Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425

I think there are two sides to the story:

1. Too many resources are being diverted to fulfill requests for searches, records, etc. and that is why this amendment is a good thing.

2. INTERPOL can now engage in unethical behaviors with less risk of discovery and that is why this amendment is a bad thing.

I have one question:

Can other countries still request searches, records, etc. from INTERPOL or is it just US citizens that cannot?

Maybe Ron Paul's push to get the paperwork pushed through has been all in vain? If INTERPOL would be a part of the Fed's audit, then there will be no transparency, and no accountability.

Does INTERPOL have, also, the privilege of The Patriot Act? And will WE be footing the bill for the USA branch?

They are hanging on with their life.

reply to post by Heros_son

... And will WE be footing the bill for the USA branch?

Of course.

We have been doing that since 1949 or whenever it was that we signed up to Interpol.

Who else?

Does anyone have an opinion about "lermanet.com?" I found this article from "The Detroit Jewish News," and I wish I could verify the source as credible or not. I apologize for the apparent lack of research, please understand that my time online is very limited as of late.

This is the link

I'm still just learning about Interpol. (We can't each watch all fronts can we.) So please forgive my ignorance. I am not making claims, rather looking for information.

When the President of the United Stats of America gives a speech on live television to millions of people, tells them that Bush was a bad president because of all the illegal things he did, only to give "making all the illegal things Bush did legal" as a solution.....

I'd say the true solution is to listen to the music.....

Look, We could argue this thing until we are blue in the face. Could this be a good thing used in a good way Yes. Could it be totally corrupt Yes. Homeland Security was supposed to be a good thing too, all of the agencies would now share information as opposed to keeping each other in check and look at the debacle that has turned into. My point is we have been here before and we have been burned and burned badly. So here we find ourselves again.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result.

But No... Its "gonna" work this time... It "will" be a good thing... And it "wont" also be corrupted...

Now who is the more insane

thanks for the video Iz - they have always been favorites of mine - big star for you


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The data streams are what Interpol is about. But big words and anything more than a few paragraphs of legalese makes the hillbillies get nervous and immediately assume the worst. meh, let the hillbillies be the cowering ignoramuses they tend to be

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No one here is cowering or suffering from an inability to comprehend words. But when laws are written in a manner that is not obvious as to their intent and or their implications, then they are rightfully a cause for some concern.

“It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.”
-James Madison

Madison, what a hillbilly, what a cowering ignoramus he and those of his ilk must have been.

Being a non-Christian and unashamedly liberal on many social issues, I used to laugh at the rednecks and their "God, guns and guts made this country great" mentality. After reading up on the Founding Fathers a bit, I see that I was simply being arrogant and stereotyping those who I considered my political opposite. It's little wonder to me now that TPTB want the left and right wings despising each other.

Isn't it interesting that the Founding Fathers of this country, who were intelligent enough to write the constitution for us and lead a ragtag army into battle against the most powerful nation on Earth and win, considered the most serious threat to this country to be an internal one?

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy” - James Madison

"The truth is that all men having power should be mistrusted" - James Madison

I could post many quotes from this country's Founding Fathers that warned us about the inherent tendency of any government to become corrupt and turn on it's own people. The passage of time has done nothing to invalidate their warnings.

Maybe this EO is harmless, I tend to think that it is, but then again, maybe it isn't it. I don't know the whole story behind this EO. Had Obama conducted himself in a manner congruent with his party platform and his campaign speeches, I personally wouldn't be as suspicious of him as I now am.

When the govt reps stops listening to the people who elected them to power, then the potential for tyranny inherent within our government, the tyranny that our Founding Fathers warned us about, is starting to materialize before us. The questions are how far will it go and at what point do we say, in a loud unified voice, that it's unacceptable.

Thank God for the second amendment.

I used to get hung up on that 2nd amendment question you sometimes hear, what did the FF mean by "a well regulated militia"? Is the second amendment really an absolute?

