Fueling Ships with water from the moon discovered 15 years ago.

I just watched this Video on TED www.ted.com...

I found it fairly interesting then when it hit about the 13min the presenter "Bill Stone" talks about a Pentagon Mission to the moon called Clementine. I did a quick search on ATS and found a few post about this mission, going by the tittles of the threads they all seem to be about the pictures taken from the mission, not about the water discovered.
According to Bill Stones "during the mission he said they discovered a strong hydrogen signature at Shackleton Creator on the south pole of the moon and that the Hydrogen signature was that strong that it could have only been produced by 10 trillion tonnes of water."
He says that this can be used to fuel ships in space at a 14th of the cost compared to fuelling them from earth.
This is all very good and interesting but didn't NASA bomb the moon a few months ago searching for water below the surface?
I believe this guys presentation is more proof that NASA had another agenda

Originally posted by wycky
I believe this guys presentation is more proof that NASA had another agenda

Absolutely, but what was that agenda I wonder?

I don't believe that it was to find water or to bomb our ET neighbours, a more probable solution is that they were destroying something that they didn't want others to see or they were destroying something that they have used and no longer need. Something like a mining station maybe?

Thinking outside the box, what if the elites of our planet have been working off world for many years, everything they do would seem like science fiction to us but only because we construct our ideas and logic through the knowledge that we have been given/aquired . You never know.



[edit on 22-12-2009 by franspeakfree]

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Originally posted by wycky
I believe this guys presentation is more proof that NASA had another agenda

Absolutely, but what was that agenda I wonder?

a more probable solution is that they were destroying something that they didn't want others to see or they were destroying something that they have used and no longer need. Something like a mining station maybe?


[edit on 22-12-2009 by franspeakfree]

you have a good point, didn't India get a probe on the moon a few weeks ago?
There is the Google comp to get to the moon also.
I think your right there are more countries reaching the moon now and NASA wanted to hide something

great find!!
thank you man. ......
just more evidence for the pile...

I also think something was destroyed, and that was LRO's purpose.

the "picture" they released was absurd.
to the point of making me cuss a them. lol

all but a little spot or 2 scribbled out in white?
no way....
that is actually insulting, to everyone.

if that pic was left as is...
without the childlike white scribbles over most of it
i think all jaws would be dropping....

s&f,
thanks.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by Ahmose]

Originally posted by wycky
I think your right there are more countries reaching the moon now and NASA wanted to hide something

Absolutely my friend it makes me laugh when I read threads from members defending NASA and saying that nothing untoward is going on, if only they knew or researched for themself....Or perhaps they do

Another plausible explanation maybe that the mining station has already been set up (there have been many many launch missions this year they could be doing anything up there which we would have no idea of) and that the bomb was to get the ball rolling by creating the crater they can mine.


Kind of on topic as it incorporates agendas.

The way I perceive it is there are forces at work on this planet that are trying so desperately to wake the masses. I have a gut feeling these forces are a branch of the elites that may have disagreed over a particular agenda and have now seperated. Anyone else getting this vibe?

Meditation is the key I am sure of it.





[edit on 22-12-2009 by franspeakfree]

Originally posted by wycky
...This is all very good and interesting but didn't NASA bomb the moon a few months ago searching for water below the surface?
I believe this guys presentation is more proof that NASA had another agenda

The findings of Clementine are NOT "New" or "Unknown" or "Hidden from the public", and NASA has been OPENLY talking about using this water to make fuel for over 10 years now.

If you think this is some secret NASA plan, then you have not been following NASA's VERY PUBLIC Moon efforts for the past 10 years -- the potential for water existing on the Moon and perhaps using that water to make fuel in the future has been a BIG part of NASA's plans.

Clementine and its discovery of water ice on the Moon is a well-known mission. Its findings that water potentially existed on the Moon was well-documented in both the science community and in the mainstream news back in 1996.

It detected the possible presence of water ice in the south pole crater of the Moon back in 1996. I remember the potential discovery being announced on the news -- it was relatively big news for a science story. While Clementine's findings were promising, some said they were not positively confirmed.

In 1998, another NASA spacecraft, the "Lunar Prospector" looked again at that area with different instruments and found the same very promising signs of water ice. Some NASA scientists at the time said the Lunar Prospector confirmed what Clementine's potential discovery of water ice, others were not so sure.

