Global Warmin schwarming

I live in a fly over state and we are currently experiencing the worst snowfall/blizzard in more than ten years, Oklahoma to be exact.

I do have to say its quite beautiful, but I do fear for those traversing the roads and those losing power.

When are the sheople going to wake up. I understand 75% of people still believe in the warming hoax. Tsk Tsk.

There have been some really great ATS threads recently siting cold climate conditions all over the world. Search them here at ATS, they are very informative.

Just thought I would add my two cents.

Edited to add: www.newsok.com...



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I have the pictures, but am clueless as how to post them. Help please!

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When are the sheople going to wake up. I understand 75% of people still believe in the warming hoax. Tsk Tsk.

I am eating my christmas dinner right now. It is a big family time and I am dedicated to this family christmas thing... buttttt. you are ignorant. Not in a bad way, I know you mean no harm.

The fact is.. When you see snow, it is the result of heat energy. The more heat, the more snow. It takes large amounts of heat energy to get the moisture up into the air. When you see record snow falls, you are seeing record heat.

I know it is hard to understand , but trust me. Look on google for weather 101 and it will explain it a whole lot further than I. I can not explain because I am eating my christmas dinner right now , I hope you understand..

Regards,,, wiredamerican.

Remember it is not called Global Warming; it is called Climate Change. When the warming stopped, the title changed.


It will be called Climate Change until that title itself is contradictory.

Maybe Climate Stagnation will be next.

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The fact is.. When you see snow, it is the result of heat energy. The more heat, the more snow. It takes large amounts of heat energy to get the moisture up into the air. When you see record snow falls, you are seeing record heat.

So Glaciers and Ice Caps should be getting bigger with small amounts of warming?

I am not disputing your point. Precipitation and heat are connected, as you said. I am just posing an obvious question to those with the commonly held opinion that our ice caps are shrinking catastrophically.

"Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap during some of the summer months will be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years."
-Al Gore (super awesome, the end)

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You see, most people forget that something called "global warming" is supposed to be global, meaning that it's not related to just a relatively small area but to the whole planet, so the fact that it's colder on some areas of the north hemisphere does not mean that the whole Earth temperature is lower than usual.

It's also about average temperatures, so having cold weather for some days does not mean that the average temperature is lower than normal.

After this year ends, try to look for meteorological data and see what happened to the average minimum, average and maximum temperatures for where you live, then you can tell if there is a warming or not.

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no he is not ignorant, lol.

What we are seeing now is the sun cycle being low, and for the last two years like that.

The sun controls weather on earth and has little to do with man(harrp has a job).

Natural winters, are what is happening now. Then the gw crowd even try to create that into some sort of heating by man fiasco, lol

Originally posted by ArMaP

After this year ends, try to look for meteorological data and see what happened to the average minimum, average and maximum temperatures for where you live, then you can tell if there is a warming or not.

And after 10 years of no recorded warming, will there be a chance we can end this Global Warming nonsense talk? Because there has been no Global Warming since 1998.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

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Probably, I don't see any problem with that.

But it would help if that article would point us to the real data, instead of only saying that the data exists and shows that. Do you have any other source for that? Thanks in advance.

Warmer oceans: warm air rises and displaces the colder air above-that air then descends over the land masses causing weather havoc, and at least initial colder periods (again on land).

This is the point made earlier in the thread. Come on Dinstaar, I've seen your other arguments and disingenuous appeals to logical fallacies are beneath you. It is obvious the glaciers/ice caps are not related to that statement.

The ice caps which have shown an actual decline in refreezes of 44,000m2 is showing a very real effect of warming. Notice: The observation is in the refreeze pattern. There are many photos of how drastic the melts in the arctic and antarctic have been, but the real test is how much recovers during their cold seasons. Each year: 44,000 square miles less.

This will obviously take longer than Gore indicated, but then he was just looking at the summer melts and either intentionally or accidentally (no real way to know aside from conjecture, which does no good) left out the refreeze process. The man is a politician and a spokesman. His statements do not reflect the validity of the science. He is just another guy trying to get attention to it.

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Stupid grammar and typos.

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The idea is that the overall trend will be an increase in temperatures. It is not that a specific day WILL be hotter than the same day the year before...

And after 10 years of no recorded warming, will there be a chance we can end this Global Warming nonsense talk? Because there has been no Global Warming since 1998.

Almost all of the last 12 years have been some of the hottest ever recorded. 1998, was just the hottest though. Again try to look at the overall trend.

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So if heating is causing all of this snow that shouldn't be in my yard, and I remember all of the snow we enjoyed as a kid 30 years ago, we should have been getting warmer then too...which means we got cooler because there were years we went for a while and had no snow. So now we are getting warmer and causing more snow...which means the world got warmer then cooler then warmer now...so to have the ice age, it got really hot...right? And for it to end, it got really cold....waite, some how... that sounds just as rediculous. Nope, I checked...it's getting cooler. Snow's still there.
Climate change means the climate is always changing. Always has and always will...just ask old T-Rex and Cromagnon man.

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Almost all of the last 12 years have been some of the hottest ever recorded. 1998, was just the hottest though. Again try to look at the overall trend.

I did, and it is DOWN. The trend is DOWN.

Mr "hide the decline" had an input to the data (Hadley/CRU) but the data is here: www.metoffice.gov.uk...

I know where I live it is getting cooler each summer.

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Well it depends where you start. If it starts at 1998 and you smooth the values appropriately, then yes the temperature does appear to be going down. Exclude 1998 and the temperatures are going up as it could be considered an odd year out. It really depends on how one interprets the results (or bends them). Here in Australia it keeps getting dryer and dryer. We've had killer summers recently, although thankfully here it's been a relatively cool summer (so far).



I really don't know how anyone could consider that an overall negative trend in temperatures.


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