Did the BVM ever spank Jesus for being a norty boy?

Explanation: Everybody I know at one point has been diciplined by their mum and this made me consider that it was and is an important part of "growing up human" and then I thought of Jesus!

If the answer to the threads question "Did the BVM ever spank Jesus for being a norty boy?" is a clear and resounding NO!, then does that directly imply that the bibles claim that "Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin." is really invalid?

What are the consequences for the modern world if the answer is a clear and resounding YES?

Personal Disclosure: I am a theist, but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I'm am also an Ex-Jehovah's Witness. All my known biases are now fully disclaimed OK!

Edited for spelling. [I'll leave "norty" as is just to spite the gramma-nazi's :shk: ]

[edit on 21-12-2009 by OmegaLogos]

reply to post by OmegaLogos


Spanking was in in those days.

So, if He was naughty, she spanked Him.

I don't see what this proves.

reply to post by TaraLou
Explanation: It would prove that he wasn't perfect! It is just that SIMPLE!

Conversely, if she didn't spank him, then the bibles claim that Jesus was a man like us and suffered the same things we did/do [making him an appropriate judge of humanity] is then FALSE!

Personal Disclosure: Either Jesus was norty and an imperfect human or he was perfect and therefor has no valid concept of what it is like to want to kill your mum for her spanking your bum, which would then make the scripture I quoted above a FALSE SCRIPTURE!

reply to post by OmegaLogos


Jesus lived as a man, which proved He was not perfect in that life.

He was willing to undergo everything humans have to.

I still do not see what it proved, if his mother spanked Him - He was living here - imperfect like us. So it is a non-discussion.

What about the stories of Jesus killing his friend and then bringing him back to life?

If I remember right, he pushed him off the top of a roof and then when he was scolded for doing so, he brought the dead boy back to life.

I think there is another story of him killing or hurting someone, and then healing them afterwards.

I don't think that, as a child, Jesus was perfect. I think it was more of a personal test of power and limits.

How would Superman know if he was faster than a speeding bullet? By racing the bullet.

The question REALLY IS.......

If jesus was born with knowledge NOT given to other people then is it valid to say he lived a normal life that DESERVES ANY RECOGNITION?

Isnt it basicly living life with cheat codes on? How stupid and pointless would it be to say your great and some sort of holy icon if your were wise to it the whole time. If god gave this knowledge to every $%^&ing baby then there would be no crime or hate..... no blindless or deformation... no suffering.....

reply to post by Wertdagf


No, because Jesus was here to save sinners - good luck to Him then.

He had to live that human life in the hope He could save sinners.

reply to post by TaraLou
Explanation: So it is IYO that Jesus wasn't perfect! Cool! How does that opinion gel with the bibles claim that he was perfect?

Personal Disclosure: The bible claims Jesus divinity and this is kyboshed if Jesus isn't/wasn't PERFECT! He is also recorded as making this claim to divinity himself, but that is NOT the focus of this thread. This is not about whether Jesus is a liar or not but more to do with the current bibles VALIDITY!

reply to post by Detailed Perfection
Explanation: St*r for you. I have never heard of this so a big to you!

Personal Disclosure: Thanks heaps!

Umm...well when I was a child...I had to DO something that deserved a spankin....

I would think Jesus...you know, being divine and everything, would most certainly know better. You think he was put in timeout? Got sent to bed without dessert?

You think they read books to baby Jesus to help him sleep? Got angry when he crapped himself? Yelled at him like my parents did when he(I) would tip over the garbage? Let him play with beer cans just so they could have some peace and quiet for once? Sent him to grandma's house?

reply to post by Wertdagf
Explanation: AMAZINGLY WELL PUT! St*r for you!

Personal Disclosure: I agree! How can I respect him as my judge if that was the actual case? The answer is "I CAN"T!"

reply to post by OmegaLogos


When He lived as a man He was not perfect - because humans are not perfect, obviously.

reply to post by Agree2Disagree
Explanation: The only thing I currently agree to believe about Jesus is he was perfect and therefor didn't get his bum smacked and therefor he has absolutely NO understanding of where I am coming from and therefor he can't VALIDLY judge me. It's that SIMPLE!

Personal Disclosure: The Devil would be a more appropriate Judge IMO! [Sarcasm!]

reply to post by Agree2Disagree


Yes, yes and yes.

What you guys are missing is the whole point. Jesus came here to live as a man, therefore He was imperfect in that incarnation.

reply to post by TaraLou
Explanation: Yes AND...."How does that opinion gel with the bibles claim that he was perfect?"

Personal Disclosure: You have made your point on Jesus's imperfect nature and I'm now interested in an answer to the question I have now posed to you twice OK!

reply to post by OmegaLogos


OK, try living your life with people clamouring all over you, then get crucified.

Jesus has a lot to do with you.

reply to post by OmegaLogos


I'm sure Jesus got punished. Didn't Mary and Joseph spend some time looking for him when he was around 12 and find him teaching in the Temple? I'm guessing they scolded him something fierce for going off without saying where he was going...

I doubt he was some tyrant using his divinity to get himself out of punishments (I doubt he was divine at all, but that's another discussion entirely).

In order for the story to work Christ has to be fallible, otherwise he never was human to begin with, he was just possessing someones body. If his mind and consciousness were not human than neither was he...

This is why I could never understand people being offended by the idea of Jesus having kids. He was human right? He went through puberty I assume. So I'm thinking he had the same urges as everyone else. What would be so wrong about the idea of him falling in love and getting married and quite possibly having kids?

I think he wasn't perfect and did get punished. I don't think he was divine, I think that's a mistake made by his followers and that many of the supernatural elements in the story were added by them or exaggerated from actual events that would be less miraculous today (the rumor line, "Did you hear about Jesus, yeah he's doing miracles, well this is what he did ..." and by the time it gets written down in the Gospels its far more fantastic). I don't think Jesus came to save us I think he came to teach us how to save ourselves.

Originally posted by TaraLou
reply to post by OmegaLogos

 

OK, try living your life with people clamouring all over you, then get crucified.

Jesus has a lot to do with you.

How does that statement answer the question I posed?

Personal Disclosure: This thread is really neither about me or you or Jesus. Its TOTALLY about the validity of the BIBLE [KJV]! Please stay on topic OK.

The whole story of Jesus killing a boy and then bringing him back to life is a gnostic myth and probably serves to illustrate the point that he was a MAN. It is often forgotten that he was human, capable of the same crap as any of us. The only thing is, he was a man 2000 years ahead of his time. His very doctrine (his actual teachings) are a model of how any civillized man should live and there is nothing wrong with believing in that aspect of the bible.
Also, I don't think he ever claimed that he was going to judge anyone. It was his followers who claimed that. I think a lot got lost in translation.
oh and yeah he probably got a spanking or two. Being naughty in Hebrew tradition is not a big deal until the age of manhood. (if I'm wrong correct me please)

reply to post by OmegaLogos


Sorry, wrong.

Jesus lived as a man, therefore He knows what it is like, therefore He can judge you.

He is quite nice tho.