Disclosure Update: David Wilcock Finally Tells All!

After trying to view it from every possible angle, and incorporate it into logical and even illogical play, I can not, get past the Obama content and his supposed importance in this scenario.
Even after trying to plug in the concept of him needing to be introduced as an outside play maker politically, to break the hold on american illuminati agents, I still wont swallow the kool aid.
The Norway event wasnt a missle thats pretty certain, yet everything else just feels like cheap poorly made conjecture packaged with bright flashy speculative ribbons shoved on a shelf ready for a quick impluse purchase.
And yes, I read the entire brochure.
I'm calling poo poo.

Originally posted by expat2368
Wilcock is a total fraud. Absolutely, totally and completely beyond my comprehension how someone who is so obviously a weirdball can be believed by so many people.

Hello sir,

May I also remind of you of the other "weirdballs", as they are dubbed by their peers, throughout history?
-Jesus
-Gallileo
-Copernicus
-Ghandi

To name a few?

Not saying that I think Mr. Wilcock is the next messiah, or is even speaking the truth, but an open mind NEVER hurt anyone.

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
And yes, I read the entire brochure.
I'm calling poo poo.

Fair enough friend!

At least you have taken the time to read the entire article thoroughly, and have taken in the information with an open mind.

I respect your opinion, and as always, you have valid points.

I'm just curious as to why everyone is relying on their goverments to tell the truth regarding Extraterrestrials, when anyone whose been at this site long enough to understand how goverments work *knows* full well how dishonest and deceitful they are.

Yet we are all here talking about when the powers that be will confess and tell the truth - we've already had disclosure haven't we?, in the main stream media with the likes of the pope saying to his Catholic followers and the world that, "its ok to believe in Extraterrestrials" and various goverments around the world releasing supposedly all the info on the UFO phenomena.

Surely disclosure is something we must decide for ourselves on a spiritual level? as to whether or not we *accept* (by that i don't mean blind fanatical belief) that life from elsewhere is visiting our planet.

It makes me wonder if Mr. Wilcock makes a living of off desperate people desperately searching for the truth when maybe the only thing people need to do is to look within themselves and find their own answers.

SOME INTERESTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

There was, apart from the spiral, some other UFO activity going on during the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony.

Consider these two MUFON reports submitted by Norwegians
and also take take look at the Youtube video they refer to:

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4AvAMg_7Bo
Watch this film on youtube, what you see there has been going on for several months outside my house about 3-5 miles from where i live, i have filled reports to the norwegian ufo community, but they don't seem to take it serious, i'm a former private pilot so know most of the lights in the sky, theese lights are NOT from a normal known aircraft, i don't have video camera, and don't need it, the UFO or what we should call it shows up several times in a week, one night they hang in the skies for more than 3 hours, to me it looks like theese objects are "talking" to each other, if you are an expert on ufo's please feel free to contact me on mailadress [email protected] , because i would like to know more about theese light, at my place they allways shows up one and one, in 30 minutes they are making triangles and other shapes in the air, the altitude of theese objects is different, and sometimes they are very close to our property, i live out on the country, and have nearly 100 % free view 360 degrees up in the sky, my wife said i was stupid until she saw the show one evening, theese objects don't make any sound at all, and are changing colors in different speeds and patterns
i live about 50 miles from Oslo, i know more people around norway, have sen the same thing.
Hope to get contact with people who knows something about thees lights
Best Regards Torben Norway"

And this one:

"Obama got hes peace prize and was greeting people from the balcony at grand hotel in Oslo 18.55. the lights was very clear and bright and were to be seen
for over an hour in total to my knowledge. long before and after hes appearance.
interresting sighting and timing.
check my youtube video out:
www.youtube.com..."





I noticed that the UFOs in the video look very similar to the ones filmed by Brad Drenning in Arizona in 2008:





Evidently, there were quite a few significant UFO sightings around the time of the ceremony, both in Russia (the 'Pyramid') and in Norway. I'm not a UFO specialist, though. I only started reading about them when I saw two
UFOs myself, about two months ago, over Amsterdam (I'm Dutch). I have to admit, that up to that time I wasn't even aware that it was a 'current' and ongoing phenomenon. I have managed to read up on the subject pretty fast though. I wonder what you guys make of all this...

As far as 'disclosure' is concerned: I'm definitely not holding my breath
and I don't think it's very healthy to become too emotional about the subject.

I also have another tip, that might interest some of you:

Jeff Ritzmann and Jeremy Vaeni from Paratopia (paratopia.podbean.com...)
have recently conducted some very interesting interviews with crop-circle investigators (the November 27 and December 17 podcasts): f.e. Colin Andrews revealed new details about the 'Blonde Aliens' sighting by a policeman and the strange things that happened to the policeman after this mysterious encounter...




