Spanish Astronomers Claim Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Sigh

Fior those that missed the original thread, I guess you also missed the all the contradictions of the article, so let me summerise.

1. The starviwer team are not astronomers, they are a bunch of people on a website that requires users to pay to use the site properly, and the site is not a trusted media outlet

2. Despite the millions of amatuer and non government observatories and telescopes around the world (not involved with NASA), only one claims to have spotted this

3. The article claims the object is the same distance from the sun as it is to earth. If this were true people would be able to see it from the ground.

4. Brown dwarfs can only be detected by infra red telescopes due to the surface of them not reflecting light in the normal spectrum

5. The brown dwarf images are of a supernova, all you have to do is google supernova and you will see thousands of similar images to the one used in the article

6. Even if it were a brwon dwarf, the image is taken in real light, which would contradict the existence of a brown dwarf

7. Nibiru believers always say its only visible from ther South Pole, which consequently would make it visible from the entire southern hemisphere where I live, and where Spain is not

I will just start here, said 1AU is distance of Earth to Sun, they said the distance of Brown Dwarf is between 60 and 66 Aus disance.

Another thing NASA has know about this since the 80s, they just didn't know what it was, or so they said.
It has only been seen in the infrared right now.
Is said they should have orbit figured out by Feb.2010 from data supplied.
Many times it is the novice who makes a great find, there was a young kid around 13 that told NASA they had made a mistake in a calulation, and he waas right NASA was wrong.

[edit on 20-12-2009 by googolplex]

Reply to post by OzWeatherman

I am going to be watching for more "Heaven's Gates" style antics come 2012... It's sad really.


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To be honest I hadn't even mentioned 2012 in my post, just thought it was an interesting article, but lets face it there is something large out there affecting spacecraft and the orbiting bodies and it does seem to coincide in with
Solar system changes that are occurring,
AHEM! alledged global warming caused by Co2
Lack of sunspot activity when they should be very active as stated by the PTB scientests,
Sitchins sumerian record seems to have been spot on so far with lots of new findings of archaeology, it does seem like the ancients were trying to tell us something with all the myths all pointing to the same date,
signs in the sky are increasing whether its being done by the state or something more mysterious (was thinking more along the lines of thunderbolts of the gods than the bible)
but at the same time it does seem like the PTB definitely want us to be thinking about 2012 and doomsday with all the MSM films and documentaries about it, which makes me a little uneasy about it as well.
Also UFO's are being mentioned more and more on MSM but not sure again if we are led down the garden path with regards to this as well or whether it is "disclosure" happening,
Still these are very interesting times and I love reading about it and make no apologies for loving the odd bit of doom here and there ,
unless it actually happens in which case ill pull my underpants over my head and cry like a little scared baby until the megawave, niburu, CME, Superquake, Asteroid, Comet or the mutant cannibals bop me on the head,
delete above as appropriate.

We need someone on ATS who is an Astronomer. Is there anyone on ATS that is an astronomer and can shed some honest light on the situation? I am going to school for Astronomy so when I graduate I am hoping the world is still here since I will be graduating in 2013. By that time I am hoping that I can be doing some Astronomy and they will let me know some of the secrets so I can relay to all ATS'ers.

Well, what gets my attention on this is the fact that the people who say it's a supernova claim that it would have to be about 150 years old. If this were the case, then surely there would be some record of it... 150 years wasn't that long ago.

On the other hand, the brown dwarf theorists make a a good point that it's gotten bigger because it's gotten closer.

Regardless, I believe time will make or break this one.

reply to post by OzWeatherman


You might as well be speaking to a brick wall Oz... you would have more luck instilling some rationale into it. Apparently trusting snake oil salesmen is easier than trusting all the combined observatories in the world.

It's easier to believe that 1000's of unrelated people are all in on the conspiracy than it is to believe that a few idiots from a 4th rate website are having a lend of them.


IRM

It is possible at least to me, a brown dwarf could be orbiting the sun and oslar system and not be detected. I rememebr watching voyager 2 at Neptune, on CNN, back in '89. Ingersol, jet propulsion laboratory member, had stated, the suns light at meptune is so dim, its equivilent, to a human on earth, in LA, looking at moscow with the only light around, a candle*
Neptune is averaged at 3 billion miles form the sun, and its that dark out thier...another star could easily then, hide on the outskirts of pluto, averaging 4 billion miles fromt he sun*

Originally posted by ziggy1706
another star could easily then, hide on the outskirts of pluto, averaging 4 billion miles fromt he sun*

So astronomers can find a planet orbititing around a distant star, but completely miss noticing a brown dwarf star relatively close to earth.....

reply to post by Sailor1

I have one question that everyone here (should) be asking, If this Brown Dwarf star's orbit is outside the kuiper belt extending to the Oort Cloud, what exactly is this BDS orbiting? There has to be something massive keeping it from entering our system if so, what is it? Or is this object really inbound and they don't want to start a panic.. Thoughts?

It is so far outside the Kuiper belt and even the Oort Cloud that it is near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. It is a long, long, long, llllooooonnnnnggggg way from getting anywhere near out galaxy.