I've been reading up on what the Founding Fathers had to say about the R2KBA lately.

The Founding Fathers, without a doubt, wanted the citizens of this country to be armed enough to be able to defend themselves from our own govt, should it ever become necessary to do so.

We can never, ever, under any circumstances, give up our guns.

Should any of us ever find ourselves confused on the issue, if ever we are in doubt about whether or not the amount of oppression from the govt is severe enough to justify a violent retaking of our govt...just remember this.

As Americans and as people of good will, we can certainly disagree about whether or not things are bad enough to march over, demonstrate, or fight over.

But if the govt should ever state that we are to surrender our firearms, then let there be no doubt, war will have been declared against the American people. Handing over our guns will insure that we will go from being free citizens from whom the power of govt originates, to mere subjects, slaves, property of a despotic regime.

Hopefully, we will never see that day.

Can someone honestly explain to me what the big deal is? The International Organizations Immunities Act gave international organizations complete immunity in the U.S. from 1945-1995. Now Obama is just reversing Clinton's amendment.

This act was in place for 50 years and as far as my knowledge goes, nothing bad came from it.

Is it so obvious by all the little unnoticed legislation that OB pushes through that he is working towards the NWO and he knows it. He does these things unanounced because he knows the majority of Americans wouldnt like it

It's no big deal. Most international organizations are exempt like this. I work for one and we have privileges and immunities just like this. Our records are inviolate, etc.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
So basically, this means we will have an inernational thug group of european police patroling american streets??? SOunds like to me, form what ive read. god, sounds just like the GHESTTAPPO, only without swastika armbands*

I have experience with interpol details, in these cases case they didn't have uniformed officers..

interpol contacted the feds (DEA) who contacted the local agency with their information. The feds asked if their assistance was needed, the answer was a firm "No".. but just like the US govt.. they came down un-invited and screwed things up..

As far as obama doing this... of course.. as if dick cheneys cousin wouldn't be a fascist oligarch? He is part of the big DC mafia club.. and we aren't.

reply to post by MatrixBaller04

Can someone honestly explain to me what the big deal is? The International Organizations Immunities Act gave international organizations complete immunity in the U.S. from 1945-1995. Now Obama is just reversing Clinton's amendment.

It was Reagan that issued the EO that Obama is reversing.

The Reagan White House was not one to favor international cooperation about anything. They were positively hostile to the UN.

Originally posted by rnaa
reply to post by MatrixBaller04

 

Can someone honestly explain to me what the big deal is? The International Organizations Immunities Act gave international organizations complete immunity in the U.S. from 1945-1995. Now Obama is just reversing Clinton's amendment.

It was Reagan that issued the EO that Obama is reversing.

The Reagan White House was not one to favor international cooperation about anything. They were positively hostile to the UN.

Man, you are opening a whole new can of worms Agenda 21 anyone?

www.canadafreepress.com...

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Interpol is an info gathering and coordinating org to facilitate sharing of info on global criminal activity. The huge issue here is why the previous "in place" limitations are being covertly modified by EO now.....So many possibilities, so little time...

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Grab yer guns?

Or......continue. With the olde "turn around and smile" routine?

I SAY REVOLT NOW "" REVOLUTION AT HANDS WHEN GOVERNMENT IS WEAK AND MORAL OF SOLDIERS THAT WILL FIGHT WITH US DO TO THERE DISTRUST IN GOVERNMENT AT HAND!! MARCH WASHINGTON !! WITH ARMS!! IN A MOREL THOUGHT OF ITS NATIONS PEOPLE AND MILITARY AND COPS, WE JUST MARCH RIGHT THROUGH THEM!! THEY WOULD BE TO STUPID TO OPPOSE SUCH AN ACTION AMONG AMERICANS!! WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT TO BE ENSLAVED!! iM AS MUCH AMERICAN AS ALL OF YOU!! BUT OUR FOREFATHER WENT TO WAR IN SUCH LITTLE ASPECTS!! TO WHAT WERE GOING THOUGH RIGHT NOW!! I SAY LIVE ALL SOULS THAT LIVES FREELY AMONG FREEDOM AND NAUTRE!! WHY I ASK IS JUST SIMPLICITY IN THOUGHT!!

