UFO Fleet Over Chile December 16,2009

Anyone tried to decypher the blindwriting yet?
Looks verry interesting and similar to blindwriting..

reply to post by Dave157


Dont worry about HappyFeet. Im pretty sure he was just sarcastically answering like "phage" or should I call him Arthur Mitchell (Trinity) !!!!

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At least you had the decency to post the right video which is the T-35 formation which is supposed to be representative of what's happening in this video. PHAGE did not do this even though he linked us to the page you got this vid from, instead he posts a video from Chicago night time flights. didn't understand that one....anyways....he seems well trained.

In my opinion this T-35 formation does nothing to convince me of the maneuvers which are represented in this video.

ESPECIALLY the one that maneuvers somewhat erratically top to bottom between the UFO's.

yes UFO's, as far as I'm concerned that's what they are, unless the Chilean military come out and explain these ones as well.

Oh and no, the Chilean military wouldn't want to keep information like this from the public, of course they would tell the people.


edit for spelling.

[edit on 17-12-2009 by Conluceo]

People are clearly trying to debunk this, but change ur video settings in ur player to get a better view (brightness & contrast) and than look at it, someting IS actually out of the ordenary (I'm looking at it frame by frame), let me show ya :

00:00:07 - 2 sets of lights (in a row) can been seen. Lets call the left set nr1 and the right set nr2.
00:00:08 - 3rd light beneath the other 2 appears
00:00:09 - that 3rd light has now become 3 lights an a row. Lets call that set nr3.
00:00:11 - nr3 in that frame is now the ones most left.
00:00:16 - now the nr3 is completely at the left side, and nr1 & nr2 are entangled so there is no way of knowing which is which, but that's not what I'm focussing on, it's nr3 which is going to do someting very strange.. in my point of view.. so moving on..
00:00:19 - look at the distance between nr3 and nr1&nr2.. relatively far apart right ?
00:00:28 - nr3 still has 3 lights and now ABOVE nr1&nr2 an new light comes into view, completely seperate from nr1 and nr2 and nr3. Lets call that one nr4.
00:00:29 - nr4 makes a counterclockwise circle down to nr3.
00:00:35 - nr4 is now between the left set of lights of nr3, and continues on its way down.
00:00:48 - now nr1&nr2 are the top lights in the frame, nr3 is the 3 lights in between, nr4 is the bottom light.
00:00:53 - nr4 is still continuing its counterclockwise circle.
00:00:58 - now as earlier stated nr1 & nr2 were seen at the same place at 00:00:16, so lets assume that the left set of lights is nr1 and the right set of lights is nr2. Nr3 is now in the middle, and nr4 is the bottom-right one.
00:01:03 - nr4 is now following nr3 upwards and going left compaired to nr1.
00:01:10 - nr1 and nr2 are moving of to the right. But i'm still only looking at nr3 & nr4, because only starting at 00:01:03 they started to look like to be "connected" to each other.
00:01:13 - nr3 and nr4 now are all together making a vertical line.
00:01:26 - nr3 and nr4 are starting to move to the right also.
00:01:28 - unfortunately the camera zooms in on nr1 and nr2
00:01:30 - only nr2 is now zoomed in (4 lights)
00:01:34 - a 5th light is now in view, it's just on top and between the 2 lights on the right hand side.
00:01:40 - nr1 and nr2 are now gone, the camera zooms out and nr3 (with of without nr4) comes into view.
00:01:44 - that nr3 now has 4 lights !!

Now what I can't figure out is : What type of aircraft (assuming that nr4 was actually all that time connected to nr3) can make that kind of a movement in the sky ? Because nr4 was making a complete circle counterclockwise.

I'm not making any claims here, i'm just telling you what can be seen in this video clip.

Would love to here ur view on this one

Originally posted by Phage
December in Santiago again? Time flies...and so do airplanes.
Time for graduation at the FACH Aviation School again.
forgetomori.com...

You can't see the nav lights because the quality of the video is so poor. I wonder if that's an accident.

[edit on 12/16/2009 by Phage]

A lot of times I disagree with your rational point of view on things like this ... today I tend to agree ... the Flight Manoeuvres do look very basic to me.

