First dark matter galaxy discovered

Wow, this is actually really amazing. Space just gets more and more interesting it seems. But does the existence of this galaxy, mean there's going to be no more debate on the existence of anti-matter?

Originally posted by wx4caster
reply to post by sirnex

 

no no... energy and matter are interchangeable. each particle of matter is really just a state of energy.

but the rest of your post i agree with...


and to paradox...

i dont see any infants here, but you havent shown any reason as to why i should consider you to have any insight on the subject. if you think we are wrong then i say enlighten us.

Can you cite any scientific sources from the scientific community that explicitly states that then as I really honestly can't find it for the life of me.

reply to post by sirnex


Energy and matter are two sides of the same coin - E=mc2

Conversion from m to E occurs for example in atomic explosions, conversion from E to m occurs in particle accelerators.

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by sirnex

 

Energy and matter are two sides of the same coin - E=mc2

Conversion from m to E occurs for example in atomic explosions, conversion from E to m occurs in particle accelerators.

What I'm looking for is any scientific article about energy itself that is not a property/function of matter doing work upon other matter. This is what a lot of people on ATS keep claiming and discussing, that energy is some separate 'thing' from matter or that matter is composed or 'made up of' nothing but 'energy'. That's the problem I'm having, I understand Einsteins equation just fine, but I'm left wondering if most others on ATS do.

reply to post by Novise

It say's they see things acting as they shouldn't, they move so fast they should fly apart. That is nothing but faith.

No its in fact A fact.. Do you think people DREAM this up?

Did you DREAM up gravity??? Are you totaly insane? I mean HELLLO all the laws are based on MATH not some "oh look its faith"

yeah the faith that said the world was flat? or the faith that said the world was the center of the universe???

I Mean Hello ...

If you was the "galaxy" in question you should BE ripped apart at the speed its going...

F A C T

do you even know how fast the world spins? Do you feel it??

You remind me of one of them people who think the clouds are spinning!!!!

reply to post by sirnex

What I'm looking for is any scientific article about energy itself that is not a property/function of matter doing work upon other matter. This is what a lot of people on ATS keep claiming and discussing, that energy is some separate 'thing' from matter or that matter is composed or 'made up of' nothing but 'energy'. That's the problem I'm having, I understand Einsteins equation just fine, but I'm left wondering if most others on ATS do.

well you dont have a clue do you? shall i show you?

ENGERY is the FROCE that CREATES MATTER THUS GIVING IT MASSS "matter that is"

Matter THEN creates ENGERY = ie HEAT whatever "movement" / friction"

There you go Lesson OVer

get a clue

They are one of the SAME they can not BE destroyed ONLY change STATES

Thats how we get ATOMIC BOMBS ..

sheesh

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reply to post by 13579

get a clue

Learn to read.

"What I'm looking for is any scientific article about energy itself that is not a property/function of matter doing work upon other matter."

reply to post by sirnex

What I'm looking for is any scientific article about energy itself that is not a property/function of matter doing work upon other matter."

There aint any!! because matter and energy are yin and yang?

dude im trying my best here to help you out..

I mean if you can not understand what i just said and three other people then you wont get it EVER

look let me show you again!

In atomic physics ok?

A Atom is made up of sub atomic particals that GO around the atom "not like the galexy / cloud" but they have momentum now when dealing with scale as i pointed out the little electrons produce "matter" but matter also produces heat.. this is also "engery" its like a looop

Engery>matter>engery

You cant have one without the other

If you destroy matter "bomb" "object" anything that is called matter it will produce ENGERY

when you smash atoms you are smashing "engery" ie the parts that make matter, what makes them is a greater level of matter thus engery..

its not as complex its just how it works..

if you wish to learn about "how" energy fits in"

look up atomic physics

energy is momentum of a partical "kinda"

And we still have no idea what gives particals "energy" even at the QM level of things

see?

Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by 13579

 

get a clue

Learn to read.

"What I'm looking for is any scientific article about energy itself that is not a property/function of matter doing work upon other matter."

There is no such thing as "energy itself, that is not a property/function of matter". Because matter is energy, and energy is matter. You wont find them separated. Only their ratio can change.

reply to post by Maslo


I think he dont understand that bit..

they are BOTH the same thing!! hehe

reply to post by Maslo

There is no such thing as "energy itself, that is not a property/function of matter".

OK, so basically my train of thought is correct then?

Like with a spring. We compress a spring and the defined term of "energy" is nothing more than the kinetic force that spring will exert outwardly when it is uncompressed and allowed to return to it uncompressed state. With force being defined by physics as:

In physics, the concept of force is used to describe how a massive body is affected by acceleration or mechanical stress.

Essentially, matter exerting itself against other matter, right?

