World War II, why is it so important?

I would like to mention 'uncle Joe' (Stalin) as the Americans called him, I have read estimates that he had 20,000,000 Kulaks murdered, before WW2, a 'Kulak' being anyone who owned more than an acre of land and one cow, especialy having specialised troops hunt down the stocks of hidden food, in the winter, so that the Kulaks froze and starved to death, Pol Pot estimated to have murdered 1,000,000 of his own people, The Hutu massacres, the list is endless, WW 2 was, I think, supposed to put a stop to that, through the UN, fat chance, its just a toothless group of talking heads.

WWII was not the beginning of Man's Inhumanity to Man. We've had a lot of inhumanity down through the years
Actually for the title of Most People Killed, WWII didn't kill as many as abortion since Roe Vs Wade. What is really intriguing is that the people behind roe vs wade were the same people that brought Hitler to power and backed him. In fact the Eugenics movement dropped the name eugenics because of the disrepute from WWII and became Planned Parenthood.
The WWII conflict was not for the purpose of killing Jews per se, because it was the start of something bigger. They only picked on the Jews because they were available in Germany at that time.
We see so many similarities to Nazi Germany and the military/police state that our leadership seems to be pushing us toward.
The real purpose for WWII was to get us totally involved in the War Effort to get our government so deep in debt to the bankers, who were these monsters supporting Hitler, so that they could take us over and go on to global conquest, which is what they're after now with this "endless" war in Iraq and Afghanistan and expanding into Pakistan and with threats toward Iran. The purpose of these wars, besides the immediate benefit of conquest and financial domination to said bankers, is to weaken the United States so that we give up our freedoms and allow them to transform us into a tool of war for them. They already have control of our military and weapons of mass destruction, not just nukes, but HAARP and chemical and biological weapons. They are totally controlling the federal government and pushing our legislators into taxing us for Healthcare and Cap&Trade. Obama is their puppet and they are out to destroy America, at least an America that you would want to live in. Poor people tend to go into the military even now. The poorer we get the bigger their army gets. The federal government is also growing at a fantastic rate, hiring spys and data control people. Our police are spending huge amounts money on anti-riot gear and the Fema Camps are hiring National Guards to man them. Keep in mind that these same crooks totally control our news media so the only news you've gotten these last twenty years has been what they wanted you to hear. And they control our schools and are pushing our children into being more receptive to socialism/fascism/whatever.

The fact is that WWII is the most important thing that has happened in the last hundred fifty years because it is still going on, still affecting us and we need to learn about it in order to cope with this threat

Before you and the trolls say "You are so crazy," this is not way out there, this is real and it is happening and it has been happening since WWII except that we were blissfully unaware of it. Why do you think so many people died after the JFK assassination. This is a big machine, it is much much bigger now. The internet is getting some people aware of it, so they want to create a national crisis so they can use their "police" to lock people down totally. Have you read the Iron Mt. report?

We as a country are in BIG TROUBLE. This is a Constitutional Crisis. We MUST stand up for freedom now while we are still able. Have you read about Codex Alimentarius. That was also Nazi.

Get to work. Start researching. Google Nazis in corporate America. Research the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Bank of England, the FED.

Originally posted by purplemonkey
It’s so funny hearing about all these gruesome and horrific stories about the Nazi’s. I wonder why that is, it would be because they were our enemies and we had to dehumanise them, just like we are dehumanising the Arabs we are fighting today, it makes it easier to kill and hate.

BTW the Nazis weren't interesting in world domination; they only wanted Germany for the Germans and to restore the country to its former glory.

People have really fallen hook line and sinker for this evil Nazi story.

The Nazis really were evil, it was no story. As for the Arabs, there are a lot of bad things you could say about them and a lot of bad things they could say about you. Why were the Nazis so evil? Read Tolkien. It was demonic.
However, the German people fell hook line and sinker, except of course for the ones who died resisting fascism, for the German Superior Race platform, just as we have fallen hook line and sinker for the NWO's fake 911.

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After seeing how history can be written down wrong during the last 8 years of war, I am not even sure WW2 happened. Hitler may have never even existed.

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Dear earthdude

From earthdude “After seeing how history can be written down wrong during the last 8 years of war, I am not even sure WW2 happened. Hitler may have never even existed.”

If there was ever a reason for keeping people aware of WW2 this statement above is that reason. From reading what the young of this thread are saying I think they should be given a lot more lesions about this period while at school.

For sure if we forget it will happen again.

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Dear Doc Velocity

From Doc Velocity “Interestingly, Hitler admired the British and considered them highly evolved. They were, after all, the descendants of Vikings. This did not stop Hitler from bombing the insane hell out of Britain, but it did stop him from invading Britain... He could have TAKEN Britain and Ireland as easily as he had taken France, if he wanted to..”

