The Dangers Of Cooked Food Can No Longer Be Ignored

reply to post by Rawhemp
Raw food tastes bland also. The raw food restaurant I went to had to pretty much cover everything on the plate with salsa to give it some flavor. The walnut meat substitute had no flavor to speak of. Without the salsa I would have left most of it on the plate, but with it it was good. Without spices any food would be bland, raw or cooked.



[edit on 12/21/2009 by seentoomuch]

Hey, dose it really matter? Go into your kitchen open up the tap and pour yourself a big ol glass of fluoride, Yeah that will keep you healthy!!

Trust me..

Yes, I can definitely see where cooked food is wreaking havoc on the world population. Why if we all just ate raw food, we'd have tens of billions more people alive and farming every square inch of land we could to feed them.

Humans are not an endangered species. We have more people on this planet than we know what to do with. Eating cooked food apparently hasn't seemed to have harmed us enough to bring the species to the brink of extinction.

Originally posted by Rawhemp

I don't use a car and everything else you mentioned in no way requires tools...

Are you seriously that stupid? The other things I mentioned were

1. Clothes - Do you think fabrics just grow naturally? It takes tools to makes the fabric, tools to do the stitching etc...

2. Your Home - Unless you live in a cave or something let me see you build a house with no tools. What kind of fool would even suggest that building a house "in no way requires tools"

3. The food you eat - Sure, you could possibly grow food without the use of hoes, tillers, etc.. but your crops would be hardly worth eating.

Medical treatment is a leading cause in the decline of health imo and i never said the decline in life expectancy had anything to do with cooked food. I directly correlated it to mcdonalds culture.

First off there is no decline in life expectancy. Your sources stated only a decline among certain groups, to be specific, the obese, and those living in the poorest counties in America.

Second, why would you introduce evidence (albeit very poor, false evidence) of a decline in life expectancy in a thread titled "The Dangers Of Cooked Food Can No Longer Be Ignored" if you were not trying to imply that cooked food was the cause?

Life expectancy is among the highest in cultures that have never seen or even heard of doctors

Exactly what fairy tale book do you get your info from, it is quite amusing.. In a sad for you sort of way. Here the Top 10 countries based on Life expectancy according to the CIA World Factbook.
1 - Macau
2 - Andorra
3 - Japan
4 - Singapore
5 - San Marino
6 - Hong Kong
7 - Australia
8 - Canada
9 - France
10 - Sweden

Now, you want to explain to me which one of these countries have never seen or heard of a doctor?

Originally posted by Majiq

1. Clothes - Do you think fabrics just grow naturally?

Yes?

Originally posted by Majiq
It takes tools to makes the fabric, tools to do the stitching etc...

No it doesn't? Besides whoever said clothes were a necessity? The only reason i wear them is fear of being imprisoned

Originally posted by Majiq2. Your Home - Unless you live in a cave or something let me see you build a house with no tools. What kind of fool would even suggest that building a house "in no way requires tools"

You sound like the standard person who has absolutely no creativity, i could build a live able house out of sticks and leaves with nothing but my hands...

Originally posted by Majiq3. The food you eat - Sure, you could possibly grow food without the use of hoes, tillers, etc.. but your crops would be hardly worth eating.

Have you ever even grown anything?? What plant requires a till or hoe to make edible, or even delicious for that matter? I know every plant i eat doesn't

Originally posted by MajiqNow, you want to explain to me which one of these countries have never seen or heard of a doctor?

www.healthyat100.org...

Don't worry when you get cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc. from your toxic diet I'm sure the doctors will be there to help you with more toxic pills to subside the symptoms. You clearly are sure of your self and have a very one track mind, good luck with that.


This whole if i don't use a stove but if i use technology I'm a hypocrite crap is ridiculous to be honest. Technology that i can control has nothing to do with my health, food does. what is so hard to understand about that???