The Lunar Prospector crashed into the Moon back in 1998, but water was not positively detected in the plume.

Between February 26 and April 22, 1994, Clementine was able to deliver more than 1.8 million digital images of the moon back to the Clementine ground network, including the NRL satellite ground-tracking station located in Maryland. These images were quickly accessible to the general public via the Internet and World Wide Web. When scientists reviewed the data from Clementine, they made a major scientific discovery: the possible existence of ice within some of the moon's craters. This discovery was confirmed in early 1998 by NASA's Lunar Prospector.

Clementine

On 5 March 1998 it was announced that data returned by the Lunar Prospector spacecraft indicated that water ice might be present at both the north and south lunar poles, in agreement with Clementine results for the south pole reported in November 1996. Later work has called this interpretation into question

Ice on the Moon - NASA
please note: this article was written several years before the LCROSS mission, so it has not been updated with LCROSS's findings.

The discovery of potential water ice on the Moon helped spark NASA's new interest in manned missions to the Moon. NASA has openly talked about using this potential water in the future to create fuel on the moon and launch missions to Mars and beyond from the Moon (not carrying the heavy fuel off of the gravity of the Earth is a HUGE plus).

It was because of what Clementine found that prompted NASA's LCROSS/LRO mission, which was designed to positively confirm the existence of the water ice, and also give some hints as to how much was there (although many NASA scientist had been relatively confident for 15 years that the water did in fact exist).

LCROSS didn't go there blind -- it went to that specific crater because of what Clementine found 15 years earlier.


[edit on 12/22/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

Yes, meditation and remote viewing, why not find out for yourself?

Anyways, I believe there is a sophisticated covert space operation which is kept from public awareness and sometimes I even think more countries are involved. I don't know if the Nazi space program was fact or fiction, but this could have been the breakthrough that lead to the cutting edge technology that may exist now, in america since 1960 or even earlier through project paperclip?!, and I also believe since then we have mining operations on the moon and bases, well but time will tell anyways, a lie that big survived about 60 years? Unlikely but possible.

I thought it was common knowledge that there is water or sings of water on the moon, till I saw the news articles from the indian probe that praised their find, well maybe a part of the lie that had to reveal itself because of outside pressure?! Well there are many places in our solar system with water anyways, the moon Europa, Mars and some others.

And the rocket that was shot, well, i don't know, somehow suspect.



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[edit on 22-12-2009 by Clairaudience]

NASA just puts a little show on for us stupid peons occasionally to show they are doing something in space in order to hide the real space program from our prying eyes.

Go back to sleep now they will throw us another tidbit when the mood hits.

reply to post by expat2368

Well, it's a bit more than "a little show".

NASA has been discussing potential uses of this water and how it may fit in with there Moon and Mars exploration plans for over 10 years now -- since soon after the Clementine spacecraft and Lunar Prospector spacecraft first detected signs of water ice on the Moon back in the 1990s.



[edit on 12/22/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

wrong thread


[edit on 22/12/2009 by wycky]

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir still, but there is really not much that has been kept secret. There is plenty that has been tried, but not much has succeeded. This has been able to be researched for at least 4+ decades depending on your circle of influence and who you are willing to believe. The facts are out there and there is plenty of supporting "evidence" to state water is abundant in the Universe, from that, life is there also: at least at some point in time. Again, depending on who you are willing to believe.

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I believe there is much they are not telling us.
1000's of years ago we were mapping the stars and planets, predicting eclipses and all they used back then was rocks.
Now we have satellites, telescopes and computers, we should be much further along then what they are telling us.

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i might be barking up the wrong tree here but im still going to speak has anyone other than me thought about the soviets in this whole thing they kept alot of thier space program secret and to this day no one knows how much they acheived realy perhaps nasa found somthing they did not like that was put there by or communist friends ( satelite relay station,nuke silo,base,or mining facility) im just pissing in the dark here but maybey im right

What agenda you say?
It's probably this.

New SpaceRace for MoonFuel Helium-3

I would say ''plan'' not ''agenda''.
And adding to He-3 water is way better resource than helium -3. We can replicate fuel, oxygen and obviously water which are most basic resource except food.
Adding low gravity of the Moon it would be much more easier to supply space crafts once the supply center is up and running.
It is probably the best option if we are considaring larger expansion into space with current technology.