Previously undiscovered ancient city found on Caribbean sea floor

reply to post by D.E.M.

"I call shenanigans. You can see the hand tool from Google earth in the bottom of one of the "images". "

you are right.......google have a patern on that little hand....nobody else can use it.....lmaol
just open a pic with media player and zoom on it.....wow a little hand

peoples see bunk everywhere...

its not just the beleiver that see what they want to see...

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Originally posted by hornyana_jones
reply to post by D.E.M.

 

"I call shenanigans. You can see the hand tool from Google earth in the bottom of one of the "images". "

you are right.....

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No offense, but give credit where credit is due. I gave hat information and not even one person gave me the credit. Im actually getting quite tired of all this nonsense.

ALL Members: Please read the full thread before posting. This reminds me of "wtfhuh"'s thread regarding the Norway Spiral. He (wtfhuh) made a lot of discoveries and some other guy started another thread and stole all of "wtfhuh"'s information claiming it as his own research.

A lot of you will not relate to what I am saying, but people like "wtfhuh" will. People put a lot of effort into researching a subject, then they get quite angry when someone comes along and steals the credit.

reply to post by the_denv


credit for what?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by McGinty

 

There was this guy named Plato who had something to do with this whole Atlantis business. Y'see, he concocted the Atlantis story during a debate on his work, Republic. Atlantis was the archenemy to his perfect republic - Athens - and by its essential nature, was goingto be the opposite of everything Plato was writing about in his Republic. So yes, Atlantis, as told by Plato, would have been a monomaniacal tyranny where the poor were slaves and the rich inherited the rights to abuse them, a ruthless, militaristic monster... who handily gets its butt kicked by plucky, perfect little Athens.

And then the gods smash up Atlantis just for good measure. More likely Plato added that part (and hte whole thing about it being hugely ancient history) in order to nip any historical arguments in the bud.

One wonders if he also included a disclaimer that all resemblances between his personal evil Empire and Sparta are entirely coincidental and unintentional, yadda yadda yadda...

Yep, sounds like Plato went to LA, alright - It's certainly the soul of the current tyranny, still desperately promoting the myth that 'Captain America' has a heart of gold. Where's a plucky Athens when you need them.

Originally posted by the_denv

Originally posted by hornyana_jones
reply to post by D.E.M.

No offense, but give credit where credit is due. I gave hat information and not even one person gave me the credit. Im actually getting quite tired of all this nonsense.

ALL Members: Please read the full thread before posting.

Hey Denv,
No offence, but you're claiming credits for something D.E.M. posted before you (1st page, 5th post or so). May I suggest you read the full thread before posting?



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reply to post by Movhisattva


i think it is you who need to read all the text befor replying

i wasent agreeing with d.e.m i was bashing the idea that you can find that little hand only in google earth

that little hand is avalable in almost any imagery software

It looks like common jpeg compression artifact or pixelization to me.
(i.e., it's not really there).

reply to post by hornyana_jones


Euhm, with all do respect Hornyana: I was addressing the_denv, who claims credits for his post about noticing that hand in the picture, while actually D.E.M. mentioned the hand first...
There is no relevance at all with your post (except for the fact you made a reply on D.E.M.'s post). Or am I losing logic here? (I was just picking in on a little off-topic side discussion).


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reply to post by GideonHM

The real reason to call bunk on this is the article itself.
Where is the team mentioned? Where is information about them publishing their findings in a reputable journal.
Where is information about reaching the team to get more information.
It's not there.
No underwater archaeologist would ever let information like this out without maximizing the press potential, especially if they were freelance. And if they were associated with a university there'd also be links to more infor or at least a communications division to call to get more information.
It's baloney.

reply to post by Movhisattva


no.no your logic is good

my wrong i just reply to wrong one

denv was accusing me of taking credit for finding the hand

but i was not taking credit....i said that the hand is not own by google earth

almost any imaging software use it


and you dont need to invent evidence to see that this lost city story sound a little fishy

trust me im not taking credit for a comment with no thinking being...lol

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They've released more sattelite photos that are unfiltered. I'm maintaining a healthy dose of scepticism on this, but if true this would be very cool!

www.heralddeparis.com...

quite obviously jpeg artifacts

reply to post by GideonHM


Then show us more than some crap-tastic images from a website, like getting actual archaeologists down there to map the place out, and we'll talk.

