Anti-vacciners are wrong, wrong wrong.

reply to post by kenochs


Dear OP,

To a certain degree, I agree with the sentiment you have raised. The public at large should not be anti or pro vaccines. They should understand each one before they take it. Parents should do the unthinkable, and get educated.

Some vaccines can help. Others will harm. Some vaccines are taken too much, others are taken too little. We cannot sit there and say that all vaccines are bad, because this is simply rubbish - history bears out that vaccination is a useful tool in preventative medicine. However, history also bears out that as usual, we rely too much on the easy fix that it appears to present - multiplying the problems they were supposed to eradicate.

When it comes to Swine Flu, the drugs, and the vaccines are BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. Period. Get a grip! The pharmacoms are trying to 'sustainably farm' the market for influenza drugs - purely to increase profitability and margins. There is significant circumstantial evidence that they were also the CAUSE of the Swine Flu outbreak.

Parallex.

For the most part I'd agree with you but my issue and post was really only using Swine Flu as a jumping off point to speak about the general anti-vaccine hysteria.
Like I said, my kids didn't get the Swine Flu vaccine and I'm okay with that, though I would have no problem with them getting it.
And I also can't argue with anyone who says big Pharma doesn't really care about our health, but rather about making money. Absolutely.
But, wouldn't a vaccine that's a killer seems to me to be bad for business? So it's not in anyone's financial interests to put out bad or dangerous product.
I also agree the SF hysteria was media driven, no doubt, it was a good story for a while. So, that's a perfect storm of consumerism, I get it, kinda like Glenn Beck pushing gold while buying truckloads of gold.
But my bigger general worry are people who are not inoculating their children against anything. This, it seems to me is a very bad idea.
The diseases we inoculate our children really don't exist anymore in this country, why would we give them an opportunity to come back?
That just seems dumb.

reply to post by leaderof theTFHbrigade

Very smart post and thanks.
I'm still getting inoculations for my kids, there's very little doubt in my wife's and my mind this is the right thing to do, we had many long conversations about it.
But clearly there's more learning to be done, and perhaps more research.

i didnt take it and guess what...

STILL HEALTHY. which breathe of fresh air is needed? The one where you go run and throw money at something that CAN and HAS hurt people, or just do what you normally do, and stay the same?

ill leave you with these so you can feel so refreshed








from the 70s. funny how quickly we forget....

you can take your chances and your positive propaganda game, and not push them on me



edit: god i miss real reporting too.

[edit on 12/22/2009 by mahtoosacks]

edit, just saw the second part of that movie. you guys obviously never seen this before....

[edit on 12/22/2009 by mahtoosacks]

reply to post by seethelight


LoL. Normal? Normal? Normal?

You believe that it is normal to inject yourself and your children with drugs that you have no idea what long term effect it could cause you. 2000+ years without them and the last 50 years have been normal?

[edit on 22-12-2009 by SoundTheory]

reply to post by kenochs


I saw a huge line for Britney Spears Tickets the other day. It was a huge line and people have been going to shows like hers for 70+ years now so I stood in line, because it was Normal. And I brought my Kids 8).

I just had a thought.

"They" are strategists; made up of perhaps some of the most brilliant minds known in this era.

What if...

The fist version of the vaccine …..was actually safe?

"They" are aware, I’m sure, of all the blogs and threads and papers and "research" and what have you concerning the much anticipated vaccine, in all its negative light.

"So, why not prove them wrong by giving them good vaccines - and when we have won them over and the masses are asking for more, and we have "proved" those "conspiracy-nuts" are nothing but paranoid slanderers, then we shall introduce the bad stuff!!"

Makes sense to me. It’s how I would have done it. Why put it out there if it is being expected? Just a thought.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that the "Swine Flu" isn't a new thing? That the first cases came from Fort Dix in 1976? There were also vaccinations back then for it, and from I know they had horrible side-effects, people immediately getting sick. I think some even died from it.

Bert Burkhardt had his first run-in with swine flu in 1976 as a U.S. Army soldier working at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. Swine flu had been reported among four among soldiers in Fort Dix, N.J., and everyone had to be vaccinated immediately. Burkhardt said as he watched his colleagues get horribly sick from the shot, he dodged getting the vaccination. "It was a terrible vaccine to get. A lot of people were getting sick as soon as they got it," Burkhardt said. When his first sergeant found out he was the only one not vaccinated, he was forced to take the shot. "He called me to attention in his office and gave it to me himself," Burkhardt said. The side effects where devastating to his body, as his temperature climbed to 103, his muscles ached and he endured nausea.
Sources: www.theleafchronicle.com...

First of all, people need to understand that the problem this year is not H1N1, but swine flu.

Secondly, my wife is a doctor here in Taiwan and she has administered the vaccination to kids who were so happy and excited after receiving the shot just to find themselves all weak, nautious and dizzy within half an hour later.

My wife explained to me very clearly that this has never happened with any other vaccine before! And she's a specialist in her field.

What does the the media here say? Kids are so nervous about taking the vaccine that they get nautious for that reason. Then why was the only kid who was really nervous at my wife's clinic feel perfectly fine in the end??

The vaccines in Taiwan are adjuvant free, but not clean. But just think about all the women in the US who have had miscourages as a result of taking the vaccine. My brother in law luckily just felt dizzy, and nothing else.

Do you really want to take the risk?? Obvously it's not 100% safe, and still people are wishing to take it? Who are the sheep? I apologise to my family and friends who have taken the vaccine already, but after all everyone also thinks Obama only means well.

reply to post by itsmethegoat


This was mentioned early this year on ATS. Is ATS now quitting their discussion about the swine flu? No wonder. The hoax is over.

