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Originally posted by Dometheus
Great Article, S&F...
I Wonder (skipped most of the posts)
Has anyone ever backed up the Info somewhere?
I know when I go to Digg.com and I can't load the page due to server loads and such someone always posts a Mirror link for the article, a cached version.
I would like to D/L all the Original Climate Information Wiki had.
Any Tips, or leads?
End of Line......
Originally posted by the_denv
Originally posted by seethelight
Originally posted by the_denv
If Wikipedia was edited, so what? It has no credibility at all.
[edit on 22/12/2009 by the_denv]
The only people that think WIKI is not credible are people that can't read sources.
Sources are just another man or woman's opinion.
Let me give you an example. I was in a rock band who had the name of "insert some random name here" (I aint saying which band), and our name was established before some other band came along 3 years later, stole my bands name and now WIKIPEDIA state that this other band where the people who created the name! Which I know first hand that is it complete and utter lies.
I am a victim of Wikipedia fraud, I tried to delete and edit the information and give proof in the past. But guess what? Wikipedia deleted it!
About 6 months ago I was sent a legal document from this (now famous) band, stating that they would want my MySpace account because its the original name (URL) of my band, which they stole the name of. I replied to that legal document and have NEVER heard anything from it.
Blatant lies.
Sources? Are you serious? I am living proof of how fraudulent Wikipedia are, so please get off your high horse. This thread might be a hoax, but saying that Wikipedia is credible is the biggest piece of crap I have ever heard.
There is no way you could argue with my case, I am doing this legally through the courts. Wikipedia hosts lies and crap as well as facts. The very fact that you depend on Wikipedia and its sources, for truth, is worrying.
My reaction is due to your verbal attack on my intellect, do your own sourcing.
Originally posted by seethelight
Can you prove any of what you just said?
The fact is that WIKI never stated that your band stole the name, what probably happened was the other band, not WIKI's staff, deleted your stuff because they thought it wasn't true.
If you contact a MOD on wiki they will not ignore you.
PM your bands name and I will personally contact WIKI for you... but you'll also need to give me some proof as it sounds like the other band beat you to the punch as far as deleting your stuff.
WIKI has NO agenda (at least that I could ever reasonably establish.
If you go on their boards you'll see people of ALL STRIPES arguing their cases...
The trouble is that its huge and relies, for better and worse, on people not being dicks....
when they find someone being a dick, they deal with it... I've seen it happen repeatedly.
I'm sorry you've had bad luck, but that doesn't mean that all material on WIKI is false or written to an editorial agenda... it just doesn't.
Learn to use their system and it'll work for you as long as you can back up your posts.
Originally posted by psychederic
reply to post by ProfEmeritus
Wikipedia administrator are idiots , religious dumbass, mother F conformist : they only defend the mass media : the mass truth : that is a lie : you can't add something that is not verified by the masss media theoritically ,because of their stupid rules . I have two big problem with those stupid guy : they don't understand what is an encyclopedia (that should aggregerate all knowledge from everywhere ) : and neutrality is fallacious argument : in a totalitarism state : you say something to hard to accept you can't sorry bye, you add something that will never be "verified" by any stupid guy in the mainstream media : you cant : sorry.
Open encyclopedia : yeah sometimes : when they agree with what you add.
Wikipedia could become an another tool to control people mind !
THAT IS A TRUTH NOWADAYS.
Originally posted by the_denv
Originally posted by seethelight
Can you prove any of what you just said?
The fact is that WIKI never stated that your band stole the name, what probably happened was the other band, not WIKI's staff, deleted your stuff because they thought it wasn't true.
If you contact a MOD on wiki they will not ignore you.
PM your bands name and I will personally contact WIKI for you... but you'll also need to give me some proof as it sounds like the other band beat you to the punch as far as deleting your stuff.
WIKI has NO agenda (at least that I could ever reasonably establish.
If you go on their boards you'll see people of ALL STRIPES arguing their cases...
The trouble is that its huge and relies, for better and worse, on people not being dicks....
when they find someone being a dick, they deal with it... I've seen it happen repeatedly.
I'm sorry you've had bad luck, but that doesn't mean that all material on WIKI is false or written to an editorial agenda... it just doesn't.
Learn to use their system and it'll work for you as long as you can back up your posts.
Yeah I can prove all that I said. Wiki never said I stole the name, its the other way around. I created the name for my rock band (which is now broke up) back in 2005, before another band came along and stole our name. The Wiki was our bands, then this new band hijacked the Wikipage and deleted all my bands information and replaced it with their own. They think they can do this because they are more famous than my band, but its not their name. They also come from the same country as me. I will U2U you the link to the wiki.
