Wealthy, quiet, unassuming: the Christmas Day bomb suspect

Wealthy, quiet, unassuming: the Christmas Day bomb suspect

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With his wealth, privilege and education at one of Britain's leading universities, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab had the world at his feet – able to choose from a range of futures in which to make his mark on the world.

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Something just doesn't seem right here. We no longer need to just worry about overtly acting radical Muslims. Instead we now need to rethink our approach and policies regarding devout, practicing Muslims. I hate to say it but we need to increase our religious profiling of these suspected terrorists. The job just got a lot bigger today...

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Great, while we're at it, lets profile and monitor christians, because they're the original terrorists -- who originally started blowing up buildings -- like abortion clinics.

No

OP is right, you either fit the description and circumstances or you don't...

pc comments mean nothing, right Now, if any group of people will be carrying bombs on planes they will be Islamic, we ALL get watched now as it is because of nutters, but not profiling is stupid... the 72 yr old christian Lady is not a prime suspect, it's not racist or against a religion to profile if there is a much higher risk...

Sorry but if a Black guy just shot a woman on 33rd st for example, you don't stop all the white people and risk missing the culprit... it's not Racist if the murderer was witnessed was Black, it's a waste of resources and time to play these games...

I called in a threat... because at a Block party in Bklyn NY, I saw an RV pull up with a group of Islamic people pulled in and started shredding paper work... every one told me ...I was being biased no one but me would make the call...

They were descended on by cops 2 blocks away... and a few days later there was a News story about a Terrorist bomb being stopped from blowing on a Subway train...

Sooooooo pttttttttthhhhhh

They looked suspicious and they fit the bill...

And I saved allot of lives...

IF, I had been wrong, by all means I would have found it perfectly kay to profile and harass them based on suspicious behavior, worst that would come of it is a 2 hr ruination during a road trip...

But if you don't profile your wasting ma hrs in law enforcement and letting a nut job through potentially...

While they are busy checking MY SHOES, the jerk with nitro glycerin in his toothpaste might slip through, it's moronic...

and for the record...

I've been profiled and stopped before...at gun point, growing up....

and it's okay, if they are looking for someone who fits my description it's understandable, it doesn't bother me...

I cant help to wonder what it would be like to change it from muslim culprits to conspiracy theorist culprits in these events.

What utter nonsense! Once again a flood of details to paint a picture emerge within hours from disparate and myriad sources none of which acted upon them evidently except to file them away for convenient retrieval at a moments notice.

Let us not forget that the alleged bomber was reputed to be in a complete daze staring off into space.

Clearly he was drugged and one can only wonder by whom or by what.

A perfect little patsy and fall guy for such a political agenda as the one put fort in the Original Post that the worst thing in the world would be for people to fall for.

You really want to have a war between the 1.8 billion Muslims and the 1.3 billion Judean/Christians?

Not on my watch!

There is a difference between political correctness and racist thinking and religious xenophobia. It’s a slight difference as neither factor in the true human element and neither leaves room for common sense.

The mere fact that these matters are tried so quickly in the Court of Public Opinion presided over by the corporate media instead of Courts of Law presided over by the Rule of Law and the actual people should be reason enough for alarm and suspicion.

Such dangerous notions and conclusions ultimately only lead to one thing and that’s Armageddon.


[edit on 26/12/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

I have to agree with the OP 100%, this guy is LE's worst fear, the "normal", quiet, unassuming, and well-educated traveler. Nothing about him fit any "profile", he was certainly not a typical "radical", and he was able to craft a device that may even have passed one of our own airport screenings. He definitely made the Department of Homeland Security's job that much tougher. Thankfully, it's near-success will serve as a lesson and reminder about terrorists.

It is no different than sleeper cells in the US. Lying in wait, working daily jobs. Making a living. Doctors, Lawyers, Nurses, store owners etc. All the while learning our routines, our habits, our likes & dislikes, what we'll tolerate and what we won;t, what gets us angry and the limit in to which they can push us to.

