Why is there Hell?

reply to post by LocoHombre


as his name speaks---loco-- why ask such a question when you never read the bible to find out what hell is????[its the grave dummie] so why not ask why we dont live forever nowhere in the bible [if you would have read it] does it say any of us are going to a place you think hell is. no no no ---if you would read the bible you would not asked such a question---get off your butT and read instead of wanting others to explain it to you---i can see-you are easly fooled--relying on others to do work. you are supposed to do FOR yourself--- WHO TOLD YOU THIS PLACE- HELL WAS FOR SINNERS TO GO TO- TO BE TORTURED----WHY DID YOU BELIEVE IT ENOUGH TO ASK SUCH A QUESTION----GO READ DELUSIONAL BROTHER AND MAYBE YOU WILL FIND THE ANSWERS INSTEAD OF SOME DUMMIE TELLING YOU BULL-- SORRY SO HARSH BUT YOU DESERVED THIS 1------------

reply to post by LocoHombre


Oh, this is an easy question to answer... So Obama and all of his Communist, Socialist, Nazi, New-age Climate change scum have a place to rot and suffer after they die!

Originally posted by henriquefd
If there was no Hell and only Heaven, people wouldn't really care to be good.

You need to understand one thing, evil men will do evil things and good men will do good things, only religion can make a good man do evil things.

reply to post by LocoHombre


are you sure repention is a word? It looks like an old english word maybe that isnt used anymore, but I cannot find it? can you give me a link to the defenition? I know this is off topic, so...

I do believe in God, but he is not "my God" he is the creator and I am not saying he is a man...I think their is a "supreme being, wether it be an irresistable force of goodness, or whatever, I cannot bring myself to believe that the miracles of life we see around us everyday are created purely by chance or coincidence.

if we could see the miracle of a single flower clearly, our whole life would change~the Buddha

Originally posted by intrepid
You're right, it isn't. In the Bible Hell doesn't exist for human kind. Troubleshooter nailed one version of "hell":

Another translation was "Sheol".

If I recall, we've had this discussion before, but I guess we could again if only for the audience present. Again, we can argue symmantics, but we have a clear description of what the eternal fire is and its purpose no matter what it is called in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek. Etymology doesn't trump a word's definition.

A thread titled such as this crops up every month or so, I swing on as time permits for the sake of newer folks.

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reply to post by itsawild1


Actually i do read. i've read the inferno, i've read El Ingenioso hidalgo Don Quixote de la Mancha, Moby Dick, etc, etc, etc.

Do unto others as you would have them unto you ~ Jesus.

CALM DOWN!!

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reply to post by AKARonco


Here's from Dictionary.com. . .

–verb (used without object) 1. to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often fol. by of): He repented after his thoughtless act.

2. to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent.

–verb (used with object) 3. to remember or regard with self-reproach or contrition: to repent one's injustice to another.

4. to feel sorry for; regret: to repent an imprudent act.

Origin:

1250–1300; ME repenten < OF repentir, equiv. to re- re- + pentir to feel sorrow (< L paenitēre to regret, be sorry); see penitent

also, i added -ion on the end because it is a suffix that denotes action.

hope that helps.

reply to post by saint4God


*sarcasm* Oh, i forgot. its a sin to think somethings funny. oh, lord jesus, forgive me of my sins!!!!

reply to post by LocoHombre


ok. whatever, I still say your wrong! there is repentance and redemption, not repention!

and i asked for a link for a reason- you could have typed in repent and got what you showed me. I want to know if repention is a word!

I have a question for you! Have you ever been in HELL?
dictionary.reference.com...
this is from your suggested site!



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reply to post by AKARonco


Oh yeah, it's repentance. sorry!

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Originally posted by LocoHombre
Ok, i've been tossing this around in my head for a while, so here goes.

If you are a Christian, and you pray to Jesus for repention of thine sins, why is there Hell? because, when you think about it, a lot of really religious people commit horrible crimes. like the corrupt midieval papacy, and a lot of simony and child rape that goes on today.

And if Hell is for the sinful, why pray for repention, because if you are sinful, you'll end up going to hell anyway!

the bible is constantly contradicting itself.

Hell, according to the Tanach, is the confusion that is caused by ignorance. The Hell of Christianity is taken from the literal belief in the Greek mythology of Haides and not from the Tanach (which it claims its foundation is). Just FYI

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reply to post by justamomma


That probably works. But even in Hades, the place for the pure and the place for the damned was the same place.