[edit on 21-12-2009 by Rawhemp]

Originally posted by seentoomuch
reply to post by Rawhemp

 

Raw food tastes bland also. The raw food restaurant I went to had to pretty much cover everything on the plate with salsa to give it some flavor. The walnut meat substitute had no flavor to speak of. Without the salsa I would have left most of it on the plate, but with it it was good. Without spices any food would be bland, raw or cooked.

This is basically cooked food that hasn't been cooked, more tasteless bland bullcrap. Not just that but cooked food destroys your taste buds, along with the pounds of salts and toxic spices. This is why people who eat cooked food need to cover everything in salt and spices, aka excito-toxins. After getting rid of all cooked food and salt my taste perception has become way more pronounced

Originally posted by Rawhemp

Yes?

Um no....

Originally posted by Majiq
It takes tools to makes the fabric, tools to do the stitching etc...

No it doesn't? Besides whoever said clothes were a necessity? The only reason i wear them is fear of being imprisoned

Ok, so tell us what clothes you own that require no tools? And clothes being necessary wasn't the issue, tools being necessary to make them was.

Originally posted by Majiq2. Your Home - Unless you live in a cave or something let me see you build a house with no tools. What kind of fool would even suggest that building a house "in no way requires tools"

You sound like the standard person who has absolutely no creativity, i could build a live able house out of sticks and leaves with nothing but my hands...

So you live in a hut made of sticks and leaves?

Originally posted by Majiq3. The food you eat - Sure, you could possibly grow food without the use of hoes, tillers, etc.. but your crops would be hardly worth eating.

Have you ever even grown anything?? What plant requires a till or hoe to make edible, or even delicious for that matter? I know every plant i eat doesn't

Yup, me and my brother live side-by-side and every year grow a garden together. I didn't say they would be inedible, I said hardly worth eating. Try going in your back yard next spring, and randomly dropping seeds in the ground. Then in the fall tell me how that worked for you.

Originally posted by MajiqNow, you want to explain to me which one of these countries have never seen or heard of a doctor?

www.healthyat100.org...

Don't worry when you get cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc. from your toxic diet I'm sure the doctors will be there to help you with more toxic pills to subside the symptoms. You clearly are sure of your self and have a very one track mind, good luck with that.

Ok, um... I gave you a list of the top ten countries by life expectancy, and asked which one had never seen or heard of a doctor, and your reply is a link to a book that has nothing to do with any of them? Is the author a doctor? What medical evidence is there to support the claims made by him? I mean, Anne Rice wrote best selling books about vampires, but that doesn't make their existence a reality.

This whole if i don't use a stove but if i use technology I'm a hypocrite crap is ridiculous to be honest. Technology that i can control has nothing to do with my health, food does. what is so hard to understand about that???

No it isn't ridicules it is a fact, and you are trying to put it out of context for those who have not read the entire thread. You said that we are not born with stoves so it is moronic to use stoves. If that is the case then it is moronic to use anything we are not born with. You ridicule others for using something that they are not born with, but then you use plenty that you weren't born with... That sir is the very definition of the word hypocrite.

As far as technology that you use having nothing to do with your health, that was already pointed out to you to be false in an earlier post. Technologies very well do affect your health, what is so hard to understand about that???

[edit on 21-12-2009 by Rawhemp]

Buy a slow cooker, solves most of the problems as you cook at lower temperatures.

Or quickly stir fry, to brown and flavour veggies.

I use a George Foreman for some veggies, leave them ina few mins to brown them slightly and heat em through.

Length of time cooking is also important. Low heat for along time keeps the goodness in. Don't boil food.

Or quick high temperature cooking to crips and brown the outside.

Plus meat in a slow cooker is fantastic, and it has been proven that if you cook meat in beer, wine or other alcoholic drink. It breaks down the parts of the meat that can increase your risk of bowel cancer.

Slow cook pork with cider, 3 days slow cooking, it's fantastic.