Profiling? Yes. It works plain & simple.

Originally posted by mrsoul2009



Something just doesn't seem right here. We no longer need to just worry about overtly acting radical Muslims. Instead we now need to rethink our approach and policies regarding devout, practicing Muslims. I hate to say it but we need to increase our religious profiling of these suspected terrorists. The job just got a lot bigger today...

www.independent.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

Keep in mind that Bin Laden fit this profile. So did Lenin. It's a pretty typical situation that those who are from wealthy upbringings will radicalize. Many times is simply due to the existential malaise that accompanies having everything handed to you.

I'm puzzled about why religious profiling is such a taboo subject for the media and security services. If they're not doing it, then they're not doing their jobs properly.

If this is about offending people, well I get offended every day by stuff I hear in the news and media, and nobody gives a crap about what bothers me, because I'm not religious.

These repeated failed attacks are just getting easier and easier to predict. All this is obviously a way to step up security and get those body scanners cleared to be used in the terminals.

I've also heard the passengers who said he seemed like he wasn't even in pain with 3rd degree burns on his legs. And seemed unusally calm about everything. Strange times we are living in.....

IF, I had been wrong, by all means I would have found it perfectly kay to profile and harass them based on suspicious behavior, worst that would come of it is a 2 hr ruination during a road trip...

You sound like you really do not like those people. "harass them " is OK !!!!!

No it is not OK friend. It is not OK to pick on people just because of the way they look. People in the Middle East ALL look very much alike in terms of those typical Terrorist profiles and there is no heck of a way you will figure out if they are an Arab, Saudi, Jew, visiting Russian or European. These people COULD have the stereo typical profile of a Terrorist and you are willing to harass them?



[edit on 27-12-2009 by shakespear1]

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Profiling has nothing to do with harrassment. It's like a background check, like for example if you're going to work with kids you have a background check. I feel it's perfectly legitimate that if you're going to the US and want to work there, say for example in the army or defense agencies or anywhere which is strategically important, you should be checked out to make sure you're ok.

I know they already are doing this, but it's complaints about unfairness which prevented action on the fort hood shooter. If we didn't live in such a politically correct climate perhaps he would have been shown the door before he could do so much damage.

They way I see it, better to offend some people than have some people killed.

The US is good enough to even allow economic migrants into the country in the first place. Entry requires that you behave yourself. If a certain group has shown bad behaviour in the past, why is it so wrong to scrutinize that group a little more closely?

Again I cant stress this enough, lives are more important than hurt feelings. Even if some Muslims are made to feel unwelcome because of a few bad apples, well I think they should be taking that up with the bad apples rather than people just trying to protect their own country.

Some have advocated the use of profiling based on religion, occupation, education, and other social strata? However, I still see in the back of my mind a time when Joseph Stalin's NKVD did the same to citizens of the Soviet Union, and as a result, Gulags filled up across the country from Moscow to Siberia. Many of the occupants of said detainment camps were innocent and unjustly imprisoned and worked to death. Millions died from this act.

Then, I see Adolf Hitler and his Gestapo, profiling the Jews, Gypsies, Freemasons, and other groups as enemy of the state and terrorists. Many died in camps as well. Then not to mention what President Franklin Delano Roosevelt did to the Japanese Americans in WWII based solely on their ethnicity and cultural ties to a country we were at war with. They were imprisoned and lost all the property because they were unfortunately Japanese.

This whole concept of profiling is a slippery slope and should be used lightly by those in government and also looked upon by all Americans with caution. First, because it is against the rule of law and the Constitution. Plus, it is against the traditions and values we espouse to the world. Profiling is patently against everything this country stands for and should be used only in extreme cases. If law enforcement has suspicions of a would be terrorist, gather evidence and go to a Judge and get a search warrant to conduct an honest investigation of said suspect. If ample probable cause and legitimate evidence is shared with the proper legal authority, then by all means, investigate and apprehend.