The problem isn't debunkers debunking, but believers believing without any evidence. That's irrational, and rather sad. If people actually waited until it made sense to believe there is something to these claims, then people wouldn't have to point out the irrational behaviour.

reply to post by the_denv


So you're saying that the researcher is hoaxing the news company with Google Earth pics, or that they're both in on it? If it's the former, the news company needs professionals that can tell this kind of thing. If it's the latter, why would they use Google Earth pictures instead of trying to generate something more substantial and believable?

I agree that they look just like what you say but I would like to see distinct proof that their program is indeed Google Earth. What would be the purpose of this hoax? If it's to ultimately generate funds this would be a terrible way to do so. If it's just for sh ts and giggles, it seems a little elaborate to be using Google Earth pics.

What's going on here?

I would also like this to be true, so the only information we have to go one starts with google

and you find this

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es alexander-linkedIn

I added the bold to accepting innovative marketing inquiries.

interesting to say the least, if true that is.

also interesting if he is committing fraud.


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reply to post by solomanskey


Well, if we're on the subject of reading through threads and giving credit where it's due, I posted this already

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Several years ago there was a very much adult artist from the Seattle area that hoaxed us about three or four times on other sites. He was good!

He first built up a page that supposedly was from a reputable source that had a machine display of an electronic signal supposedly from outside our world. To pull it and other attempts off, he had built, in one instance a web page for "Indianapolis University"--which does not exist in reality. You could go there and click through three or four pages of ad building with a large satellite dish on it, study courses, peoples names, pics, etc. It was totally bogus. But for the causual viewer, you would believe it. It seemed to have credibility. The guy went to a lot of work to pull these tricks on us. But it taught me a very good lesson. Some people are driven to con other people even when they get nothing out of it but the satisfaction of having done it.

This particular one here was so crude than anybody could easily at least suspect it was bogus.

But the lesson we learn--or should learn--is that too often we let what we want to believe cloud our brains from working as they should. Some of you should look back over your responses here and see how you just went hog wild in what you said based on what you want to believe. For those of you in that frame of mind, you are little different than what is commonly called the folks in the oppposite camp, the "sheeple." Perhaps a name for this side of that type of blind acceptance could be the "greenies?"

(For those that doubt where I stand, see my earlier post on this thread.)

Originally posted by Parallex

I hate to burst YOUR bubble - the coastline around Istanbul does indeed have submerged ruins, exhibiting linear patterns because there ARE sunken streets etc. Cairo in egypt is not near the coast??!?! I take it you mean Alexandria? If so, the Pharos lighthouse and a large area of urban sprawl from the classical era are located under the water on the coast. South Africa has many uninvestigated ruins and unusual phenomena on it's coastline and on land - it doesn't mean they aren't real!

Open minds folks, not closed ones.

The Para.

First, I must point out that I have a fascination with Atlantis. In fact, you could call me an atlantophile. So, I more than most would benefit from such a great find. Yet, here I am...calling BS.

Secondly, did you even check these sites yourself on Google Earth? In neigbouring sections the seabed can clearly be seen through the water above....yet no continuance of the 'ruins'. They stop at a ruler-straight boundary that continues through the surrounding land area and is quite obviously what you'd get from two photographic sources of varying quality.

Yes, I know that Cairo isn't on the coast but it is near enough to use as a starting point. In other words, I meant for people to check the coastline near it and I assumed that people would have enough sense to do so. SO, to be exact, the scan artifacts I mentioned for this area are slightly northwest of Idku, Al-Bahairu, Egypt. And the ones for South Africa are centered around Keurboomstrand.

Look, go on Google Earth and check out what I've said for yourself. If you still doubt after checking my 'references' and can provide definitive proof against my 'theory' then I'll acquiesce. Until then, what you are saying amounts to nothing more than opinion.

I know that we are frowning on nay sayers these days, but this just looks ridiculous.

To suggest that a city of that size could have existed for so long in the Caribbean and never get itself mapped on a US oceanographic survey or a sonar imaging scan is just plain unbelievable.

I don't buy this for a second.

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reply to post by davesidious


I can point to several BILLION who believe without evidence...i think they call it faith.