I have about 300 people, maybe even more, than can verify my bands name in 2005 before the creation of this other band.
I have done the whole "email the MODs at Wiki thing", nothing ever came from it. They don't care.
Thanks for the "Im sorry you've had badluck", but...at the end of the day, if the truth about my band is not heard, then it is an example of an editorial agenda.
Originally posted by seethelight
If you had you'd realise that there's no independent verification of this because it's a lie.
The so-called "erased" entries were not deleted and are currently up and clearly sourced.
Originally posted by seethelight
Lawrence references a new "report," but never tells you the name of the report or who wrote it.
Lawrence is also a WELL KNOWN oil industry shill who's bias is well documented.
He's written a much maligned (for twisting facts) book about Climate Change and has repeatedly taken money from such discredited groups as CEI, whose work was so flawed Exxon Mobile cut ties with them.
One more thing, The Resilient Earth website has been debunked so many times you'd have to laugh to avoid crying.
Not only is it "written" by a failed Republican politician, but it often links to article LONG after they've been thoroughly discredited...
This guy also considers himself to be a Tea-Partier and a 9/12er... so basically a little Glenn Beck wannabe.
That's the source for Lawrence's "TRUTH" about the Medieval Warm Period, Wiki's is scientists.
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Originally posted by seethelight
I'm completely unsurprised, btw., that none of you, including the OP, bothered to see if the entries on WIKI were actually erased, which they aren't.
Originally posted by seethelight
I would guess, based on what it says, that someone like you vandalised the site with nonsense which came from Republicans or Oil Industry insiders.
((snip))
If you wanna debate this fine, but accept that your sources are all partisan political or Oil/Business sources. The authors work has been largely discredited and that website you link to is a front for the Republican Party (written by a Republican politician...a failed one at that).
Originally posted by seethelight
A) He's not a scientist.
B) He also thinks people with AIDS ahould be put into camps FOREVER.
Sounds like a reasonable guy. Especially for a Freemason.
Originally posted by seethelight
And btw., not only was that hockey-stick nonsense publicly studied by THE US CONGRESS who found it to not be hugely inaccurate, but the principal creators (scientists, btw.) went back and included numerous more data point (other than tree-rings) and came to the same conclusion.
Originally posted by seethelight
I'm gonna just go ahead and add you to the list of "untrustworthy sources".
((snip))
In other words, while no source is inherently 100% accurate, given the choice between the two sources here, I'll choose the majority of scientists over Republican hacks.
Originally posted by seethelight
didn't you guys all claim the Nobel Prize was worthless garbage cause Obama won it?
And like I said, the original chart has been shown to not be manipulated, but instead came from a limited number of data points.
In 2007 (maybe 2008) the guys went back and revised the chart including a LOT more data and guess what... the same outcome.
Originally posted by seethelight
If I claimed that Global Warming was a myth AND I claimed that the moon was made of snails you'd have every right to question my sanity and my veracity.
Originally posted by seethelight
That's the source for Lawrence's "TRUTH" about the Medieval Warm Period, Wiki's is scientists
Originally posted by TheRedneck
So... when you state "Wiki's [writers] is scientists", you project at the least a lack of sincerity or information, and at the worst a lie.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Basically what you are claiming here is collusion and insincerity. That's fine, until we start examining the person who actually brought Global Warming to the attention of the public. [insert Al Gore].
at the least a lack of sincerity or information, and at the worst a lie.
Originally posted by heyo
Hmmm. Apparently they WEREN'T taken out of context after all. It's amazing what people will do to convince us that the 5% of co2 that is caused by humans, a gas that makes up 9-26% of total greenhouse gasses, which themselves make up 1% of the atmosphere is going to destroy the planet.
5% of 17% is worth a lot these days.
Originally posted by heyo
reply to post by maybereal11
You basically said I could stick with whatever opinion fits my world view. You then said you, on the other hand would, would vet the science. I'd be interested to see the science that shows CO2 is the cause of temperature rise. Honestly.
Originally posted by seethelight
If I can help you resolve this, will you revise your ideas about WIKI?
Originally posted by seethelight
I genuinely can't begin to think why WIKI would care about something like this... unless there's an actual legal ruling in the favour of the other band...
Originally posted by seethelight
Please do send me the link and I'll try and help.
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Beginning in February 2003, Connolley rewrote Wikipedia entries on global warming, the greenhouse effect, the instrumental temperature record, the urban heat island, on climate models and on global cooling, according to the report. In February, he began editing the Little Ice Age. By August, he began to rewrite history without the Medieval Warm Period. In October, he turned to the hockey-stick chart.
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