The AntiChrist is a bogus and totally misunderstood concept!

To some "true believers" every prominant politcal figure is the antichrist - they prove it to themselves and then tell others. How many "antichrists" have there been? Just because someone rises to power in the modern world he isn't automatically the spawn of satan. And on the same token, they think every person who speaks about religion or philosophy in public is the false prophet, most of the time no analysis is done of that person's message, they just are branded a false prophet for speaking in public. Remember that Jesus was called ALL of these things when he preached. He was called a false prophet, a demoniac, a blasphemer, etc. So do you really think I am going to believe any of you when you say this or that person is so-in-so?

In fact, Jesus NEVER told anyone about a single false prophet figure, he warned against false prophets in general. He never, ever spoke about some satanic world leader that would rise to power in the future, especially in our time. That was some guy called John of Patmos who wrote the book of Revelations, a long time after Jesus was crucified.

In fact, these myths are based entirely around people's flawed interpretations of the apostles' words concerning the spirit of antichrist, which wasn't a single person of emminance, but a annoying spirit of mockery and disbelief that unbelieving people had when they tried to teach them the truth.

The only person Jesus said would come in the future was someone called the "comforter" which some have understood as meaning the Holy Ghost, or the Spirit of the Lord, which would come and help all believers and all righteous men. So who exactly are you following? Jesus or some other folks who invented these stories long ago?

Now there really is a effort to rule the world by the power elite, and that truly is something to discuss, so look at the real world and what really happening, and stop looking for these mythical beasts and chimeras, because you will never find them.

If you mistrust every single person brave enough to break free of the herd and speak the truth, you will never learn anything, you blind ones. If you mistrust every leader who comes forth speaking things about religion and God, you will never benefit at all from that person's efforts. In fact, most of you will misjudge the person EVERY TIME. Hypocrits, babies, and little children. You do not know the front of the horse from the back end of the cow, yet you claim to be able to discern the nature of men and prophets? HA!

Focus on Jesus's teaching more, and you will stop accusing people, and stop making such silly judgments. Judge wisely!

There have been MANY world leaders, MANY religious leaders, it has been 2000 years since Jesus, that is a long time kids. World empires have been founded, and crumbled, all in that time. Did you think things would change? Fight against ignorance and wickedness, not against individuals. Remember the words of the apostles, their war wasn't against flesh and blood, but against the powers of darkness.

Think more and stop watching so much TV.

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Focus on Jesus's teaching more, and you will stop accusing people, and stop making such silly judgments. Judge wisely!

Think more and stop watching so much TV.

Great advice. Couldn't have said it better myself.

The debate about "Is (insert name here) the Anti-christ?" is as old as the Gospels themselves and its doubtful it will fade away. I'd advise bracing yourself, its bound to get worse in the coming years. Many people have a hard time with intangibles like "powers of darkness" so being able to pin all the ills and evils of the world on one person is a far simpler task. Its also more comforting that having to look within one's self and finding that there lies some darkness in us all.

Welcome to the boards. Glad to have you.

Thanks for the welcome.

I want to focus on the OTHER GUY that is in the book of Revelation - the "Man Child" Born in the last days. No one ever seems to talk about him. He is supposed to rule the entire world and defeat the powers of the "Beast". It is parallel to a lot of older religions, like the Hindus and the Zoroastrians, who believe in various great ones who come to earth from time to time, just like Jesus.

I think most of us here understand that the world we live in today is the beginning of these things, because it is the first time a truly global government and power structure can be built and ruled by men.

Arkaleus

Yes there is NO single Antichrist. There is only a BEAST identified by 666.

Its more important to follow Jesus and grow in a relationship with him than to waste time pointing fingers. Of course prophecy must not be ignored and it will all happen but by the time the Beast comes along the world will be radically different. After comets hitting earth, 2 billion people dieing in war, i doubt the current church will be around much with nice powerpoint presentations and life skills training!



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1John.2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John.4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2John.1:7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

It looks like the anti-Christ is already here. These are the only biblical references to the anti-christ, and it clearly shows that anti-christ is a spirit not a single person, and that it is already here.

In fact it states that if you do not believe that Jesus Christ IS currently here in the flesh you are an antichrist.

So, let me ask, are you you still looking for Christ's 2nd coming??

This man child is very very interesting..........Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Who is this woman his mother??...Rev.12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

I have been told all my life that I am chosen of God (that is the literal meaning of my name) for a special purpose.

In the last days the antichrist will be stong and do exploits and those who know their God will be strong and do exploits!!!!


Thank you Arkaleus.

I said GREAT ONE. Man child is another great one, another manifestation of God, just like Jesus, or any number of great ones from other religions, they all come from the same place.

the beast and the 666 and all that garbage is just so much sillyness - like modern day people reading ancient heioglyphs. The BEAST is a combinations of global powers trying to rule the world and convert people to a global consumer-luxury mindset. It is quasi-religious at the higher levels. It resembles the Lucifer-worshipping grand architect mindset that infects the upper classes of the west. They are the Beast, on them it rides, it is what they have made.

