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Before you ask another pointless Freemason question...
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This site is a treasure trove of information ranging from speculation to fact in all areas, yet it is very common to see pointless questions
specificaly relating to Freemasons pop up as thread titles. Many members have spent a great deal of time doing research on the topic of
Freemasonry.
Below I have compiled some great places to start as well as some links for your reasearch, the key word there being your. Take some time and do some reading and I think you'll find quite a bit of referance material to dig through. To put it more blunt...if you do even the smallet amount of reasearch before asking another silly masonic question you might find your answer.
Now this is not a masonic index thread as there is already a great one which happens to be my first link, rather this is a road map or sorts in hopes of guiding members in the direction of self educating on the subject. I'm not ranting here, I'm simply dissapointed with the obvious attempts at attention getting by some members by posting threads with titles reflecting the absence of even a modicum of rational substance.
I will not post links to said threads as I am not attempting to "front" out anybody, any and all can spot these threads with ease. So I'll beguin with the first link listed below, this is a great index covering secret socieities and contains many links for one to review.
Secret socieities index thread.
A post from the thread Reccommended Books.
Originally posted by Choronzon
Freemasonry and Knight's Templar:
"Born in Blood" by John J. Robinson
"The Hiram Key" by Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas
"The Royal Secret" by I. Edward Clark
"King Solomon's First Temple" by E. Cromwell Mensch
The above posted links are a great place to start even if you have zero knowledge of the Masons and what they do.Remember also that many members here are Masons and some are very happy to answer appropriate questions (some things they are unable to answer like the obvious..."what are the masonic secrets".) Just U2U any of these members whom have included masonic icons in their avatars...most are easy to spot with the compass and square being common some have a "G' and some don't.(an example is given below)
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9c233a65106e.jpg[/atsimg]
As with any reasearch project it is crucial to be objective in the approach, don't allow yourself to be prejudice with preconcieved notions that come with ignorance such as "freemasons worship the devil" There is a big difference between what counts as fact and what amounts to pure garbage when it comes to Freemasons. Most of the anti Masonic establishment would gladly have you believe these things sight unseen.
With any luck, you may choose to seek membership( for the right reasons) in this fraternity. In this case a petition to your local lodge and a belief in a supreme creator within the realm of your understanding is all you will need. It should be noted that most librarys also carry an extensive amount of works by various authors on the subject, both pro and con and it is reccomended that you do as much reading on the subject as possible in order to gain the right perspective.
As stated before, this is not an index thread only a subtle "nudge" in the direction of information so use it as you will, do some reading and some research and hopfully enlighten yourself in the process. I after you do some reasearch, you still believe the Masons worship the "devil" or sacrifice babies...Then so be it ( I think you'll find a lack of evidence to support either)
[edit on 14-12-2009 by alyosha1981]
[edit on 14-12-2009 by alyosha1981]
Below I have compiled some great places to start as well as some links for your reasearch, the key word there being your. Take some time and do some reading and I think you'll find quite a bit of referance material to dig through. To put it more blunt...if you do even the smallet amount of reasearch before asking another silly masonic question you might find your answer.
Now this is not a masonic index thread as there is already a great one which happens to be my first link, rather this is a road map or sorts in hopes of guiding members in the direction of self educating on the subject. I'm not ranting here, I'm simply dissapointed with the obvious attempts at attention getting by some members by posting threads with titles reflecting the absence of even a modicum of rational substance.
I will not post links to said threads as I am not attempting to "front" out anybody, any and all can spot these threads with ease. So I'll beguin with the first link listed below, this is a great index covering secret socieities and contains many links for one to review.
Secret socieities index thread.
A post from the thread Reccommended Books.