Wish it were UFO's tho

Phage, please just stop. It seems clear to me now that you've created a strong identity & reputation for yourself as the resident skeptic, and you probably feel obliged to maintain that identity, even if it means being completely illogical and unreasonable in your explanations. Please explain to me how an airplane can seemingly make a 90 degree descension and travel downwards in less than three seconds (0:28).

reply to post by Phage


That maybe a good explanation, but has NOTHING to do with above video, NONE of the objects are all moving in perfect formation in one direction... they stop, hover, split, come together, light pulse... planes don't hover in same spot then move left/right...

if you only put your effort into finding the "truth" rather then "excuse" we would get much further in our understanding conspiracy!

Originally posted by hermantinkly
Phage, please just stop. It seems clear to me now that you've created a strong identity & reputation for yourself as the resident skeptic, and you probably feel obliged to maintain that identity, even if it means being completely illogical and unreasonable in your explanations. Please explain to me how an airplane can seemingly make a 90 degree descension and travel downwards in less than three seconds (0:28).

I am not Phage but I could not resist to reply.

Phage is not illogical, hes not perfect either. From reading his posts it seems that Phage is the only one doing proper research. Most of you all are screaming out for help (or something), some form of plead that you all state that everything with a light in the sky is a UFO. To an extent that is true, anything in the sky is an Unidentified Flying Object, until of course when it is identified.

Knowing that these are planes gives you more of an idea of what to look for and what not to look for. Skepticism is healthy, I am a believer but I am also a skeptic (Like Mulder and Scully as one).

Phage provided information, what is illogical about that? It seems that people with no evidence that just cry "aliens" without investigating are the ones who are illogical.

The 90 degree turn, well... all I can see are white blobs of light in a really bad quality camera (why are alien videos always bad quality?). How can you make a judgment that these flying objects are actually making a 90 degree turn?

In a court, there is a law regarding video footage. It needs to be of a certain pixel, it needs to be clear in order to identify. This law exists for a reason.

EDIT: The formation you are seeing is the group of T-35's circulating the airfield as they are landing and need a clear runway.

[edit on 17/12/2009 by the_denv]

Originally posted by franspeakfree
Excellent thread and video thankyou for sharing it with us.

I have one query that I feel I must speak of, what is all this PHAGE business? I have been reading many threads now where the OP calls for PHAGE to debunk. Is this what ATS is coming to? Them against US?

I can see why experienced people have left this site and its a damn shame.

IMHO we all need to start working together on these issues.

I concur! You people are giving your power away to certain individuals to make decisions for You! Even if Phage is an expert (he seems pretty smart and does his research) the odds of finding truth calls for more "non-expert" then few "experts". So STOP relying on others to create your thoughts for you, THINK FOR YOURSELF! You can't loose, just have faith in your own eyes, be open minded to what others say but DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and come with YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING! then share...

Originally posted by freighttrain

I concur! You people are giving your power away to certain individuals to make decisions for You! Even if Phage is an expert (he seems pretty smart and does his research) the odds of finding truth calls for more "non-expert" then few "experts". So STOP relying on others to create your thoughts for you, THINK FOR YOURSELF! You can't loose, just have faith in your own eyes, be open minded to what others say but DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and come with YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING! then share...

I know what you are talking about, there are people that state they will not make an opinion until Phage arrives. It is sad, Phage might even agree.

I make up my own mind, and as for me - Phage just happened to post a link that led me to my own further investigation where I decided to believe that these were aircraft. At the end of the day Phage does contribute good sources and information, what is wrong with giving the man a bit of credit? Or do I sense envy amongst certain members that think Phage has a following or a cult (lol)?

Anyway, I thought I would just contribute that because I am an empath and would like people to see what my opinion is.

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Originally posted by freighttrain
reply to post by Phage

 

That maybe a good explanation, but has NOTHING to do with above video, NONE of the objects are all moving in perfect formation in one direction... they stop, hover, split, come together, light pulse... planes don't hover in same spot then move left/right...

if you only put your effort into finding the "truth" rather then "excuse" we would get much further in our understanding conspiracy!

What you are seeing is realtive motion, it accounts for everything you see in the video. The hovering? plane is heading toward or away from you, Spliting? there was one or more planes behind the lead plane breaking left or right. Simple really. Basically formation flying at night, nothing else, admire the pilots for their skill but there is no need to look for Aliens when Humans will do just fine.


Edit: Here is a nice little video that explains it nicely.

Perspective is everything

What is your point of view?