People should have the right to conduct the business of their daily lives without undue harassment and duress by the authorities because of their religion, social standing, ethnicity, or cultural ties to a given country. This type of behavior was used by people who we fought against in the last century. Unfortunately, the same tactics and techniques used by our enemies then, are slowly being unleashed upon people in the US. I am all for domestic security,but not to the extent of sacrificing ideals and principles that protect people who are innocent bystanders, but are unfortunately the same religion or nationality of an enemy organization.

This student is nothing more than a delusional fanatic, but does that make all people of the religion and culture in which he is a member of just like him? The answer is, no! Why should they suffer because of what one person did on their own? That's why I say to the authorities need to follow the law and the bad apples will be weeded out with time. Giving police and other authorities increased power and surveillance tactics can have horrible consequences if not used lightly and only in extreme cases. History is a fine example of that.

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No i think you will find nutters run society and things like mi5, who torture innocent people.

The biggest monsters are the ones in the police and government running these programs to wreck anyones life they want. You just have to make it up today and the persons life is destroyed, and the government does this on purpose.

Profiling has nothing to do with harrassment. It's like a background check, like for example if you're going to work with kids you have a background check. I feel it's perfectly legitimate that if you're going to the US and want to work there, say for example in the army or defense agencies or anywhere which is strategically important, you should be checked out to make sure you're ok.

Your absolutely right. Your in an environment that by the bad guys is considered to be a potential target. But if average citizen now has the "mind set" to using this method in his awake Life than I think we have a problem. Life now sinks into a War mentality. If you think your in a war then I guess your fine living like this.

I have experienced this while in China once (what is this foreigner doing here look) and Communist Russia/Poland/Germany. Not a pleasant experience. That "wish you were out of there immediately" feeling is not a pleasant one. BUT YOU CAN'T Do ANYTHING, your trapped as your staying there for a while

PS: I once saw a documentary on the Gulags made by some Russian director. He interviewed a NKVD officer (now a guy in his 80's) who told him he saw now problem putting so many people in Siberian camps with nothing but shovels/axes. They were enemies of the State and if they wanted to live they had to do it themselves, build shelter etc. by themselves. Food was just enough to keep a bird alive. Hence only the strongest servived.

Some others regular citizens of that day working in a factory and also as open ears for KGB say this. "I was told to find X number of contra revolutionaries. I looked around and saw that Vania was already once interrogated, Sasha went in too, but Vladimir quite as a mouse was not. So, it was Vladimir's turn to be turned in. That was how we did it then. Everyone would eventually get something thrown at them as we had quotas. No quota I was in trouble !!!"

[edit on 27-12-2009 by shakespear1]

Everyone who is alive can create death and so should be a potential suspect. Remove all living persons and there will be no treath anymore it is that simple.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Dumbass]

Well, according to witness report he looked drugged and disconnected.

Mr Schuringa, who was due to connect in Detroit to a Miami flight for a Christmas holiday, said of the suspect: "He was shaking. He didn't resist anything. It's just hard to believe that he was trying to blow up this plane. He was in a trance. He was very afraid."

It looks MKULTRA-ish, although his father warned "US authorities" about some of his sons' "extreme views". But then again, how many people share their extremist views with their filthy rich, corrupt and almost-never-there fathers?

This smells like CIA staging so bad.

What really surprises me is that on Christmas day, Charlie Sheen who directly wants to Interview Obama on his view about this "War on Terror" is portrayed as a Wife Beater, with a hilarious portrait of him looking like a fool for the world to see across the media.

There goes his reputation for any genuine interview he could have had, tarnished by the NWO Media circus, co-incidentally at the same time this "bomber" (who has never actually blew anything up btw) was put on this plane for a false-flag event.

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I also find it Bizzare the US Authorities did not take the fathers warning seriously. Any information or warnings fromwho ever it is. Should be looked at, but they failed to do so.

That in itself brings up alarm bells in my mind.

Anything to impose, more restrictions on the law abiding citizen.