Sous Vide cooking allows food to be cooked at low temperatures for a long time. The results are amazing. Tasty food without the addition of too much salt. Nutrients are kept due to the low temperatures.

I run a restuarant and this is how we do things now... vac pack food, place in water bath until core temperature is reached, then flash fry.

Also placing raw fruit into vacuum bags and compressing them for several hours makes the flavours even more pronounced.

Again, lifes too short to woryy about this kind of thing. Eat a balanced diet and you will be fine.

reply to post by Rawhemp


I really disagree. I get that how life is improved is kind of on a person by person basis...but take a look around at how people live...not the ultra rich consumers, not the ultra anti consumers...but the middle ground.

We have proven that the best, yet simplest way to live is in fact with tools. They build our houses, they allow for our farms to be plowed and harvested.

You can't make a shirt without a needle. You can't make a button without carving wood or melting plastic.

I get that maybe you have found a way to live very simplistic, although I highly doubt it because you are using a computer...so either you frequent a coffee shop, friends or relatives place, or you own one but computers require many tools to function.

You may disagree with us, but please, do not insult us by calling us moronic for using a stove (tool) to cook food.

reply to post by Mr Knowledge


I am starting a website about natural living - do you mind if I publish your text? How does that go with ATS anyway, after posting here, do they have some rights also?

Mr Knowledge, please reply here or send me an email at [email protected]

Thanks.

I love raw potatoes too.
Some of them are really sweet.
If they are indigestable raw, I would have been in big trouble a long time ago.
When I was growing up, we always had chickens.
We ate raw eggs.
Never heard of Salmonella being in egg till recent years.
They could likely strop this at the source if they would put a little H2O2 in the bird's water.
Likewise we used to eat raw beef.
Never heard of bacteria being in it till recent years.
We never heard of bacteria being on raw veggies wither.
That is recent.
So what is going one with out food?
THey put enough poison on it; you'd think that nothing could grow on it.

Beware, Long, Slow cooking creates MSG. Maybe that is why you think it tastes so good. The long cooking process breaks down the molecules...something like cooking in alcohol? Maybe you should think twice about that.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by OhZone]

...unfortunately, I read somewhere that potato growers actually do not eat the potato they grow...they grow separately for themselves. The commercially grown potato has too much pesticide, since it is growing in the soil, soaking most of the poison.
I love potato and this is really bad news for me.
I agree with mr Knowledge that if something needs to be cooked, we probably should not eat it at all.

Fruit, Vegetable, Nuts. That's it. Including plants from the sea floor.

Fear tactics.

Cooked food is bad! Learn how to eat raw chicken with my book! Only 9.95$!!!

will those people who seem to dislike modern technology and convenience so much kindly move to Zimbabwe? so they can really experience what it's like over there instead of spouting off their ignorance on the interwebs.

Zimbabwe is this way.

don't like doctors and modern medicine? well, you'll just have to swallow your fear of flying on those newfangled iron birds if you don't want to row your little boat all by yourself as you go all the way to your land of choice.

don't like cooking? just goes to show how lazy modern man has become. no worries, i gots a recipe you might wanna try.

Kinilaw means to “cook” in vinegar. It’s not really cooking since there is no heat involved. But soaking fish or some other seafood in a strong vinegar solution turns the meat opaque and gives it a texture of having been cooked.

Kinilaw

say? you don't understand why early man started tossing his food into the fire? where do you think we'd be if they didn't? y'see, cooked food keeps for at least a couple of days. enough time to grab a couple of bites before heading off to hunt some more of that meat that tastes so good when it gets tossed into that red & yellow flower that can be found in areas where the gods have killed the plants with their fiery lightnings.

i guess that the first cooked meat that early man ate were victims of forest fires. no! they didn't cook (they were almost as lazy as some modern men). and they wanted to have food all the time but since they didn't have refrigerators then, they resorted to novel means of preserving their food like salting, rubbing acids on the meat, laying the meat out to dry and, yes! cooking.

so they cooked and they ate and small animals like wolves, and foxes, and lynxes, and rats started hanging out wherever there were humans. and humans observed that these animals chewed grass or leaves when they were feeling sick so the humans tried to do the same and discovered that those darn leaves don't taste so good. then they tried tossing those leaves into boiling water (no this story isn't about how pottery got started) and tea was born.

this story was brought to you by synapses that have benefited from a steady diet of delicious, cooked food for the better part of three decades. thank you, and good day.

