On Ancient Knowledge and Ascension..

Let me first say that this is simply a theory, but I have an extensive background in history, so I could possibly surmise that this is an educated one..

Also, this will officially be my first thread as a new member, so I hope to inspire some great open minded debate for the first time!

INTRO:

I had a theory recently when thinking of astronomy in particular, and how unbelievably genius all of our predecessors from different ancient civilizations throughout our time have gained knowledge of the stars and planets with only the human eye, and created glorious mathematics systems that still blow our mind today.

A perfect example: The primitive African tribe(from Mali), the Dogons, discovered thousands of years ago that Sirius, our brightest star in the sky, had a ''Sirius B'' that took 60 years to orbit. Only until recently were we even able to confirm that, because Sirius B is supposedly not viewable with the naked eye.. No one has been able to explain their ability to posses such information with such primitive tools.

Or how the Pyramids of Giza are perfectly situated under a certain few stars, which we find recently that the stars have moved slightly since 3000 years ago, but we know they built them for that reason nonetheless..

All these great civilizations and peoples that have contributed so much to the greater good of science and spirituality. I'm not saying we as a modern civilization havent had our share of wonders (going to space, great architectural marvels, etc) because we have, but this knowledge we have was aided by modern comforts and inventions. How much could you research with those same primitive tools?

THEORY:

My official idea is that, to put it bluntly, the ancient peoples of old didn't need such advanced technology because they made up for it with spiritual awareness.

The Egyptians, for example, would get up in the morning and praise the gods, and continued to throughout the day... no matter what. They didn't take a simple 30 minutes out of their day to chill out in front of the bed to pray a little. It was constant and we can tell this through the history they left us. The modern term ''devout'' would be nothing compared to the level of faith these people had in their gods.

Maybe these people could ''ascend'' themselves to a point where they can travel around the galaxy and map everything they put in their historical texts. (=P, as Star Trek would put it, its ''stellar cartography'') After all, the Mayans based EVERYTHING around astronomy, and the mathematics they created. Granted, alot was seen with the naked eye, but like with the Dogons, some of it had to be impossible, and astral travel/OBE could be a possible explanation. We normally wouldn't see this to be an option because, frankly, we arent in touch with our spiritual self as we'd like to be. Consumerism and the mainstream media do their part..

Give me some feedback, I've been holding this in for a couple days, dying to talk to someone about my theory.


[edit on 19-12-2009 by Tanulis]

Congratulations on your first post. A thought provoking one for sure.

I think you are partially right regarding the increased spirituality of the ancient people. But for them to believe in "god" or any supreme diety suggests to me that we as humans have been visited by other-worldly folk (ok aliens) who had seemingly great powers, who also imparted advanced knowledge to us.

So I think it is two fold.

I dont dispute that, that has always sat at the back of my mind as well. Have Aliens influenced the architecture? We have so much ancient architecture in the world that is totally unexplained.. perhaps aliens aided humans to create seemingly impossible architectural feats?

I wish I could prove any of this, but sadly, its only ever going to be speculation. *super sad face*

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Tanulis]

Originally posted by Tanulis
I dont dispute that, that has always sat at the back of my mind as well. Have Aliens influenced the architecture? We have so much ancient architecture in the world that is totally unexplained.. perhaps aliens aided humans to create seemingly impossible architectural feats?

I wish I could prove any of this, but sadly, its only ever going to be speculation. *super sad face*

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Tanulis]

It is already well believed that the sphinx in Egypt is much older than previously thought. They have found evidence of rain erosion in the rock, which means that it would have to be at least 1000-12000 years old.

I think, as do many, that an older civilization, (aliens, atlantis, whoever they may be) built the sphinx and pyramids. The Egyptians were influenced by this civilization, as were the mayans, and rebuilt and re-carved it years after this civilization was gone.

Just look at the sphinx from a side-view. It is so obvious that the pharoh's head was carved from an existing lion's head... that pharoh's head is the biggest pinhead you'll ever see!

As to whether or not they were enlightned folk or not... I certainly believe they were enlightened in some way, for their way of life was totally satisfied by their spiritual knowledge. Their praise to deities indicates to me that they were taught spiritual knowledge by others, but instead of using this knowledge to pursue their own enlightenment , they used it to praise the people who taught it to them. They had the skills, but didn't know what to do with them.

Read up shamanism... fascinating stuff.