Pure went to Elysium (if memory serves, at least something like that)
Damned was all other Hades.

reply to post by kozmo


Obama is not a Fascist, Nazi, or whatever.
The Republicans keep calling him that because they can't say what they really want to say. I'll give you a hint. it starts with n and ends with er, and no, its not nation builder.

Hi. I've heard this question from many and asked it myself. Christ said hell was prepared for demons and for Satan, not for man. He was pointing out that it wasn't in His plan for us to go to hell. He shows His character as a loving God, imploring people not to deserve hell, not to be so hardhearted that they never bothered to feel bad about their sins, therefore never changed their ways through the process and relief of repentance. Saying you are sorry apparently is more powerful than we may understand, especially to Him.

reply to post by LocoHombre


BAH to your Obama drivel!

Now to redirect to the original post, and I do apologize that my cynicism nearly derailed the thread.

You've heard the statement "You can't have the sweet with out the sour" - same thing. Now if you believe religion is a conspiracy for control, then it is the threat of punishment. If you're an atheisist you believe Hell is the grave, a hole in the ground. If you are more philosophical, you may start examining the historical roots of the word, its origin and meaning and derive it from that. In all, just .02USD on the matter, it is the balance of all things - the yin and the yang, the day and the night, the hot and the cold - that balance that justifies the existence of its opposite.

There is only a hell if you think there is a hell.

Really, that's why they put it out there, in the hopes that people like you will grab on to the idea and create more of it for them.

All is consciousness, where the thoughts go, so goes the reality perceived.

reply to post by intrepid

The Hebrew Shoel was simply 'the grave'...
...there was no Hebrew belief in a conscious after-life...
...and their hope was in a God who could bring the dead back to life.

There was no real concept of resurrection until the Maccabeen period...
...who lived in the 'intertestment period (last 400 years BC)...
...they believed that if they fell in battle they would be resurrected...
...in the sense that their physical human bodies would be restored to them.

By the second temple Jewish period there were a variety of beliefs, much as there is now...
...the Pharisees believed in bodily resurrection at the end of the age and a transitional state in between...
...the Sadducees did not believe in a 'transitional state'...
...then there were Greek ideas from Homer.

An eternal burning hell concept was never a part of Hebrew thought and was only introduced into Christian ideas in about the 3rd Century.

The original Christian belief was based on the resurrection of Jesus...
...where there is a hint of a transitional state between death and resurrection...
...and the resurrection was 'transphysical' in that His fleshly body was 'used up' in the process of transformation beyond death...
...so that He appeared as a 'healed' Jesus that ate and could be handled...
...but was somehow 'interdimensional' passing through locked doors and appearing and dissappearing in remote places...
...while He was seen by more than 500 people.

The original Christian belief was that those who believed in Jesus and received His Spirit would experience a 'transitional state' and a resurrection at the end of the age into a 'transphysical body' like His...
...in preparation for eternal life on a transformed earth...
...everyone else would just die like animals and be considered as so much trash or road kill...
...which is no biggy because most non-believers/atheists expect this anyway.

The eternal burning hell idea was a Greek concept read back into earthy first century idiom.



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Originally posted by LocoHombre
Ok, i've been tossing this around in my head for a while, so here goes.

If you are a Christian, and you pray to Jesus for repention of thine sins, why is there Hell? because, when you think about it, a lot of really religious people commit horrible crimes. like the corrupt midieval papacy, and a lot of simony and child rape that goes on today.

And if Hell is for the sinful, why pray for repentance, because if you are sinful, you'll end up going to hell anyway!

the bible is constantly contradicting itself.

[edit on 17-12-2009 by LocoHombre]

Why are there prisons?

The bible isn't contradicting itself, the men who told you the story are.

What's true is every single man will die, every one of them forever, but life will go forward in children forever...this is eternal life....(cycle). Those who stop giving life loose the life....simple, apparent, real...the same since the beginning of the world.

Jesus said he is all men, all souls are his. Jesus the name is said "Self existent salvation". You are proclaiming this when you say Jesus...."Self existent salvation"....it is a verb and an action.

This is why so many will be fooled following an image of a man instead of being the man or woman and doing.

Salvation doesn't come, or the kingdom doesn't come by sitting around and watching. You give your life up when a child is born, this is bearing " the son of man".

This is truth. Proven real generation to generation. God makes all of us, he divides the cells, forms our bodies, with no hand assembling that is seen.

You yourself are a miracle.

Peace

" a lot of really religious people commit horrible crimes. like the corrupt midieval papacy, and a lot of simony and child rape that goes on today."


There is a special place in hell for these people. just because you can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven dosent give you a free pass to do what ever you want. you still must make an effort



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