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Why would these so called black opp's people even speak to David ? He is so not the black opp's type .

I can't imagine anyone being surprised at his predictions falling through . Even George from Coast to Coast didn't by his story when David was on coast last and lets remember George buys into everything .

David will not now or ever receive any relevant info regarding anything and if anyone thinks that the truth will come from this guy they are sadly mistaken and clouding there thoughts with nothing more then wishful thinking .

People like David who are full of these grand claims that always seem to fall through are nothing more then con's and its sad that they continue to receive a forum to promote there lies . They do more to make all that look at these topics in a serious manor as fools .

He isn't making a single cent off this work

In same youtube link i posted possibly the part previous, he talks about how he was on a TV show on the Sci Fi channel.(you can possibly think he is doing this for free)

Also on the same video he says " he is about to sign with Penguin Publishing to write a book"(For free again)

Same video again, he says he doesnt work and thanks to the people supporting him.

His website says hes creating a movie(or has) which apparently "unveils the proof that all life on Earth is united in a field of consciousness"(i would like to see the proof)


As for me thinking he likes the information overload. here is an example from his website

We now have irrefutable scientific proof that the mainstream media's explanation for the Norway Spiral cannot be correct -- as you will soon see. And that raises many more questions. If the visual sight of this Spiral wasn't interesting enough, the context certainly was -- it showed up the day before Obama was set to receive his Nobel Peace Prize in the very same country. Also, on that very same day, December 9, 2009, hundreds of eyewitnesses reported -- and two of them filmed -- a gigantic, triangular pyramid-shaped UFO that hovered over the Kremlin in Russia for hours -- from daylight on into darkness. Coincidence? Once you review all the evidence, you will see how compelling this case really is -- and how these 'islands' really do connect below the surface. The Norway Spiral is only the most recent indication that an incredible, seemingly-impossible moment in human civilization and consciousness may actually be about to happen -- the open, formal announcement that we are not alone in the Universe.

These quotes from him go on and on for another 5 more pages with no proof given, or no attempt to even explain what he is trying to talk about. Using the above quote, there have been multiple threads on ATS with people adding there 2 cents to the whole Norway thing and many of them are very in depth with people trying to debunk or explain the Norway thing. But yet Wilcock does none of these things and wants his readers to assume he is correct and he doesn't need to clarify or provide any evidence of his theories...

Anyway, thats my 2 cents on the guy. Take him with a grain of salt IMO...

Originally posted by survivor
I'm just curious as to why everyone is relying on their goverments to tell the truth regarding Extraterrestrials, when anyone whose been at this site long enough to understand how goverments work *knows* full well how dishonest and deceitful they are.

You are so correct and thats why I believe that " disclosure " will be nothing short of the biggest lie ever told to mankind .

And one thing is for sure David will not be the poster boy for anything .

Of course he wrote another book, and than another, and another. I mean is there no shame in this guy to milk people dry that have hopes of seeing aliens and ufos land. At what point does it become criminal, thats really what I want to know, isn't it all just borderline scams and such. Come on David, give the people who want to believe a break, it's no diffrent than the preachers on t.v with their hands out, selling everything about the return of Jesus, just feeding into their believes, it's wrong, and what David is doing is no diffrent.

Read the ebook, it's free. If you don't have time, don't expect to find answers here. Everyone's bickering.

His books highly informative, and yes, we have missed many dates - ISN'T IT OBVIOUS?

I read his book, still not convinced of any disclosure soon based on his info. BUT, because of other things a-happenin', I'm keeping an open mind - really. I'll be the judge of what I believe or not - and I will be my own best skeptic and truth sayer. I wont have it any other way. Read if you have time.

Why do people still watch this fake? I don't see any ufos flying over my house do you?

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I don't know what to think anymore. My daughter just saw 2 UFO talking to each other just as you've posted. She's just six years old and she doesn't really know what UFO means. She said after talking or interacting, they danced around like in a bee pattern and then joined in a flash of light in front of her. I asked her if it were fire works maybe, but she said she knows what fire works look like.

Like I said, I just don't know anymore. Uh, she said they melded into an oval light.

Originally posted by alyosha1981
I quit reading after the 12 paragraphs comparing us to kids on a school playground.

i'm not going to read a word of it, i'll wait for true disclosure...did they use the phrase "wake up" or "wake up america"??...as soon as i see that attached to anything, i tune out. plus, alot of us ATS'ers are pretty jaded, cynical, or just plain critical thinking people, and a BIG YAWN is all we can muster.