This is ENERGY you See

but it takes ENERGY to make it happen!

But you can see its MATTER at the same time!

I hope that helps

its more about scale really...

matter is made from energy / momentum but every level of partical / sub atomic particals have engery resulting in the creation of each level of know "makeup" of matter

just like we make up the matter of our visible universe we also produce energy

thats why we are "particals" in our own right.

we are the god partical because we are the obverver "like the electron"

hope that helps



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reply to post by sirnex

Essentially, matter exerting itself against other matter, right?

Yes and no. Yes because matter is always interacting BUT, there is momentum in the atoms!!

we still have no clue what that is but it is there and without the "orbit" shall we say of the atoms we would not get matter or the resluting "engery" from it!

A pan of boiling water has the same amount of energy in it as a block of ice with the same amount of water

Fact

As its density does not change its chemical components

Salty water has more as "you add salt" Vs "fresh water" because you added more "matter" ie "salt"

its not about engery being a "something" its a function of matter its self..

Imagen the orbits of planets that go round the sun... what if they didnt ?

what gives a planet its momentum "orbit" ?? "engergy"

we still have no clue, but one clue is "gravity" also used in many equations such as this.

wow new galaxy is found....

but i wonder, why there's no star there? hopefully we can do research about this new galaxy...

universe is too vast...

reply to post by 13579

matter is made from energy

Can you please cite a scientific article that discusses this aspect. As I've mentioned more than once so far, I can't find any such article.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
This whole "dark matter" thing is bunk.

All it is, is "Shaded matter", it is in the shade.
Shadow, silhouette, whatever you want to call it.

It is normal matter simply not reflecting light back to us in this particular direction. From another vantage point I am sure you would see light reflect off of it, thus it would be visible in the light.


What are you going to try to convince me that dark matter absorbs ALL light rather than reflecting it? You gotta be kidding me.

The galaxy may exist, but its a normal average one, simply having it's light blocked by dust/rocks/clouds/etc.

Dark Matter is a joke. It's just in the shade.

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So you think stars shine because of reflected light, eh? When Hydrogen udergoes a fusion reaction, photons are emitted. Turn a flashlight on in the shade, you still see the light. Try it some time.

reply to post by 13579

Yes and no. Yes because matter is always interacting BUT, there is momentum in the atoms!!

we still have no clue what that is but it is there and without the "orbit" shall we say of the atoms we would not get matter or the resluting "engery" from it!

You might not have a clue, but it's called force carriers, which are again other bits of matter interacting against matter.

[edit to add]

its not about engery being a "something" its a function of matter its self..

OK, so basically my assertion against all other arguments that discuss energy as some esoteric supernatural function of the universe is correct then. Energy is nothing more than matter working against matter. So why are you arguing with me if you just agreed with me?

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reply to post by sirnex


mate its common knowladge?? you never did science?? in class?

I can understand you are confused

Engery is what makes matter work "its not a thing"

think of it like a clock!! the engery is all the little movements of the cogs and the matter is the time the clock tells?

its basic mate i dont understand why you are so confused or require me post 8th grade science ?

if you cant understand that you wont understand anything i post..

funny part is without what i said nothing would exist the way it does..

as all aspects of moden life are based on it mate.

so if you wanna call my bluff take it up with all the peopl who work in computers and atomic energy and what ever ..

you seem to think just because im tryin to help you im sayin IM RIGHT!!! YOUR WRONG!!!

when im not.. im just pointing out the facts "and how the human race in fact works based on its understanding of reality"

sorry but if you want to blame someone blame instine or newton

not me.

and just to add "engery must be made of something"

its a BIG problem

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reply to post by sirnex

esoteric supernatural function of the universe is correct then

NO because we messure it!!!!

its the MOMENTOM OF ATOMS

we MEUSSURE IT

you cant see gravity can you? but we can mesure it?? THATS A FORCE is it not?

just because one can not see it or understand it as a physical thing does not mean its not factord in to a given calculation as its a "force" we can measure ...

The force you speak of AND I DID SAY YOU WAS RIGHT is MATTER interactiin with other bits of MATTER

but its FORCE is what we measure = ENGERY

get it?

we still do not know what is CREATING THE FORCE "interaction" with both matter and engery

That is why we have "theorys" of DARK MATTER "that do in fact show up in reality" and "DARK ENGERY"

there is something "we know this" but we can not FIND the physical "PARTICALS" that would say "a+b = c"



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reply to post by 13579

if you cant understand that you wont understand anything i post..

I think it's quiet obvious I haven't been able to understand anything you've posted due to you lack of English knowledge and ability to post coherent thoughts.

You've already explicitly said exactly what I've thought of energy. A function of matter. yet your still arguing whilst agreeing? WTF...