Sorry that is not really the case in late 1940 Hitler had failed to gain Air Superiority after the battle of Briton. The plan was all there and ready to go but Gering let him down. Just a twenty mile stretch of water saved the UK from German rule at that time combined with the Royal Air Force.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
He could have TAKEN Britain and Ireland as easily as he had taken France, if he wanted to.

Good post, but you're wrong on Hitler taking England. The Channel isn't very big, but he didn't have the amphib capability that the Allies had in 1944. Operation Sealion would have failed.

Everyone should be aware of Benjamin Freedman's speech.
It concerns World War II, but he gives a little insider background. When someone speaks the truth about the past, it is always relevant to the future. In other words, if he is truthful about the past, he will be right about the future.

You can find other links with audio.
www.sweetliberty.org...

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Dear jerico65

From jerico65 “Originally posted by Doc Velocity
He could have TAKEN Britain and Ireland as easily as he had taken France, if he wanted to.



Good post, but you're wrong on Hitler taking England. The Channel isn't very big, but he didn't have the amphib capability that the Allies had in 1944. Operation Sealion would have failed.”

The fact is that after the defeat at Dunkirk the previous spring the British had so little left that an invasion by the Germans may well have worked in the autumn of 1944. The only problem was the failure of Gering to fee the sky of Spitfires and Hurricanes.

This threat the Germans totally over estimated. It was only the effectiveness of the Radar cover that made the Germans think that the British had far more aircraft than they did. The fact also is they had the aircraft but not the experienced pilots to fly them. New recruits where going into battle with 12hr, in that type of aircraft and being shot to pieces. One wing commander was flying with two tin legs. That is how bad the British where doing at that time.

So if Hitler had pushed on most likely all of Europe would now be speaking German.

If not the world.

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The great political and military leaders of Nazi Germany could be described as evil. Just as the leaders of allied forces could be called evil for many decisions they made.Dresden and forced labor camps are not exactly shining examples of morality. But the soldiers for all countries involved were simple soldiers fighting for their country or more often than not the people standing next to him. I think it's wrong and unfair to label the german soldiers evil nazi's.

However, the German people fell hook line and sinker, except of course for the ones who died resisting fascism,

Good to mention this. Check out this film

White Rose

Everything was done within the Law, the law in those days in Germany. As we know Attitudes change with time, and then suddenly people start to say "Oh how could they be so easily misled". Well the simple fact is, It Is Easy.

Same in Soviet Russia. Courts, Law, public trials. Same in the US with the Japanese interned in camps during WWII. See the pattern. No one is clean here.

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lol yeah they were reclaiming prussian soil

the prussians and the austrians ( i think) and the russians have invaded and divided poland between the three of them at least twice before ww2 ... it was originaly polish untill the three countries ganged up and stole it twice... poland only became poland again after ww1 ... and in a matter of years had the same thing happen to it ONCE AGAIN when russia and germany ganged up and attacked them (germany without even declaring war)

I remember reading about a notable representative for american jews who fled during the war who came to poland demanding compensation for the deaths of the jews in concentration camps in poland... im glad to say he was laughed out of the country and given the finger so to say.

~TR

Regarding Hitler's ability and intent to invade England, I wrote that Hitler could have invaded and conquered England if he wanted to do so; however, Hitler had a fairly high opinion of the Brits as fellow Aryans, which certainly influenced Hitler's decision not to invade England.

Originally posted by MAC269
Sorry that is not really the case

If you take the trouble to read Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's account of his life and philosophy, you would see that Hitler intended to ally with England as well as with Italy. It was not Hitler's intent to conquer or destroy England, but to form an alliance that would serve as a strategic Western barrier against assault from the Atlantic.

In bombing the hell out of England, Hitler was trying to coerce them into an alliance, because he did believe England would be a much stronger military ally than it actually was.

— Doc Velocity






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Originally posted by MAC269
The fact is that after the defeat at Dunkirk the previous spring the British had so little left that an invasion by the Germans may well have worked...

The fact is, Adolf Hitler could have captured or massacred the entire British army at Dunkirk, but instead he ordered his generals to HALT.

Regarding the Halt Order, the Nazi General von Blumentritt is quoted:

"He (Hitler) then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the British Empire, of the necessity for its existence, and of the civilization that Britain had brought into the world. He remarked, with a shrug of the shoulders, that the creation of its Empire had been achieved by means that were often harsh, but where there is planing, there are shavings flying...

