originally posted by heyo

Alquada is a database that was created to feed the war machine. Whether it is perpetual war, world domination, or natural reserves they want, I don't know. Maybe some of those, maybe all. It is obvious however that something is driving the cia to create the terrorism that we are trying to, at the same time, extinguish.

And you believe Amanda Garber why?

And are you suggesting that there is no militant extremist islamic groups around the world that follow and support the actual IDEA that al qaeda is based on?

Are all of these CIA secret operations?

www.alarabiya.net...

An Al Arabiya correspondent in Jeddah Khaled Almatrafi The Ministry of Interior did not issue a comment officially on the al Qaeda video.

He added that observers consider that the airing of the tape was an attempt by al Qaeda to recruit more young people filming their deluded suicide bombers as heroes.

majdah.maktoob.com...

One of the lessons learned from the hurricanes that hit America as follows:
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Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia

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In the name of God the Merciful

Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia

God is Greatest Photos in Ramadi, the remains of the Crusaders
In the name of God the Merciful
O Lord, throwing shot and found the feet
Photos of the remains of the Crusaders and their hands and stomachs

www.al-tagheer.com...

The sources say that al-Qaeda in the region has attracted many young people Assesses seminars, meetings and letters under the guise of militants and clerics and this afternoon. Significantly after the return of Anwar Aulaqi an element of regulation from Washington to the region and stay there permanently, where according to sources such as a serious factor the possible evolution of the organization.

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Photos to the leader of al-Qaeda Almladad God God Bless

www.islamonline.net...

First, we must know that Sheikh Taha Rifai not joined to the base, not solidarity with Ayman al-Zawahri in his declaration, Verwai Taha, handed over to Egypt from Syria in 2001, is under detention since then in Egypt, and the question of a name was a mistake of the d. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Verwai Taha strengthened its stance against the prison to call Hakayimah the fact that some members of the Islamic group to al-Qaeda, and endorsed the statement issued by ECOWAS in this regard.

www.moheet.com...

Among other things, which likely al Qaeda's involvement, is seeking revenge for the continued cooperation of the Pakistani authorities with Washington, which reached its peak in recent months continued operations of the Pakistani military and U.S. forces in the tribal area, and the statement by the group called "Fedayeen of Islam" and announced the adoption of the attack in which a tone Al Qaeda's statements, even if it did not explicitly state they relate to the regulation, P is called the release of Islamist detainees and the closure of foreign embassies in Pakistan, along with the expulsion of all Americans, and it seems that the emergence of this group, and before the emergence of "Islamic Jihad" in Yemen gives credence to the analysis, which has recently indicated the spread of dozens of local groups that embrace the ideology of al Qaeda in many countries of the world.

www.masrawy.com...

BAMAKO (AFP) - Mali security source said Friday AFP Pierre Kamat, who was abducted by gunmen late Wednesday in Menaka (more than 1500 km to the north-east of Bamako) held by the "militant wing" of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, after six months of this group killed British hostage in the region.

Etc.... and that was merely searching for the Arabic writing of القاعدة‎

All the CIA... All just a database ? The word al Qaeda means The Base. Not database.

Guess I can sleep safe at night knowing it's all just made up and these people don't exist.

Originally posted by heyo

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Thats ludicrous

If the CIA had done it, they wouldve hired someone that isnt a moron.

Although you guys did vote George W Bush into office

I'm subcontracted all the time.
The indian guy gets the payment, he hires a fall guy for dirt cheap. Well for nothing, ultimately.

Eh!!! Lol

I think if this guy was subcontracted, he'd only ever be expected to do the job once. If he has a habit of being subcontracted all the time for this sort of work, well it kinda implies he's not that good at it.

Originally posted by GreenBicMan
What plane are you talking about then?

The one in the topic silly.

Sure seems more likely to me he is some sort of puppet, as is most of the al Qaeda crap we get shoved down our throats by the American media.

Just imagine you are a terrorist for one second...what would you do to cause the most harm to Americans possible? Would you strap some #ty flammables to underwear to try to take down a plane in flight?

I'm sure an organized group could come up with a better plan...such as:
1) Get into the USA
2) Get a bunch of explosives
3) Detonate those explosives in a place full of people where you don't have to go through security (SUCH AS the long friggin lineups that exist in airports now)

All this was is a way to instill more fear into Americans and justify now going into Yemen. Where does it stop? What would you Americans do if your government says there are al Qaeda cells working from within the USA?

