UFOs and religion have no connection, none!

Originally posted by Gazrok

The Shrike: You can't counsel the mentally-conditioned. They're in a non-realistic display so they cannot arrive at reasonable conclusions because they can't employ reason, common sense, and logic. Only those with an encumbered mind can do so.

The thing to realize though, is that for many who are religious, it is not just a belief system, it is their reality, so expecting them to divorce themselves from that reality simply isn't going to happen.

The Shrike: " I don't disagree with your statement because I've said the same thing from the very beginning. I understand mental-conditioning, I was an excellent hypnotist. I've also added that cult deprogrammers know how difficult it is to deal with cult members who are mentally-conditioned."

They will frame their experiences within that world view. You are ASSUMING it is an incorrect view, and you may be right, or they may be right...we simply don't know. Einstein certainly believed in God, would you decry him as ignorant?

TS: "We, the clear thinkers do know. We can see that our world view is the correct, clear, superior one. Anytime you don't have to carry mental religious baggage you're ahead of those that do. Einstein was a genius but a mentally-conditioned genius nevertheless. He wasn't an atheist. But you're wrong about him believing in god. He said: 'I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.'"

That said, there's no reason this subject can't be calmly discussed without nasty personal attacks (or attacks on the membership as a whole)...(it only weakens one's position anyway....), so I'd ask that all participants please adhere to this basic condition of the site....

There is also the possibility that such beings (or even just craft sightings) appeared to ancient man, and were thus thought of as gods. In this case, UFOs and religion would most certainly be "related"...as it could have been a direct influence (for all we know....we simply don't know)....

TS: "The problem with your definition is the use of the word "religion." Presently, religion means a belief in a god that controls all humans and their actions. A god that is claimed to have sent a human son to die for every human's 'sin' as if such existed. We're not talking about the awe that must have been expressed by ancient man. No one wrote down how they felt if they witnessed UFOs. I highly doubt that they did. Present religion: jewish, christian, protestant, mormons, muslims, hindus, buddhists, etc. These are all modern religions. The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, etc., all had their gods which have nothing to do with modern religions and yet they're all gone. I do not accept that there is any relation between any religion, past and present, and UFOlogy."



[edit on 27-4-2010 by The Shrike]

Originally posted by BlueEyes
During the latest years the UFO parts of this forum has become full of threads and answers regarding religion. Personally I would prefer if they kept that part of the discussions in the mythological beasts or somewhere similar.

I totally agree with you and I've done my dammnest to bring this to the attention of TPTB. This is the reason I started my thread, hoping that there would be less religious bs but my thread nor my point of view has had any effect on the overall. Look at the threads that are popping up even as we speak, starting off with god! Religion is ignorance.

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yessss!!!!!! we are along the same line of thinking my friend!!
ive been droning on and on about how religion is a tool to control the masses!!

but back to the OP ive seen UFOs but it doesnt mean that they are necasarilly aliens they could be government projects
but they could also be aliens but who knows

a ufo doesnt havae to be alien because ufo means unidentified flying object, nothing more nothing less

yes myths and religous texts can be interpreted with an alien twist however i really dont take any of them too seriously
and i really doubt ufos are demons and all that garbage
why people believe it ill never know

im just going to say most ufos are probably secret milatary projects

Originally posted by ashanu90
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yessss!!!!!! we are along the same line of thinking my friend!!
ive been droning on and on about how religion is a tool to control the masses!!
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Good to have a like-thinker join the thread. We share one though: we try to explain that we are aware that the masses are being controlled. Unfortunately, our audience is the masses and we are, by default, unable to help them see the light. The only way it could happen would be for a mass hypnosis which would, unfortunately, take possibly years to accomplish. So, imagine how difficult it is without the mass hypnosis!

Perhaps you should check out the new history channel series Ancient Aliens. The first episode called "The Evidence" was fairly good but I thoroughly enjoyed the 2nd episode called "The Visitors". It did a fantastic job of compiling what is called "myth" and presents it in a way that is IMHO quite believable. If you click the following link the website will load up. www.ninjavideo.net... Then you only need to click the (Click here to launch the NinjaVideo Helper Beta 0.3.10) link and it will open an applet so the movies can load instead of just 404ing.

[edit on 4/28/10 by ElijahWan]