Arkaleus



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Some facts, the manchild is Jesus for he is the only one that will come and rule with a rod of iron. The woman clothed with the sun is Mary the mother of jesus in her glorified form. The Anti-Christs are spirits and are the ones that control the Illuminati and have been giving them the insight to set up the NWO. The Beast is a man indwelt by satan and will have God-Like powers that will decieve the world. The Beast is currently here, working behind the scenes setting up his system for world domination, his numbers 6, 66, 666, 3, 13 can be found hidden in the logo's of many companies. All you have to do is turn the box,package upside down or sideways and you will clearly see the numbers, 13 seems to be the most prevelant of the numbers used. There is also an abundance of symbols on everything in the form of pyramids, eyes, and semi-circles. Just take a close look and you will see them. Here is one example : turn the golden arches sideways and you will see a 13, turn the apple pie box upside down and you will see 666 ! The Beast is soon to appear for his numbers which are used in an secret ancient form of demonic worship are everywhere, right beneath our noses.

For the true meaning of the number 666: www.occultforums.com...

And here I quote some from Oazaki to give you a little taste:
in revelations the relevant quote is from rev 13:

"Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth...He...forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666"

you can see this quote in context by clicking on the following link:
www.biblegateway.com...

essentially what st. john is saying here is that 666 is the number of man, ie the number which describes man. or to put in a more easily understandable way, the state of physicality that is a part of man. man's number is 666 because that is the atomic constitution of carbon, viz. 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. a brief occultish discussion of the various possible symbolisms of 666 can be found here:
spearoflonginus.ark11.net...

so what st.john is saying in that passage is that the beast gained control of humanity by causing humanity to focus on their human, physical aspect to the exclusion of the other aspects of their being. or to put it another way, by causing humanity to give more weight and credence to the physical and that aspect of themselves than to the more subtle dimensions of reality and those aspects of themselves.

so 666 is the number of the beast and (from a slightly different perspective) the number of man. and so, as always, the enemy is within, not without.

In fact, these myths are based entirely around people's flawed interpretations of the apostles' words concerning the spirit of antichrist, which wasn't a single person of emminance, but a annoying spirit of mockery and disbelief that unbelieving people had when they tried to teach them the truth.

Well said. Antichrist is a position of the heart, not some dragon beast with horns and supernatural powers.


For example: Atrocities on mankind in Iraq, Sudan, Africa in general, South America and other places is antichrist and comes from the spirit of antichrist. Its a position of greed,hate,lust,envy and billions of dollars in bank accounts is just not quite enough...basically CAIN rolled up in a nutshell. Always wondered why freemasons loved CAIN so much

2Cor.11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Subtility....suggestion....complexity....auuuuuuggghh!!!!!!!!!

Somewhere over the rainbow.....

2Cor.11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Bingo: Simplicity in Christ. 1 Law to follow and even if ya dont follow it Gods not gonna whack ya over the head. "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"

1 Law: "Believe in the one who I have sent" (christ) There is no more condemnation for those in Christ. Done deal, "Its over"

Its not love god with all your heart and mind, most dont even know what love is including me. But Im learning.

Its not love your neighbor as thyself....Hell many hate themselves...Ive been through that phase to

I think alot of the apostles and latter religious leaders couldn't comprehend that much freedom in christ so they basically tried to turn the New Testament into a continuation of the OLD. Christ specifically said you cannot pour new wine into old wineskins. Why ya think so many dogmatic christians are so abrasive and hard? They havent met christ yet. Still gutting it out trying to be (good)

not totally off topic, but this article is about the plans for the christians to unite and move into one state, and have that state secede from the rest of the US.

now it seems to me that this is the epitomy of antichrist- seperate from the rest of population, and try to run your own little peaceful nation, and preach what you want- when instead, it would be much more productive to continue doing things the way they do, and it would cause much less of an uproar- imagine the opposition this would face from the rest of the country.

www.worldnetdaily.com...

Here are the passages that I feel are most relevant to the anti-christ.

The Bible says the a/c will be a man indwelled by satan who controls the EU (probably alot more), establishes a 7 year peace deal for Israel, presents himself as a messiah to the Jews and desecrates the new temple 3 1/2 years through the 7 years.

Lets start with what Jesus said about the events regarding the a/c.

Matthew 24:15-16

�So when you see the abomination of desolation�spoken about by Daniel the prophet�standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains."

2 Thessalonians 2:3-10

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, and as a result he takes his seat in God�s temple, displaying himself as God. Surely you recall that I used to tell you these things while I was still with you. And so you know what holds him back, so that he will be revealed in his own time. For the hidden power of lawlessness is already at work. However, the one who holds him back will do so until he is taken out of the way, and then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will destroy by the breath of his mouth and wipe out by the manifestation of his arrival. The arrival of the lawless one will be by Satan�s working with all kinds of miracles and signs and false wonders, and with every kind of evil deception directed against those who are perishing, because they found no place in their hearts for the truth so as to be saved.

Daniel 9:25-27

So know and understand:
From the going forth of the message to restore and rebuild
Jerusalem until an anointed one, a prince arrives,
there will be a period of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.
It will again be built, with plaza and moat,
but in distressful times.