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Originally posted by r3dman

He isn't making a single cent off this work

In same youtube link i posted possibly the part previous, he talks about how he was on a TV show on the Sci Fi channel.(you can possibly think he is doing this for free)

As for me thinking he likes the information overload. here is an example from his website

We now have irrefutable scientific proof that the mainstream media's explanation for the Norway Spiral cannot be correct -- as you will soon see. And that raises many more questions. If the visual sight of this Spiral wasn't interesting enough, the context certainly was -- it showed up the day before Obama was set to receive his Nobel Peace Prize in the very same country. Also, on that very same day, December 9, 2009, hundreds of eyewitnesses reported -- and two of them filmed -- a gigantic, triangular pyramid-shaped UFO that hovered over the Kremlin in Russia for hours -- from daylight on into darkness. Coincidence? Once you review all the evidence, you will see how compelling this case really is -- and how these 'islands' really do connect below the surface. The Norway Spiral is only the most recent indication that an incredible, seemingly-impossible moment in human civilization and consciousness may actually be about to happen -- the open, formal announcement that we are not alone in the Universe.

These quotes from him go on and on for another 5 more pages with no proof given, or no attempt to even explain what he is trying to talk about. Using the above quote, there have been multiple threads on ATS with people adding there 2 cents to the whole Norway thing and many of them are very in depth with people trying to debunk or explain the Norway thing. But yet Wilcock does none of these things and wants his readers to assume he is correct and he doesn't need to clarify or provide any evidence of his theories...

Anyway, thats my 2 cents on the guy. Take him with a grain of salt IMO...

First, the fact of the matter is he is not making a cent off THIS work. This is free, and if there was anything he could have made a ton of money off of, this was it.

Secondly, Have you even read the article!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
He explains the norway spiral, using scientific proof and evidence, on the 2ND PAGE!!!!!! He provides evidence, and clarifies his whole belief behind what the norway spiral and moscow pyramid were.

Even if it was located just past the mountain in the photograph, roughly six miles away, the velocity of the spiral would have to be at least 710 miles per hour -- which is over twice as fast as the world-record wind speed, from directly inside a tornado.

If the Spiral was caused by a missile from the White Sea, as the conventional explanation insists -- a location which is fully 100 times farther away -- it would have to be rotating at more than twenty miles per second!

The speed of sound is clocked at 761.2 miles per hour.

Anything over the speed of sound would have caused tremendous sonic booms -- but the Spiral was completely silent.

If your going to pretend that you have read the article, and know what it is about, fine. But don't start spreading misinformation; this is how misunderstanding and conflicts arise.

And...

It's utterly laughable to think a missile could have done this. The ionosphere is not thick enough -- not viscous enough -- to hold a spiral of exhaust this cleanly and tightly together, composed of geometrically-perfect circles, with at least 18 concentric layers hanging there in the air for 10-15 minutes.

We already know the spiral is rotating much too fast, at either potential distance, for even one layer to have been caused by missile exhaust -- thanks to Arash Amini's research paper.

And we still have to explain how the blue 'corkscrew' beam also hung there, perfectly, for 10-15 minutes, as we said before.

If your going to discredit Mr. Wilcock, at least take the time to read through the article and debunk what he actually says, instead of pretending to have read the entire article and then spreading misinformation about what it actually talks about.

Misinformation leads to misunderstandings, conflicts, and disinformation.

Originally posted by Monts

-David Wilcock’s original disclosure date was not supposed to have been leaked on the internet. If you remember, it was not him who originally released the information, but two members of Project Camelot who did so. He was planning on not revealing it for fear that doing so would result in a failure of the event, which is exactly what happened.

This is purely wrong. I, and alot of other ATS listeners heard him reveal it LIVE on C2C. If he was planning not to reveal it, then this was a great opportunity NOT TO DO SO.

David is damaged goods. Nothing to see here, even after reading all of that rant, it just stinks of sensationalized hype to support his paranormal money machine that is losing lots of funding. Especially in this field, you are only as good as the last thing you did right. Too bad, he had alot of us going for a while.

Sorry Monts but Wilcock has had his chance.

At first I liked what the guy had to say since it was mostly all positive and filled with hope. We all need hope these days. This was in stark contrast to the Project Camelot duo's doom and gloom weekly proclamations which have gotten very tired and old as of late. Examples being the Martial Law saber rattling they chose to tout off about in regards to the Economic world wide depression that still hasn't happened or the Influenza pandemic that has turned out to be just another seasonal flu wave that has brought none of the lock down actions that were claimed by them to follow. Granted these things did not come directly from him but did come from his chummy Project Camelot colleagues.

We all know that Wilcock supports Obama. Is Obama being attacked by criticism right now? Hell yes he is just like every other president before him was. I remember when Clinton could do no right in the eyes of Gordon Liddy who was a paid spin doctor. I also remember when Bush (rightfully so) would get the same flack from internet bloggers etc.