I don't know how anyone can keep buying this crap. I guess the same people who think the CIA are a force of good dispite the long history showing otherwise, and their involvment in the drug trade, creating puppet governments, etc.

EDIT: al Qaeda might be a real group NOW. But the point should be that these groups came to be because organizations that are part of the United States government wanted them to. They do not have any real power, and I don't see how wars costing many lives are justified because of some random acts. It doesn't take a genius to realize you can't win a war on terrorism by creating environments where terrorists are born by the minute, which is what is being done now.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by Nickmare]

From the original thread on this event:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would not doubt this. With public opinion on the "War on Terror" disintegrating at a rapid pace, they needed somebody to do something. Unfortunately, their asset was on a plane with passengers who weren't willing to go quietly.

I'm not buying the CIA plot either.

It is clear from the media that his parenbts warned the CIA of his radicalisation...

Times newspaper

BBC News


Whether he was "helped" by the CIA or not (and I do not think he neede to be), his profile clearly makes him a radicalised Moslem, capable of such a wicked/evil act for the name of his religion.

Originally posted by templar knight
I'm not buying the CIA plot either.

It is clear from the media that his parenbts warned the CIA of his radicalisation...

Are you saying that because the CIA knew he was 'radical', they would not have involved him in a plot ?!!!

Surely 'radicalization' is exactly what the perpetrators of such a plot would look for most in a patsy...?

The sad thing is that his parents warning to the CIA may have been what suggested him as a possible patsy.

IMO, it may or may not have been the CIA executing the operation, but i'd watch the stocks of firms involved in airport security (such as the new full-body x-ray machine) and see who profits as demand inevitably 'explodes'.

Originally posted by Nickmare

EDIT: al Qaeda might be a real group NOW. But the point should be that these groups came to be because organizations that are part of the United States government wanted them to.

Finally ! I don't think anyone in this thread has claimed anything else. With the exception of those who are adamant that there is NO Al Qaeda when there obviously is.

They do not have any real power, and I don't see how wars costing many lives are justified because of some random acts.

But they do. The concept alone can rally people from all over the planet under one umbrella, and has done. But then there are those people who claim that there is no Al Qaeda ready to explain the attacks under the banner of Al Qaeda, as secret CIA operatives either paying off the fools to do their work, or are brainwashing them to do it.

Sad truth is, there are people who want to attack as harshly as possible, what they consider the enemy, and this is exactly what Al Qaeda given them- a way.

It doesn't take a genius to realize you can't win a war on terrorism by creating environments where terrorists are born by the minute, which is what is being done now.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by Nickmare]

Agree with that 100%

Starred.

reply to post by Ha`la`tha

Originally posted by Ha`la`tha
But they do. The concept alone can rally people from all over the planet under one umbrella, and has done. But then there are those people who claim that there is no Al Qaeda ready to explain the attacks under the banner of Al Qaeda, as secret CIA operatives either paying off the fools to do their work, or are brainwashing them to do it.

Sad truth is, there are people who want to attack as harshly as possible, what they consider the enemy, and this is exactly what Al Qaeda given them- a way.

Absolutely, you're right. I should not have said, "they do not have any real power". They have definately been given power, especially after terrorist acts are linked to them. The major news networks have been a part of al Qaeda's network by instilling the fear into people that empowers al Qaeda.

As I can see you understand, it is not an organization in the strict definition of the word. It has no specific purpose. I guess that is where the confusion is.

This is why you can see attacks in any region on the planet. And that is why this war can spread to any region on the planet.

edit: misplaced quotes

[edit on 30-12-2009 by Nickmare]

Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
But investigative journalist Webster Tarpley says the Nigerian who had attempted the attack is a puppet in far-reaching U.S. plans.

The Nigerian was a puppet for CIA.

Could the CIA be a puppet for MOSSAD?

It might be easier to convince to start a investigation of CIA if its to find any MOSSAD double-agents etc

[edit on 30-12-2009 by conar]

Originally posted by jam321


The suspect got on in Amsterdam. Why is it the US fault if Amsterdam was the one who allowed him on the plane without proper documentation?

Just some curious questions.

Well, if the CIA is behind terrorizing US citizens, than it only follows.

That the CIA works for the NWO, not the USA.

And the NWO controls the EU as well, of which Amsterdam is right in the middle of.

Therefore, it is not the US's fault but rather the global shadow government.

Granted that speculation 1 is factually correct. However, this is just purely speculative as I have not seen confirming evidence of this particular event.

reply to post by Nickmare


Okay, first of all the reason for using planes is the spectacular fashion they make when exploding in the sky, two, the number of people all trapped in one location, three, the plane will fall to the ground possibly killing more when it hits the ground.

