The Gulf Stream

As we know the Gulf Stream flows into NAC (North Atlantic Current).

The recent Gulf Stream's activity in 6 months shows that the stream moved ~1.2 degree south. The gulf stream is also working 40% of what it once worked. In case the gulf stream moves ~7.2 degree south it will instantly move south and NAC will fail. If NAC will fail , the even would be cataclysmic. The Arctic air masses would be free to pour south , and once they reach the overheated air masses , they will clash with them forming huge superstorms. The superstorms are still unknown to have an eye or no , but the storms will be really bad. Endless blizzards , snow , wind speed reaching 100km/h. Once the storms are over northern hemisphere will experience the very same ice-age it did 10000 years ago. It doesn't mean that weather would be better in southern regions. If NAC fails , the whole thermoline circulation might fail as well , which would mean climate changes not only north , but south as well. All this is caused by the imbalance of fresh and salty water in NAC , which appeared because of melting freshwater sources (Ice caps).

The Greenland's ice cores show that there has been an aburpt climate change already , dating back 10000 years ago , or to also known mini ice-age Young Dryas.

This is the Gulf stream (09 06 - 09 12). rads.tudelft.nl...

It is clearly seen that the stream has moved south. That is.. In only 6 months!

i have calculated the cataclysmic date for when the stream might change it's path , or stops. 2012 12 xx. Maybe earlier , it's not known yet. Yet still , this will not be the end. People will live , and most will adapt to the cold weather. There is also a date that gulf stream might stop at 2020 , but it's hard to believe that , since gulf stream is moving south very fast.

Please comment.

I've got more information about what is going on.

The next Ice Age could take only weeks to engulf Britain. Scientists say the last great disruption to the Gulf Stream 12,800 years ago took only a couple of months to trigger a massive plunge in temperatures across Europe.

Scientists confirm unexpected Gulf Stream slowing.

Everything is happening already , slowly , but happening.

Wasnt this covered in the Day after tomorrow, funny I was just thinking of the same thing after watching 2012. No one seems interested in the current anymore and it could be the doom bringer the wbbot has been waiting on

I love cold weather, 20's in shorts and a tshirt, but I wouldn't love what would happen if the NAC failed. We are talking about winters with temperatures around -25F in Miami, FL. Don't forget that Nor'Easters will probably reach Venezuela. The storms that the arctic get will move south into Mexico. In Europe the weather in Greenland will be the weather in Malta. In Asia the weather in Siberia will be the weather in Shanghai. It will be bad for everbody, it will even snow in Cairo and Mecca.

www.iceagenow.com...
Great info. thanks for posting it
The above link will take you to a website all about the coming ice age.
The Gulf Stream plays a major role keeping the east coast U.S. and Europe warm.
www.newscientist.com...

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I've got even more information.

The rubber duckies were tossed into a hole in Greenland's ice by NASA three months ago as a way to track how the polar icecap is melting. So far, however, they haven't seen signs of any of them.

Are they kidding us? Sending rubber duckies to save the north? So what next , they will send lolipops to see if NAC is in danger?

The government seems to forget our world's "climate superpower" (NAC) and now they are looking forward to 2020? We are already out of time even to make long-term preparations , all we can do now is store some food and energy.

Not to worry, just ask the corporations and their mindless servents and they'll tell you that none of it is real. There is no climate change. They know cause they saw the emails.

Here is a very good article from physorg that illustrates just how little we really know about greenland melting.

www.physorg.com...

The dynamics of the ice sheet on Greenland - and the much larger ones on Antarctica - were not included in sea level rise projections by the U.N. expert panel on climate change in 2007 because the phenomenon was poorly mapped at the time.

The picture of what happened in Greenland is just starting to come together, and scientists are still in the dark about how the underlying causes were set in motion, how much was owed to natural variances and how much to man's tinkering with the global climate system.

"This is like medical science in the 15th century," says David Holland, director of the Center for Atmosphere Ocean Science at New York University. "It's going to take a while to find out what's going on with the patient here."

"It's a little embarrassing to know so little," says Ian Howat, a glaciologist based at Ohio State University. "We won't know it's going until it's gone. It feels like that a little bit."


A bit off topic but...

Did anyone else watch "How the Earth was Made" last night on History Channel?

Geologists have uncovered overwhelming evidence that the Sahara switches from desert to lush green like clockwork every 20,000 years due to a regular slight wobble in the earth.

This last occurred about 5,000 years ago and during the green phase the Sahara contains many large "mega-lakes" and river systems that account for the largest reserves of fresh water on the planet.

They emphasized that the discovery was made by geologists and that climatologists had no idea of this natural cycle before.

It was one of the most amazing geology programs I have ever watched.

www.history.com...

Africa's Sahara Desert is the size of the United States, making it the largest desert in the world. It's also the hottest place on the planet. But now an astonishing series of geological discoveries has revealed this searing wasteland hides a dramatically different past. Scientists have unearthed the fossils of whales, freshwater shells and even ancient human settlements. All clues to a story that would alter the course of human evolution and culminate in biggest climate change event of the last 10,000 years.

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The most astonishing about the sahara transformation was how prominent weather patterns appear to remain fixed in place even though the earth shifts beneath the atmosphere. The heavy rains that fall on equatorial africa fall on the sahara when it moves south due to the earths wobble.