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nice first post.

but about the Dogon. varius sources report the Dogon claim they were told about the heavens.


Our Forgotten History

Dark Star

and about the Egyptians, much is known about them ... yet much more is not known ... the empire was polytheistic and uncoordinated. but the religion of the preists and pharoas was a hierarchy much like Greece. thier system was shamanic and it's rituals conveyed the importance of the heavens and the ressurection of the soul.

either way it can be argued that the information witheld by these two cultures were founded and not developed independantly.




[edit on 19-12-2009 by notsympl]

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supposedly the Sphinx was built in the age of Leo, about 13000 years ago...

Good Job
Give LOVE to all the people in Cincy...
Agree - these civilizations are mere remnants of another mother culture; like Mu, Lemuria, Atllantis, or even one we have eyt to hear of.
Agree - these ancient peoples were in contact with, influenced by, or shared genetics with certain stellar races who also shared knowledge.
Agree - these people, or the beings interacting with them were very technologically advanced.
Speculate - they were probably also spiritually advanced...however, considering they are not here, and we have some sort of global amnesia, they either left voluntarily (ascension) or involuntarily (harvest) or were not as spiritually advanced as we may wish to believe... and we devovled to our current state to reach a new degree of spiritual advancement ~


LOVE

This is a most beautiful post and one that I think will pass most people by.

What you have just pointed out was the tragic loss of our true nature over the thousands of years after these civilizations passed.

We are glorious beings beyond our imagination. The only reason we don't see it anymore is because of our concrete Ego's that just won't let go of anything. Underneath our Ego's are immense human beings at the Primal level of emotion and Genius level of intuition and spirituality.

VIBRATE HIGHER.....see through your Ego's and you will be at the start of a wonderous journey of self discovery.

Originally posted by notsympl
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but about the Dogon. varius sources report the Dogon claim they were told about the heavens.


[edit on 19-12-2009 by notsympl]

Thats weird. I read that about the Dogons in a book called ''Mapping the Sky'', it was an astronomy book but it was kind of old, maybe in the late 90's. Before I made this post I checked a few different sources, one of which was obviously Wiki. *rolls eyes* I had no idea they were told about the heavens.

*feels like a dumb* =\

Before I made this post I checked a few different sources, one of which was obviously Wiki. *rolls eyes* I had no idea they were told about the heavens.

Sometimes site search can be a good idea, too.

As it happens, a really fine work-up of the Dogon controversy was posted right here on ATS, a few years back:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Dude already has stars and flags up the wazoo for it, and rightly so. Maybe you add one of each . (I did, anyway.)

[edit on 20-12-2009 by eight bits]

I never thought to use site search, since I just made 1 reference to them, rather than a whole post about them. Wow, thats an amazing article. I flagged and starred.

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Starred and flagged. Good post and good theory. I think mankind is coming to a new spiritual awareness, and new way of looking at themselves. It is clear to me that our spirits are trapped in an electromagnetic field, and are recycled everytime we die. We lose all of our former memories, but sometimes a glitch in the program causes on to remember clear images from a past life, this in fact happened to me. I think out power is rising, and we will soon be able to rise above the machine, as it were, and go forth.
How does that fit in with what you think, friend?

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Nice post S&F
I agree with you 100%.
Thousands of years ago many ancient cultures documented the movements of planets, stars, suns etc. They knew the earth was round, travelled around the sun and that the earth wasn't the centre of the universe. Yet a few hundred years ago we still thought the earth was flat! thank you Christianity for the Dark Ages where all this information was destroyed or hidden and lost.

Just under 2500 years ago they were discussing Atomic Theory

The great Democritus to a certain degree enlarged upon the atomic theory of Leucippus. Democritus declared the principles of all things to be twofold: atoms and vacuum. Both, he asserted, are infinite--atoms in number, vacuum in magnitude. Thus all bodies must be composed of atoms or vacuum. Atoms possessed two properties, form and size, both characterized by infinite variety. The soul Democritus also conceived to be atomic in structure and subject to dissolution with the body. The mind he believed to be composed of spiritual atoms. Aristotle intimates that Democritus obtained his atomic theory from the Pythagorean doctrine of the Monad. Among the Eleatics are also included Protagoras and Anaxarchus.

There is still so much out there that we do not know, and i believe that at one time in history we understood a lot more then what we do now.