In the US it's not that easy to obtain explosives, you need a license to purchase high explosives. They can be made from fertilizer, but you must have a license to purchase large quantities of that as well.

I cannot believe all of you"THE CIA DID IT" people, what don't you understand about the muslim religion? Read the koran, the entire religion is based on conquering the infidel in any and all ways possible.

I trust the US gov very little, I know that the CIA has operations all over the world, but you people think their job is to create false flag operations to make the US population want to go to war?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, look up Freud on that one.

If people rally to a cause and that cause is symbolized by the name Al Qaeda, pretty soon you will have cells forming which call themselves Al Qaeda. When a degree of organisation starts to take place ie funding, training, planned targets, then you could say it is pretty real. I think this is the case at present but doubt it is the vast megalithic organisation that is claimed.

Lone operatives will also act in the name of Al Qaeda. A bit like a French citizen in WW2 blowing up some Germans in the name of the French Resistance,

Find out more about this guy who did the bombing:

Daily Express

The Times

The British Universities are a hot bed for radicalists; even when I was at Uni, we had a Iranian student killing an Iraqi. UK has a policy of multi culture rather than integration, they have alowed these people to be radicalised.

I can't understand why people have to invent this CIA stuff, it is irrelevant; this guy was primed to do something displicable whatever- and he did believe it was in the name if his religion.

There is a big confusion going on here.
All rational thinking must start from FACTS.
Fact : the guy with the bomb paid cash had no luggage, his dad told American Embassy about his plans, the CIA did nothing to stop him ! ! !

Originally posted by zeuseadam
flew out of Schipol Amsterdam more than once. It is the most controlled CIA airport in Europe I would think. I was not allowed to move from a little area. A lot of my contacts in my travels where from Holland.

WTF?
I fly into, out of, and through Schipol 5-6 times a year. CIA controlled? Not in this world. Its one of the fastest Airports in Europe to clear customs through, has a direct train to Amsterdam Centraal, and as a result anytime I have at least a 90 minute layover I end up leaving the Airport to go visit the Bulldog. Also "little area"? WTH are you talking about? I can roam the entire airport, the only "little areas I am restricted too are the smoking tanks when I want a cig.

reply to post by OpTiMuS_PrImE


They knew an attack was imminent.... doesn't mean they were behind it... although i'd still like to know how this guy managed to get on an airplane if he was on a watch list

Are they trying to prove that all this security at airports is still too easy to get past?

I'd also like to ask why everyone will need to go through these scanners at airports now? (when we clearly can see who is willing to participate in these attacks) I'm not being biased or racist or prejudice but there is only one group responsible at this moment in time....

[edit on 30-12-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

Originally posted by Stinkhorn1
reply to post by Nickmare

 

Okay, first of all the reason for using planes is the spectacular fashion they make when exploding in the sky, two, the number of people all trapped in one location, three, the plane will fall to the ground possibly killing more when it hits the ground.

In the US it's not that easy to obtain explosives, you need a license to purchase high explosives. They can be made from fertilizer, but you must have a license to purchase large quantities of that as well.

I cannot believe all of you"THE CIA DID IT" people, what don't you understand about the muslim religion? Read the koran, the entire religion is based on conquering the infidel in any and all ways possible.

I trust the US gov very little, I know that the CIA has operations all over the world, but you people think their job is to create false flag operations to make the US population want to go to war?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, look up Freud on that one.

I dont think you understand the muslim religion either, Have you read the Qu-Ran in its original text ? ? not no USA made translation bullcrap,

Also no one saying CIA did it, not by themselves at least, but there were some kind of help somewhere from who knows who to made that day happened. They could and will, and have done false flags operations in the past just to get into war, war for control as you noticed, Now by using this, Also Airport security going to be more tight on people but also bring in new tech and such to strip us from our privacy, to "secure" our freedom and helping the markers get richer and make sure we all are on check.

Also i would like to add something that i wrote in another thread.. take it for what it is....

Something about this event doesnt add up at all, after all these years,after all these hyped up security and someone manage to get on board with nothing at all, then with other reports of a 2nd man, and an guy who helped him get through then seeing him again hours later in another country, seem like this guy has that much power over basically the airport security and the people who are responsible in making sure no one gets through the check point onto the plane, Who does this guy work for is the question, Who sent him? Who gave him that much clearance?Why the perp seem to be so comfortable with him?How long they knew each other?, there's are sure a lot of questions that needs to be answered