Now after the sixty-two weeks,
an anointed one will be cut off and have nothing.
As for the city and the sanctuary,
the people of the coming prince will destroy them.
But his end will come speedily like a flood.
Until the end of the war that has been decreed
there will be destruction.

He will confirm a covenant with many for one week.
But in the middle of that week
he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt.
On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys,
until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys.�

Daniel 11:36-39

�Then the king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every deity and he will utter presumptuous things against the God of gods. He will succeed until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been decreed must occur. He will not respect the gods of his fathers�not even the god loved by women. He will not respect any god; he will elevate himself above them all. What he will honor is a god of fortresses�a god his fathers did not acknowledge he will honor with gold, silver, valuable stones, and treasured commodities. He will attack mighty fortresses, aided by a foreign deity. To those who recognize him he will grant considerable honor. He will place them in authority over many people, and he will parcel out land for a price.

There is also Revelation 13 and 17 but I'm not about to quote all that

I believe the anthi christ is a figure of expresion in the bible that has been misinterpreted, to me is not more real that satan himself ocurs I dont believe in satan. I believe in evil people and evil deeds but that is as far as I go.

Ha ha ha

Last Day Prophet - I know exactly what you are seeing. Cmon - Mc666??? hee hee

I don't mean to make fun of you, but i went through such a stage in my development too - seeing signs in little things, everyday symbols "revealing secrets" to your prophet's eye. Little birds and leaves blowing too I bet, it is how the spirit first approaches you.

I went through such a phase - it is the way the spirit pulls you away from the hypnosis and drowsiness that most of our nation languishes in, and makes you think on another level. If you really advance in your spirit, you will begin to understand the greater things, and will put away the childish ones.



The man child is the most overlooked and misunderstood portion of the book of revs, people just think it's about Jesus and Jesus only. Who then, are the forces of the righteous that are gathered? Who are the angels of signs and trumpets? They appear in OUR time, not some other.

The man child is contemporary with all these things, he is BORN among them as a little child. Jesus does not enter into birth again through the blessed woman with the stars and the moon and all that. He is the SPIRIT of God, which is the one Christ promised to come.

He is also a symbol of great hope, One to come, one to restore, one to uphold, a truthful leader.

The Muslims also have such a prophesy, they say that a man will appear called the Last Imam, or Al Mahdi (the Guided One). He is amost exactly analogous to the Man-Child figure of the revelation. They say that He will appear shortly before Jesus returns to judge the world, and the two of them will govern the world Yes, Muslims believe in the second coming too, did you know that?

(among my favorite warnings of the prophet Muhammed - The evildoers will swallow fire into their bellies! :flame

If this story can generate hope, then by all means sperad it, and let it be understood by every Christian. Let them look forward to a living future potential, instead of the dead past, which cannot save anyone at all.

i percieve the antichrist to be a consortium, using any method to bring about their seven year rule. that's why there's so many satanic implications in past leaders. it's the hope of shooting blindly at a target, and eventually, they'll scathe the bullseye.

The �beast� spoken of in Revelation 13 and succeeding chapters almost certainly is a reference to Nero. He was emperor at the time Revelation was written, and his persecution of the Christians in Rome parallels those of the Apocalypse.
In the Hebrew wisdom tradition called Kabalah, there is a system of numerology called �gematria�. Using gematria on the Greek letters �Nero Caesar�, we find the sum to be 666. Another hint is that the author began his verse, translated in the KJV, �Here is wisdom�; the Greek word for �wisdom� he actually used was �sophia�, by which mystical philosophy was known in the Greek world.

Fiat Lvx.

In greek anti means other-than not opposite of...thus the Antichrist is the mind, Christ, the flesh, Holy Ghost union of mind and body, as living soul or flame imperishable into Godhead Trinity.
Of course only conjectured opinion. Nonetheless, people should remember infinite imagination offers infinite logic closure on thoughts without concious absolution; a story to allow the mind to move on to its next consideration.

Consider that stories as legends are told and re-told not just for entertainment value but if one assembles the lessons within those stories that are cover to information and/or lessons that instruct future generations as like architects leaving behind encrypted plans. Why an octagon for a stop sign, always red, so that universals can exist in understanding.

Perhaps one should consider that these tales, scriptures all contain fragments that when or if the right person assembles their meaning a new revelatory insight can be gained into existence itself or some big-fancy thing. In the end, it is that it is as we are that we are. So who cares...but you about yourself truly....

"Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth...He...forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Has anybody noticed...

that the one who forces the mark of the beast on everyone is not the 666 beast himself, but a second beast?

that this second beast comes up after the first beast (666) has played his part on the world stage?

that the 666 beast as described in Revelation is identical in appearance and biography to one that appeared to the prophet Daniel in a dream more than 500 years before Christ?

I think we've all become the "anti-christ", by failling to understand and apply what "Jesus" tried to teach us.

The notion of "anti-christ" is now reprensented by our whole race, and the only possible defeat for the "anti-christ" would be the extinction of our race.

Yes, I'm pessimist.