"He compared the British Empire with the Catholic Church saying they were both essential elements of stability in the world... and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if she should be involved in difficulties anywhere..."

The British military historian Basil Liddel Hart remarked in his 1948 book The Other Side of the Hill:

"Hitler did not want to conquer England... He was preparing, instead, to invade Russia"


!!!!


— Doc Velocity







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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Regarding Hitler's ability and intent to invade England, I wrote that Hitler could have invaded and conquered England if he wanted to do so;

He did want to do so - look up Operation Sealion. however, for that to succeed he had to win air superiority over Britian. He could not do that, and thus Sealion was cancelled

Originally posted by dereks
He did want to do so - look up Operation Sealion. however, for that to succeed he had to win air superiority over Britian. He could not do that, and thus Sealion was cancelled

Because he very much respected the English as fellow Aryans and desired them as allies, Hitler was always reluctant to invade or even engage in battle with Britain; plus, he hated naval warfare, which is why Operation Sealion was always a tentative plan that was never fully implemented and was completely abandoned in 1940, before WWII began in earnest.

— Doc Velocity

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TOTALLY agree. The Jeep, that we still have today, came out of WW2. Rocket propulsion. If you're a theist one could say the largest event since the birth on Christ.

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Gotta disagree with you on this one. Yeah, Germany needed to take Britain. That would have put the Allies at a serious logistics disadvantage. It's hard to fight a war with without a close port.

The Battle of Britain. Hitler overestimated the power of the Luftwaffe. This is where "air warfare" came to the fore. The RAF were just better. Without air support, the Bosch couldn't cross the Channel.

Later, the V1 and V2 rockets when things weren't looking good? Hitler wanted Britain. He just couldn't get it.

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Dear Doc Velocity

As you say I am sure that Hitler admired the British, however operation Sealion was very real. So despite his admiration he knew in late 1940 that to win the war in Europe he had to beat the English and occupy the country.

If he had done so the war in Europe would have been won by the Germans two years before the USA even got into the war.

If this had been the case nuclear war would have been in the early 1950’s

I don't know how old you are, but it is truly a shame that the educational system, nor even satellite TV has not educated you on the absolute significance of WWII.
Absolute tyrranny, dictatorship, authoritarian powers with a deathwish for the world threatened not just some group or race, but the entire world. You may question the intent of the US government, or some other govt. but there is no debating the intent of the Nazis or the Japanese.
When entire towns were literally wiped from the face of the earth, millions of Jews were killed, millions more with various faiths... including Christians, Gays, Gypsys, political foes, even people that just happened to be in the wrong place...all killed. Brutally, with no justification. That was a fate that would have befallen the entire world. Look up the "Rape of Nanking" and it was literal as well as figurative, look at the hours of real, authentic footage of the death camps, talk to veterans, listen to them as they cry detailing there walk into the deathchambers and seeing dead stacked like firewood.
We and our Allies were fighting evil... by every description. Hitler was mere months away from having nuclear weapons and the delivery vehicles to destroy Paris, Rome, Moscow, London, and New York. With just a few breaks in their favor, the California Coast could have fallen to Japan by the end of 1942. Or the Germans could still be holding Europe.
People that deny the Holocaust are iggnorant by choice. I've seen their tatooed numbers on their forearms. I've seen the effects of frostbite 20 years after the fact on my uncles feet from the Bulge. I've seen the distant look in another uncles eyes, as he hits the ground when a car backfires while traveling down a snowy road. No, it was real and make no mistake... thank God or whoever you worship that we won that war.
Technologicaly, we developed radar, Spam, light machine guns, medical advancements, the Jeep, the PowerWagon4x4, sloped armour on tanks, jet engines, long range flight, rockets, refined submarines, the forerunner of the VW thing, the interstate system, aircraft carriers and naval warfare, food storage and distribution, radios, AK-47 forerunner, space exploration, and on it goes...including PBJs.
Politically, it defined politics and policies and continues to do so...the rebirth of Israel as a nation. The Cold War, the Iron Curtain, the domination of the US in the Pacific, the space programNASA, the decline of the English Empire, the rise of Communist China, NATO and the western policies toward the East, so on
Socially and culturally, it saw women emerge in the work force, mass industrial production and assembly lines, an educated workforce, GI Bill and the emergence of a solid middle class, and the resulting demand in consumer goods like refridgerators and cars. The coming mobility of veteran's children in the 50s with cars and the drive-in. The spread of blues music to England which influenced young musicians like Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, and Paul McCartney. The rise of a black populace that stayed in England to avoid US segregation and eventually impacted Jimmy Hendricks.
Simply put, WWII continues to have so many influences on our lives, and will well into the 21st century.