Maybe some of the people that live to be 100+ know and use this info for their daily lives, but eho actually wants to live past 100 wouldn't it be painfull.

I don't dought that raw fruits and veggies are the best, I love'em. Heck, I even grow them. But, if what you say was totally true, my ma dad and umpteen aunts and uncles in their 70s and 80s should all be dead. They are not, and are in pretty good health.
On the other hand, if living to 2-300, then I am all wrong...but why would I want to live to 300 with no fried chicken, mashed taters and gravy, sweet tater pie. Come on, is that really livin' ?

Cooked Food Changes Chemical Makeup of Food, Creates Toxins, Severely Damages Nervous System, Causes Brain Cancer, Slowly Destroys Life Force, Major Threat To Human Evolution

On the contrary , Humans have already evolved to survive off of cooked and burnt food. This is a proven fact because humans have been cooking food thousands and thousands of years therefore humans that evolved to eat cooked food lived and reproduced, instead of dying. So you, I, and everyone else are living proof of evolution to survive off of cooked food.

So to say cooked food is a threat to human evolution, is misleading. Threat, no. A hurdle, yes.

Claim by claim.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
1. Destroys virtually all nutrients (depends on temperature cooked; the higher the temperature, the more the destruction; only safe cooking temperature is < 118 degrees)

Not true. At least, not "virtually all." You must be more specific hear if you're claiming that there is a widespread nutrient deficiency caused by cooking.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
2. Destroys All Enzymes

It denatures enzymes in food. Tell me why we care, if our body is to break the proteins down anyway?

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
3. Forms hundreds of Toxic Substances (450 found in an ordinary baked potato)

Perhaps true, but also most likely insignificant.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
4. Becomes a carcinogen (cooked meat)
5. Creates hundreds of chemical By Products (Waste)
7. Alters Chemical Make up of food

These are repeats of point 3.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
6. Accelerates The Aging Process

We don't even know what aging is, although we have ideas, and this is generally unproven. So you're talking out of your ass here.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
8. Destroys Food's Life Energy

Hahahaha! Okay. Speaking of talking our of your ass!

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
9. Leaves Body Vulnerable To Foreign Immune Attacks (Immune System is weakened when White Blood Cells Rush to The Intestinal Tract During Digestion)

I find this highly unlikely. Give a better mechanism and an estimate of how substantial this factor is.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
10. Causes Indigestion and Ulcers when Food Doesn't Properly Digest Due To Enzyme Destruction

I still don't get why you're worried about enzymes in food when you break them down anyway.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
11. Putrefies Intestinal Flora, resulting in Colonic Dysfunction and Toxicosis

Random claim, be more specific.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
12. Becomes loaded with Free Radicals

This is sort of true of high-temperature cooking...but do you even know what a free radical is? Either way, this is a good argument against CONSTANT high-temperature cooking but again, you have to look at the relative impact.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
13. Alters Water Structure/Content

Sorry, this is bull#. Full of #.

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
14. Creates build-up of mucus in the intestinal tract

Another random claim. Sorry.



You just keep repeating yourself and/or spouting silly claims without any details or evidence of your own understanding, so I will cease here.

The problem with raw food is production methods. The raising of poultry, beef, pork, or whatever in huge groups locked down and pumped full of all kinds of crap is a huge problem. Large production "farms" are a breeding ground for nasty little buggers that want to kill you.

It is my suggestion that if you want to eat any thing raw you go very very organic. Local produce and free range livestock. Fresh fish is good if you know whats in the water.