Did you know:The explosion in Ryongchon was NOT caused by trains colliding

If you remember back to the story of the explosion at Ryongchon station, North Korea, where it was said that two trains collided and caused all the death and destruction. Actually it seems more probable that it was a small nuclear weapon, detonated in the underground caverns below the station that date back to the Korean war.

This site;

joevialls.altermedia.info...

has the full story and I can recommend everyone reads it. It is a very thorough and well thought out piece, it brings up points such as how can an explosion on the surface cause a crater 72 feet deep. And how did South Korea know 1 hour after the blast the number of deaths and the amount of damage caused.

a small nuke that explode the same way as conventional munition does ???
at least one railcar with conventional munition(materials) exploded in the railwaystation.
chainreactions with other railcars are a certain fact!
blast was enormous and explains the damage to infrastructures.

if it had been a small nukedevice exploding be sure the USA had noticed it by their satelittes !!

remember that russian u-boat with the exploding torpedo ??
the 2 explosions were RECORDED...
analyse of the recording showed that it could NOT have been a collission between u-boats or uboat/ship !
as a matter of fact is was first the smaller explosion of the malfunctioning torpedo and then the chainreaction onboard the submarine of other stocked explosives.

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by NOGODSINTHEUNIVERSE]

I'm failing to buy into Mr. Joe Vialls theory and conclusions.
I do not think that it was a nuclear device involved or mini-nuke incident. Residuals would have been detected in the atmosphere. They weren't from reports I have read. Mr. Vialls may be onto 'something' relatively close, though.

Also, I do believe that the North Korean's are not telling the truth on what happened and in what was being transported.
There are conflicting reports now emerging from the area that are contrary to what the North Korean's are and have indicated and reported.
Here's a better view of the crater:


It does not appear to be a crater that would have been created by or from a mini-nuke, though the blast area was enormous.
As was reported in this thread, in the last two pages:
Train Explosion in North Korea; 161 Dead & 1300 Injured

There are many devious/dubious questions to be asked. Here:
Japanese newspaper: Syrian technicians killed in Ryongchon explosion
Why were Syrian "technicians" on board NorK train that exploded?
Ryongchon Explosion Eight Times as Great as North Claims

Here is a site with a very good before and after photo analysis:
Ryongchon, DPRK: Train-wreck and Explosion
And a photo that asks multiples of questions:


And these farily recent articles mentioning:
N. Korean rail explosion foiled missile shipment to Syria
Source: Syrians With Secret CBW Material On Korean Train That Exploded?
Report: Syrians, 'equipment' were in N. Korea train blast
N Korea's information 'black hole'


seekerof

Noone to my knowledge ever said it was 2 train colliding.

The media coverage I saw on both US and EU news was that a train, loaded with some sort of chemical or furtilizer hit a power line and that caused the explosions.

Its left to doubt that it was just furtilizer or a chemical though, mainly due to the size of the explosion.

No 2nd train involved what so ever.

Also, a nuclear device is extremely unlikely, its actualy more likely to have been swampgas that caused the disaster then a nuke.

Theres no fallout, no detectable radiation, people run around at the scene cleaning the place up. At the hotspot of a nuclear explosion people would get pritty damn sick pritty fast.

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by thematrix]

With everything blown to bitts, I wonder how they figured it was an electrical wire hanging down that sparked the blast.

That claim was made by the North Korean's energy_wave.
I think that there are many media and intelligence sources that are questioning and/or debating that claim as dubious, at best.



seekerof

the cilindercontainer in the crater could it be:
-container for rocketfuel.
-part of a rocket (stage)

on craterpix left side of the sand of the crater looks normal but right side look scorched/burnt.

equivalent of 800.000 kilos TNT that's indeed a big bang !

and about the syrian advisors...were they transporting incoming goods (from syria ?) or...exporting goods (to syria ?)

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by NOGODSINTHEUNIVERSE]

Great post Seekerof


Thanks for all that info!
Yeah, I never bought the official explination, but never looked into it cause I didnt know where to go, now I can! LOL

Thank you.

Originally posted by NOGODSINTHEUNIVERSE
the cilindercontainer in the crater could it be:
-container for rocketfuel.
-part of a rocket (stage)

on craterpix left side of the sand of the crater looks normal but right side look scorched/burnt.

equivalent of 800.000 kilos TNT that's indeed a big bang !

and about the syrian advisors...were they transporting incoming goods (from syria ?) or...exporting goods (to syria ?)

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by NOGODSINTHEUNIVERSE]

Yeah thats what I ment with that that size of an explosion is very unlikely to come from furtilizer or chemical agents.

But still a nuke is even more unlikely because it would leave definate traces that would be picked up by satelites and NK's neighbours.

And don't you think the US would jump right on it if trough an accidental nuclear explosion they could prove North Korea to be a very real Nuclear threat?

NoGods,

Not too long ago, I posted some info about North Korea aiding Iraq, Libya and Syria in their pursuit of nuclear weapons and long range missles. You can read the original post here, but the gist of it was; that a Former Justice Department prosecutor, John Loftus, claimed on Fox news that a communication intercept by MI6 confirmed the link between the three Arab countries and North Korea.

Now, I find it interesting, that there have been at least two different links between Syria and North Korea in the news. Mr. Loftus could be wrong, he has been before, but I would give a lot of credence to the Japanese reports. After all, Japan's DIH keeps very, very close tabs on North Korea.

Anyways, back on topic... IMO: there doesn't seem to be any evidence to support the detonation of a nuclear explosion. However there does seem to be a clear Syrian interest in long range missles and/or nuclear tech. If this is true, then Syria could very well have had technicians aboard that train, to eyeball North Korean rocket components and fuel. And Rocket fuel can make one heck of a BANG!!

Originally posted by Eddie999
Did you know:The explosion in Ryongchon was NOT caused by trains colliding

Wow. Now I still don't know it.

an important question in this matter is as follows:

were the syrians training the north koreans to have them use the "rockets"

or

were the north koreans training the syrians to have them use the "rockets"after shipment to syria and finaly to be used in/against country "X" ?

If there is any training and exporting going on, it's North Korea training and exporting the Arab nations. North Korea has the technology and the expertise - the Arab nations don't. It is thought that much of this expertise was gained by North Korea from Pakistan.

www.freerepublic.com...

It is no secret that North Korea exports it's missile technology to un-developed nations. It does need the money, but it also thrives off the instability that the possession of such weapons create. Syria itself offered North Korea 100,000 tons of food in exchange for missile technology as far back as 1996.

www.washtimes.com...

cns.miis.edu...

www.clw.org...

www.spacewar.com...

www.fas.org...


In my opinion, the arms trading that North Korea undertakes is about the only thing keeping it's economy afloat. Export of weapons is really it's only income as the regime has absolutely no clue about how to run an economy any other way. Of course, UN/US sanctions don't help, but even before these were in place, the Jong regime had destroyed it's own economic infrastructure through incompetence.
It should also be noted that North Koreas second industry is though to be drug smuggling.

As for the explosion at the railway station? I too, find it highly unlikely that fertiliser could be responsible for the devastation caused. As far as I'm aware, fertiliser has to be altered to become an explosive. The ammonium nitrate which causes the trouble has to be mixed with another medium, such as a fuel oil.

www.newscientist.com...

were the transport(s) of golden ingots to syria PAYMENTS for womd ??