The government now has a climate deal on their shoulders, so nevermind about the swine flu at the moment. The climate deal is more likely to lead to a New World Order than the idiotic swine flu that most Europeans don't believe in anyway.

I wish the Americans and Taiwanese would also stop listening to the government and the media and think independently of that influence. They'll find out that they are wasting their time taking the vaccine, just as much as they are wasting their time calling for a cooling of the temperatures while people in the eastern US, across Europe and in Moscow are freezing this minute.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by MightyAl]

Originally posted by MightyAl
reply to post by itsmethegoat

 

I wish the Americans and Taiwanese would also stop listening to the government and the media and think independently of that influence. They'll find out that they are wasting their time taking the vaccine, just as much as they are wasting their time calling for a cooling of the temperatures while people in the eastern US, across Europe and in Moscow are freezing this minute.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by MightyAl]

peh! dont we all!

so many truths in one sentence.

so i guess really... people who are anti anti-vacciners, are WRONG WRONG WRONG

Think that there is a connection between the two words; influence & influenza?!

Originally posted by itsmethegoat
Think that there is a connection between the two words; influence & influenza?!

really????

cus influenza means influence in italian....

the influence of god

"but mainly it's about people who are afraid (without any proof whatsoever) that vaccines contribute to autism."

Autism Jumps 57% in Just 4 Years

Here is the story:

www.webmd.com...

I'll draw my own conclusions on this one, thank you.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Lol did anyone read at the end?

saved millions of lives.

Really now i want proof of that

and the sweet irony now swine flu isnt a flu now its a disease!

[edit on 21-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

The flu is a disease, therefore categorizing it as a flu is also categorizing it as a disease.

In the past, children have been given vaccines that had SV40 included.
SV40 causes cancer and it is still used in testing today by cancer researchers. Millions of Americans were given these vaccines, but the story seems to have been covered up or just ignored.

SV40 and the Public Health

Despite the government’s foot dragging, in the last several years, scientists from around the world have made startling and disturbing discoveries. They have found SV40 antibodies in a significant percentage of people including children who were too young to receive the SV40 contaminated vaccines of the early 1960’s.[81] They have also discovered that cancers with SV40 are less likely to be responsive to chemotherapy and radiation because SV40 interferes with the genes necessary for cancer cells to die when they are exposed to chemo or radiation therapy

SV40—A Human Carcinogen

By 1999, numerous pathologists, microbiologists, and virologists throughout the world had detected SV40 in a variety of human cancers such as brain tumors[66] including medulloblastomas,[67] bone cancers,[68] and mesotheliomas[69] a fatal lung cancer. These were the very same cancers that were created when SV40 was introduced into animals

www.sv40foundation.org...

I know there are studies that say that SD40 did not give the children cancer, but the studies are from the same institutions that gave children vaccines that had cancer in them. Also, the incidence of cancer has greatly increased, and the studies were not long term.

When I first learned of this, it did not seem possible, but it happened and no one was even told of the risk of cancer. For this reason, I would be careful of any vaccines, as they are from the same companies did the above.

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reply to post by kenochs


ummmm..... apparently you havn't heard of the side effects of squalene... maybe you should actually do some research before you attempt to post

READ THIS: www.abovetopsecret.com...

* I have heard of way too many of these stories, if you want to get the flu shot that is fine by me. But don't preach to the choir!

reply to post by kenochs


I'm glad you found the information worth further exploration. Warmest regards to you and yours, brother.

Originally posted by seethelight
.it's actually a science, called medicine.

Medicine huh? A science? LOL

Medicine is a Pseudoscience.

Medicine itself is contradictory to the Hippocratic oath.

Medicine is responsible for over 100,000 deaths a year in hospitals alone for overdoses and incorrectly prescribed medications. This is a fact, No one disputes this.

I know people who have died because of medicines given that caused a condition to get worse or create a new harmful condition in the body.

Medicines are prescribed on top of other medicines so often and in large numbers.. and NONE of this is tested for adverse interactions between the medicines and takes into account the patients body chemistry over the long term to see how harmful these drugs are.

It is a Fact that the build up of toxins in the body from long term exposure to medicines can cause cancer and a general state of toxicity that in turn have an overall detrimental health effect. Synthetic pharmaceuticals do not get eliminated properly from the body.

It is a Fact that natural remedies can do almost everything medicines can do and do it safer. No overdoses, no bad reactions, no storing toxins in the body.

Our study of natural remedies are the reasons why we have synthetic drugs in the first place. Greedy people decided they can't make money on a plant, so if they isolated the drug from the plant and synthesized it, they could make money on that. Almost all known drugs have their roots in the natural world from plants. How do you think Man survived for millions of years and they didn't have pharmaceuticals. LOL

It is a Fact that the first thing the body tries to do when you put a drug into it, is eliminate that drug. The drug is a foreign chemical that the body immediately tries to reject. This is why drugs are made so strong.

[edit on 23-12-2009 by JohnPhoenix]

OP, I could not agree with you more, star and flag, well done!

Back at uni, I did a huge report on Smallpox, it still sticks out as one of the scariest things I've ever learned about. That one little bug killed so very many people, in such unspeakably horrible ways!

Reason, human reason defeated it. I do believe that disease is our oldest and worst enemy but we have the advantage of the scientific process. Untold masses of lives have been saved by that fact, and we are made better as a species for it.

I got my seasonal flu shot this year but I'd already had H1N1 by the time the vaccination came out. Next year I will get my seasonal shot as well, same with the year after that and so on.