Here is a rundown at Sky and Telescope

Originally posted by rnaa
reply to post by Sailor1

 

I have one question that everyone here (should) be asking, If this Brown Dwarf star's orbit is outside the kuiper belt extending to the Oort Cloud, what exactly is this BDS orbiting? There has to be something massive keeping it from entering our system if so, what is it? Or is this object really inbound and they don't want to start a panic.. Thoughts?

It is so far outside the Kuiper belt and even the Oort Cloud that it is near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. It is a long, long, long, llllooooonnnnnggggg way from getting anywhere near out galaxy.

Here is a rundown at Sky and Telescope

This thing is far from the center of Milky Way,the oort belt is about 200,000 AUs away from Sun the Sun's gravity should not even be effecting it.
This thing has come within 60 to 66 AUs of sun , it is coming into it's closest orbit of sun, this is why it is havig such effect on outer planets and sun right now
If it is indeed sister it will come much closer before retuning out past the oort cloud again.
And once the Sun starts to light this thing up, some time in 2010 it will become visable.

Originally posted by Sailor1
I have one question that everyone here (should) be asking, If this Brown Dwarf star's orbit is outside the kuiper belt extending to the Oort Cloud, what exactly is this BDS orbiting? There has to be something massive keeping it from entering our system if so, what is it? Or is this object really inbound and they don't want to start a panic.. Thoughts?

Yea it's obiting it sister our Sun, if it is 60 t0 66 AUs away now if traveling at around 100 miles per second, it should be Grand Reunion in about 3 years.
Nothing to worry about they say Gravity is very weak force.
But then again we must accecpt the Gravity of this situation.

There IS an anomaly in the orbits of the outer planets. That's exactly how Neptune and Pluto were discovered, maybe even Uranus. But the people who discovered Pluto were looking for the gravitational effects of a much larger body, but never found it.

The apparent irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were due to not knowing their masses precisely enough. This was corrected when Voyager 2 made its flybys of the two planets (in January 1986 and August 1989 respectively). It was discovered that Neptune's mass was incorrect by a factor of 0.5 per cent. When the new numbers were plugged into the gravitational equations, the irregularities vanished.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

I am going to be watching for more "Heaven's Gates" style antics come 2012... It's sad really.

Wow Watcher, that's one I sure havn't thought of. Morbid, and yet sadly
justified.

[edit on 21-12-2009 by randyvs]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment here and say the following:

Now.. there is so much we don't understand about the makeup of even our own solar system, and even back in the 1800's they had people claiming that there may or may not have been another object just outside the orbit of Pluto (or the 30s 40's I can't remember which right now and I'm too tired to go look it up) so to sayit's absolutely impossible is like saying it's absolutely impossible that the water levels are slowly rising due to the Earth going through it's normal, millions of years cycle of warm/cool, we can't say it with certainty so the debate rages on.

There may be something out there, weather it will come crashing into the Earth or as that nutcase Nancy at Zetatalk claims , stop our rotation for 3 days and make the whole planet skid to a stop, is highly unlikely, bordering on the outright insane. But it may be another glimpse into the wonder that is our galaxy and the heavens above that we could have missed.

Of course, this all could be lack of coffee talking.....

reply to post by Mogget


Another thing about neptune... its centre of gravity is not the centre of its mass... its very unique in this regard, and this particular item of interplanetary trivia has been responsible for great confusions in the past.

Jeeeez!

How many times does a guy have to make fun of this, and in how many threads, before it will slink away a die?

Be Gone, Silly Thread!

And Let Thine Ridiculous Statements and Grammar Hinder Us No More!

By Odin's Beard! No More, Shall The...

Brown Dwarf, interacting with Pluto and Bombardeando asteroids of Oort against Pluto and Jupiter

... Be Tolerated!!!
Source


[edit on 21-12-2009 by LASTofTheV8s]

Maybe I've been watching too much Star Trek but, is it possible that some kind of cloaking technology has been put in place to prevent us from "seeing" this theorized approaching planet x?

Maybe "they" don't want us to see it for fear of there being a worldwide panic. Maybe it's best for all of us if we are quietly led to the slaughter without realizing we're about to be slaughtered?

If UFO's exist and can cloak themselves, then why wouldn't they be able to cloak a small bit of space to mask an approaching harbinger of doom?

reply to post by coastalite


Well , I dont know that you would be able to see it even if it was there. From whats been said about it , the distance from the sun, and the fact that it gives off no VISIBLE light of its own, it might just be that the only way to observe this thing for the moment , is to observe it through extremely expensive government owned equipment.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

You might as well be speaking to a brick wall Oz... you would have more luck instilling some rationale into it. Apparently trusting snake oil salesmen is easier than trusting all the combined observatories in the world.

It's easier to believe that 1000's of unrelated people are all in on the conspiracy than it is to believe that a few idiots from a 4th rate website are having a lend of them.


IRM

Are all the combined observatories in the world looking for this?remembering of course that astronomers only look at a very narrow point in the sky at any one time, so probably would miss it if they werent specifically looking for it
and who are you too say that the people who run that site are 4th rate idiots do you know them?
Nobody is trustng any snake oil salesman, was just commenting that the article was an interesting read, but you obviously know everything so i'll bow to your 1st rate and all conquering knowledge,

Is this no longer relevant to Nibiru debate?