Quoting Will Smith from I Robot, for all you folks who voted for Obama:

"Somehow, 'I told you so', just doesn't quite say it."

Followup

www.examiner.com...

U.S. placed under international police-state
December 26, 3:49 PM Columbia Conservative Examiner Anthony G. Martin


In the dead of night on December 17, 2009, President Barack Hussein Obama placed the United States of America under the authority of the international police organization known as INTERPOL, granting the organization full immunity to operate within the United States.

(AP Photo/Peter Dejong).

According to Threatswatch:

Last Thursday, December 17, 2009, The White House released an Executive Order "Amending Executive Order 12425." It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other "International Organizations" as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.
By removing language from President Reagan's 1983 Executive Order 12425, this international law enforcement body now operates - now operates - on American soil beyond the reach of our own top law enforcement arm, the FBI, and is immune from Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests.

What, exactly does this mean? It means that INTERPOL now has the full authority to conduct investigations and other law enforcement activities on U.S. soil, with full immunity from U.S. laws such as the Freedom of Information Act and with complete independence from oversight from the FBI.

In short, a global law enforcement entity now has full law-enforcement authority in the U.S. without any check on its power afforded by U.S. law and U.S. law enforcement agencies.

A bit of background is in order here, and Hot Air provides it:

During his presidency, Ronald Reagan granted the global police agency Interpol the status of diplomatic personnel in order to engage more constructively on international law enforcement. In Executive Order 12425, Reagan made two exceptions to that status. The first had to do with taxation, but the second was to make sure that Interpol had the same accountability for its actions as American law enforcement — namely, they had to produce records when demanded by courts and could not have immunity for their actions.
Barack Obama unexpectedly revoked those exceptions in a change to EO 12425 last (week)...

Thus, Interpol now can conduct its operations on U.S. soil with ZERO accountability to anyone in this country.

And you beginning to understand now just what the 'end game' is on the part of those who are currently running the U.S. Government?

Let's go a step further in fleshing out exactly what this means in practical terms. It gets ugly...and scary. Again, from ThreatsWatch:

Section 2c of the United States International Organizations Immunities Act is the crucial piece.

Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. (Emphasis added.)

Inviolable archives means INTERPOL records are beyond US citizens' Freedom of Information Act requests and from American legal or investigative discovery ("unless such immunity be expressly waived.")
Property and assets being immune from search and confiscation means precisely that. Wherever they may be in the United States. This could conceivably include human assets - Americans arrested on our soil by INTERPOL officers.

Why would INTERPOL be arresting American citizens on our own soil, without oversight from our own law enforcement agencies? And remember, citizens who are thusly arrested would have no legal authority to demand full documentation from the International Police concerning the charges brought against them.

Andy McCarthy at National Review asks these crucial, sobering questions of the secretive Obama order:

"Why would we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files which, therefore, will be beyond the ability of Congress, American law-enforcement, the media, and the American people to scrutinize?"

At least one answer to these questions is very clear. A coup is underway in the United States of America, the goal of which is to establish complete, unquestioned authority over the citizens--a 'fundamental change' to the United States where citizens have no legal recourse against an authoritarian central government.

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Originally posted by RelentlessDespot
I might be wrong (I assure you it happens) but this story should tie DIRECTLY into the story detailing plans for US and Canadian forces preparing to deploy in California as it declares bankruptcy in January.
Granted I do detest all those doom sayers who give a date that passes quietly... But sure looks like a duck... sounds like a duck...

I didn't know SORCHA FAAL was a duck. . You learn something every day on ATS.