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6 months of data is not enough. this could just be a seasonal shift.

Not to worry, just ask the corporations and their mindless servents and they'll tell you that none of it is real. There is no climate change. They know cause they saw the emails.

Well , you are wrong. The e-mails were about GW (Global Warming) which in fact IS real , but no because of carbon. Let's admit it , sun got more stronger as ages moved by. It's the sun that is now warming our climate which makes Ice caps to melt very fast.

Climate change has happened numerous times already. Younger Dryas (Little Ice-age ~10000 years ago) was caused when a freshwater lake in North America burst it's fonts and poured into North Atlantic stopping the NAC. Since the stop of Gulf Stream , could trigger a fail at NAC which could even make the Thermoline Circulation fail. If the circulation fails then it would be a global little ice-age.

6 months of data is not enough. this could just be a seasonal shift.

Not likely. There have been reports of the Gulf Stream moving unussualy to the north. The 60% power reduction over about ~20 years , a little more maybe , proves that something IS wrong the stream. I will keep an eye on the information I can gather and I will watch the stream.

reply to post by setuxas


Have you ever seen this article from the BBC: link "Warming could bring colder UK winters" Thursday, 13 November, 2003

"It is the Gulf Stream that allows us to live the way we do. But now scientists have found evidence that the current that carries the protective Gulf Stream is slowing down - and may even stop.

Dr Bill Turrell, from the Marine Laboratory, Aberdeen, has measured a drop in the salinity, the first warning sign that the current might collapse. "

I'm sure I saw this scientist featured on a (BBC?) documentary sometime (there's a link to a BBC Horizon documentary on that page - that might be it?).

It certainly stuck in my mind, keeps making me wish we heard more, proportionally, from our 'leaders' on preparing for such events/outcomes, which may be short/medium term threats, vs: altering the course of medium/long term emissions - which could well be radically cut by say - oh - er a surprise loss of NAC/GS?

Anyone got any updates on salinity change research?



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Please those of you who have been posting on this topic please keep posting any updates. I am very interested in this subject every since I read Art Bell`s book The Coming Global Superstorm which everybody said was crap. Now maybe not so much so?
I have seen a change in the weather in the the last few years where I live, Ohio. So yes I will be watching this thread for new posts.

Got more news :

Upper North Atlantic mixed layer already 0.5 C colder and fresher than in any winter since the inception of Argo.

During glacial times, reduced circulation caused the climate to cool.

We must keep an eye on the stream , because I see it is becoming quite unstable. If anyone has some news , please report them quick , because the stream might grow to a global problem.

HOLY S**T

Normal - rads.tudelft.nl...

09-11 - rads.tudelft.nl...

09-19 - rads.tudelft.nl...


It stopped.. For 8 days...

Originally posted by setuxas
HOLY S**T

Normal - rads.tudelft.nl...

09-11 - rads.tudelft.nl...

09-19 - rads.tudelft.nl...


It stopped.. For 8 days...

Thats nothing unusual actually. Although it is a relatively new phenomena, only discovered in 2004. Thats more likely the reason for the influx of less saltier water, as if its not moving, the evaporative cooling process which changes the warm water to ice, leaves out the salt. When the gulf stream stops, the evaporative cooling process also changes.

During the month of November 2004, the Gulf Stream was said to have stopped for ten days. Scientists were puzzled by this behavior. Scientist Harry Bryden of the National Oceanography Center, declares, "We'd never seen anything like that before and we don't understand it. We didn't know it could happen." Lloyd Keigwin, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution described the event as "the most abrupt change in the whole [climate] record". Kiegwin adds, ""It only lasted 10 days. But suppose it lasted 30 or 60 days? ... How can we rule out a longer one next year?". However, the whole affair was the result of measurements showing that the meridional overturning circulation actually seemed to have slowed for a while.

By the way, that entire superstorm theory isnt exactly accurate, as the gulf stream is not the only thing that need to be altered. There are prominent ocean currents in the pacific, and Indian oceans that also need to change, niot to mention the El Nino and La Nina weather patterns, and the southern oscillation index. In my opinion it is possible for long term colder than average winters, but Art Bell and Whitley Striebers idea of deep low pressure systems behaving in the "Day after Tomorrow" matter is pure speculation (and fantasy)

If Gulf Stream would fail , the NAC would fail , since GS is the only thing that goes up north and shatters into other streams forming NAC. We've seen horrible weather changes all across the north. It is snowing in some countries for the first time ever , and the temperatures are unussualy low. Weather in my country is extremely weird , since such temperatures have were very rare and lasted a day. Here we experience -16C for more than a week now , it snowed only two times during whole period.

I am sorry if you deny the information , but you can't deny the VIEW. You can't deny , that the world is cooling.

Last time the Gulf Stream/NAD failed was the 8.2kya event. Temperatures across Europe plummeted by ....... 1c

So, thans to recent warming, worse case scenario is we'd see cooler summers like we had in the 1970s. Big deal

Thank you ozweatherman for explaining. Could you tell if these superstorms are possible? What would cause them and could it happen really fast? What could alter our weather to that extreme?