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The video posted here may or may not be the same objects posted by Phage. There are many similarities and many dissimilarities. Certainly, the airplane videos do not display the same elaborate maneuvers as appear in the "ufo" vidoe. The airplanes stay almost totally in a horizontal lines. The "ufos" are all over the vertical.

I have always wondered why an advanced race of aliens can conquer interstellar travel, but for some reason still need lights so they can be easily seen at night. I just don't get it. Perhaps someone can fill me in as to why the need sylvania's halogen lights on the front of their craft.

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how do you know it was a sylvania model ?

Originally posted by Happyfeet
Swamp gas.

It certainly would be likely to be terrestrial in origin, every saucer we have seen was not that bright and would fly in a decent formation, this is a clusterf%$k of white lights in a very disorganized, nonintelligent "formation" While I would like to know what this is, I do not think it is ET, though it might be bluebeam(insanely unlikely)

Swamp gas??? Where's the swamp? Don't scream swamp gas unless you can PROVE that there is a body of water in that area. And just so you know, ball lightening sightings are typically what gets associated with swamp gas. Ball lightening moves very erratically without any apparent direction or pattern and certainly doesn't move off in formation. Secondly, its very rare to see more than one sample of ball lightening within a given sighting.

Disorganization??? It looked fairly organized to me. They all came together and moved off in an almost equal distant spacing from one another to ensure passenger safety and then they all moved away in the same direction. If you find this to be disorganized, then I would love to see your idea of what organization is.

Personally, I have no idea what this is...but, I can definitely rule out "Swamp Gas" as an explanation.

reply to post by Thermo Klein


Mystery solved. Next.

Originally posted by Phage
December in Santiago again? Time flies...and so do airplanes.
Time for graduation at the FACH Aviation School again.
forgetomori.com...

You can't see the nav lights because the quality of the video is so poor. I wonder if that's an accident.

[edit on 12/16/2009 by Phage]

Although I agree with the portion of the article about the Santiago lights being aircraft, I don't agree with their perpetuation that the Phoenix Lights were flares. I have too many friends out there that saw the "actual" craft during the day just when the sun was going down. These people are not prone to exaggeration. So, although this article poses a certain amount of credibility within the first portion of the article, it completely loses it in the second half.

Ufo yes, aliens ? Aliens being what exactly? …Exactly..no one knows. These lights in the sky are just lights in the sky..I can think of a few ways to replicate this but as the “people” who did this wont say its just a “ufo”. And oh dear how the mind wonders and clings to a Belief in aliens and saucers which were presented to them in the image of science fiction and how they parrot it about is childlike….would like the “people” who wind up this toy (aliens and saucers) to just leave it alone and let people see things for what they are. They must laugh like retards which I reckon they are so don’t let them wind YOU up!!!

Originally posted by ggreg194
I have always wondered why an advanced race of aliens can conquer interstellar travel, but for some reason still need lights so they can be easily seen at night. I just don't get it. Perhaps someone can fill me in as to why the need sylvania's halogen lights on the front of their craft.

It's not that they need light; they ARE light! Some extraterrestrials travel in ships that appear to the naked eye as pure electromagnetic energy -- masses of pure light. Matter is light condensed to a slow vibration; these lightships are light in pure form, vibrating at a very high rate of vibration.

They can shift the frequency/wavelength of the light from a range that our eyes can pick up, to a range that's near microwave and infrared. This is why they sometimes appear to materialize/dematerliaze out of nowhere; why they can only be seen with infrared cameras at times; and why the crops in some of the crop circles are burnt and magnetized. Watch this in high-quality (filmed by member ufoorbhunter on The Tissington Trail in Derby, England): www.dailymotion.com...

I have seen these UFOs now many times here in Birmingham. I have embarked on a spiritual journey since my first encounter last year. They are responsible for a high incidence of sightings involving "orange UFOs" in England. Next time you read about one in the news, think twice before passing them off as Chinese Lanterns!





[edit on 17-12-2009 by hermantinkly]

it looks great but i doubt it's UFO's, but with what is happening in the would a late it would not surprise me if it turned out to be ET. but i have a open mind to an extent on this one.

We just have to keep our focus on the thing's we know are fact' like the fact we're on the brink of ww3 and the global warming swindle a copenhagen.

But i love the post and the video is great S&F from me on this one.