Whether you want to face this fact or not, Obama has done nothing but maintain the status quo of the horrors that Bush/Neocons et al. established during their reign of terror upon this planet.

When Obama starts making steps towards peace and not actually escalating troop numbers to that area of the world that got the US there on a pack of lies and deception than perhaps some more people here might buy into your theory that there's a conspiracy to unite people against him. His actions are doing that well enough and need no outside help as you claim are happening.

The fact that Wilcock used that dumb hunk of meat who goes by the name of Peterson (You know, the one who claimed to have made a UFO detector at age 13) as a inside source tells me that he has either lost his ability to do constructive research or is only perpetuating his UFOitis.

UFOitis is the term that John Leer coined that describes a whistle blower who has run out of original material and must now embrace all new acorns that fall out of the tree as if it were his own in order to perpetuate his position within his community as top dog.

And judging by that very posh residence that he has taken up in Santa Monica CA, bought and paid for by the poor well wishing fools who have bought into his pie in the sky claims, he will need a daily infusion of UFOitis for the rest of his life as those places aren't cheap to rent or buy.

I'll admit that some of the things and ideas that he borrowed from Richard Hoagland (who has since distanced himself from Wilcock) and then spun with his own New Age fantasies are interesting to contemplate but give us a break man.

If Wilcock wants to "Tell Us All" then he needs to climb down from his Santa Monica cloud and do it himself that way he can face the music.

Quit being his tool.

Let him face some healthy criticism for a change. He's a big boy now playing big boy games.

Come on Wilcock, unlike doing a one sided dictatorial lecture where the audience must sit passively by and clap for your clap trap, get your courage up and talk the talk amongst the public (like the Above Top Secret crowd) who can talk back to you... That would impress me a hell of a lot more than your "Tell All" e-book file could ever do...

I dare you.

Dear God in heaven!

I gave up on ATS for a while. It seemed that there was no discussion going on here. It was all about attack every post as soon as you read it no matter what the subject matter.

Now every post ends up being a platform for President Obama whether it is pro or con.

It is time for me to go back to the other sites and leave ATS again. At least the other sites don't pretend to be about "Denying Ignorance".

It only took two replies before this post went from David Wilcock to President Obama.

ATS needs to change it's mission statement because there is a lot of ignorance going on around these boards.

Originally posted by SpiritoftheNightSky

It only took two replies before this post went from David Wilcock to President Obama.

ATS needs to change it's mission statement because there is a lot of ignorance going on around these boards.

The original poster chose to include Obama attacks in his opening statement. I don't think you even read the first post of this thread due to this rant here. Otherwise you'd know that this is why some other members here have chosen to single out that facet of this thread among others to debate upon.

Please go back to page one and re-read carefully..

Thank you and have a nice day!







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Originally posted by SpiritoftheNightSky

Dear God in heaven!

I gave up on ATS for a while. It seemed that there was no discussion going on here. It was all about attack every post as soon as you read it no matter what the subject matter.

Now every post ends up being a platform for President Obama whether it is pro or con.

It is time for me to go back to the other sites and leave ATS again. At least the other sites don't pretend to be about "Denying Ignorance".

It only took two replies before this post went from David Wilcock to President Obama.

ATS needs to change it's mission statement because there is a lot of ignorance going on around these boards.

I don't think that anyone here is attacking Obama. David Wilcock is the one promoting him. He was a staunch supporter of Obama before he even became POTUS. Which destroys his credibility by supporting a political figure (IMO). David has a lot of influence on the people who listen and believe in him, so if he swings toward a political figure then he may swing others with him who hang on to his words like a child who listens to a parent who tells them a fascinating story before bed. Keep in mind this guy has been studying hypnosis and NLP for years. He tells really good stories. Dr. Milton H. Erickson use to tell stories to his clients to bring them under hypnosis. He tapped into the unconscious mind like turning on a water faucet. Be careful of how open you let your mind become, someone will try to fill it with crap.

"-David Wilcock’s original disclosure date was not supposed to have been leaked on the internet. If you remember, it was not him who originally released the information, but two members of Project Camelot who did so. He was planning on not revealing it for fear that doing so would result in a failure of the event, which is exactly what happened."

Just a thought but did wilcock himself not mention the date of disclosure on c2c? seems like damage control to me. if he feared that revealing this info would compromise disclosure then why did he tell ANYONE? could he not trust the people he confided this information in? if they let him down by revealing the information what has he done to ensure that it will not happen again? has he distanced himself from the organization that let it slip? if not, then how serious is he about disclosure? i have a hard time with buying into the idea that wilcock has so much pull that by letting the disclosure date out of the bag that he alone derailed one of the most important events of modern history.

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