Originally posted by Choronzon
Freemasonry and Knight's Templar:
"Born in Blood" by John J. Robinson
"The Hiram Key" by Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas
"The Royal Secret" by I. Edward Clark
"King Solomon's First Temple" by E. Cromwell Mensch
The above posted links are a great place to start even if you have zero knowledge of the Masons and what they do.Remember also that many members here are Masons and some are very happy to answer appropriate questions (some things they are unable to answer like the obvious..."what are the masonic secrets".) Just U2U any of these members whom have included masonic icons in their avatars...most are easy to spot with the compass and square being common some have a "G' and some don't.(an example is given below)
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9c233a65106e.jpg[/atsimg]
As with any reasearch project it is crucial to be objective in the approach, don't allow yourself to be prejudice with preconcieved notions that come with ignorance such as "freemasons worship the devil" There is a big difference between what counts as fact and what amounts to pure garbage when it comes to Freemasons. Most of the anti Masonic establishment would gladly have you believe these things sight unseen.
With any luck, you may choose to seek membership( for the right reasons) in this fraternity. In this case a petition to your local lodge and a belief in a supreme creator within the realm of your understanding is all you will need. It should be noted that most librarys also carry an extensive amount of works by various authors on the subject, both pro and con and it is reccomended that you do as much reading on the subject as possible in order to gain the right perspective.
As stated before, this is not an index thread only a subtle "nudge" in the direction of information so use it as you will, do some reading and some research and hopfully enlighten yourself in the process. I after you do some reasearch, you still believe the Masons worship the "devil" or sacrifice babies...Then so be it ( I think you'll find a lack of evidence to support either)
[edit on 14-12-2009 by alyosha1981]
[edit on 14-12-2009 by alyosha1981]
People should never think their questions are pointless. Before I joined I knew almost nothing about Freemasonry, it was confusing to say the least.
A lot of times these sites have very biased views against or for Masonry, where as asking actual members we freely admit to some flaws and some of the
better aspects (sometimes not covered in these sites).
And I do always answer questions posed to me via u2u by curious individuals.
And I do always answer questions posed to me via u2u by curious individuals.
reply to post by Rockpuck
In my attempt to encourage people to reasearch Masonry on their own I have included a bit of a 'rasberry" in the word "pointless". The question that comes to mind most often for me has to do with Shriners eating babys or something like that. I just find it odd how many of these provoking questions I see on a regular basis when it's obvious that the poster could have done a modest bit of reading and thus may not have felt the need to pose such questions.
I do agree that this site can be confussing at time especially for new members, that is why I hope to help out by the addition of this very thread. I have never had a problem recieving information from masons here in with respect to oaths taken of course.
In my attempt to encourage people to reasearch Masonry on their own I have included a bit of a 'rasberry" in the word "pointless". The question that comes to mind most often for me has to do with Shriners eating babys or something like that. I just find it odd how many of these provoking questions I see on a regular basis when it's obvious that the poster could have done a modest bit of reading and thus may not have felt the need to pose such questions.
I do agree that this site can be confussing at time especially for new members, that is why I hope to help out by the addition of this very thread. I have never had a problem recieving information from masons here in with respect to oaths taken of course.
My grandfather was a freemason. I went to several ceremonies when I was a kid (god it was horrifically boring).
I don't get the fascination with them, among conspiracy theorists. I guess people are just suspicious about things that are suppose to be secretive.
Really bad case of paranoia on most peoples part, if you ask me.
I don't get the fascination with them, among conspiracy theorists. I guess people are just suspicious about things that are suppose to be secretive.
Really bad case of paranoia on most peoples part, if you ask me.
reply to post by Kaytagg
People often tend to fear that which they don't understand. It is easy to make outlandish claims and rediculous speculations about anything and everything. We could go on for days making up fairytales and rattling off about the Freemasons...or we can do some research and a bit of reading, maybe talk to some members and how about a really crazy idea? Maybe go to a lodge on a piblic dinner night and try to get a "feel" for the brotherhood.
These are Ideas I'm trying to pass off as reasonable alternatives to starting threads making fun of or worse...Masonry as a whole. Call me crazy.
[edit on 14-12-2009 by alyosha1981]
People often tend to fear that which they don't understand. It is easy to make outlandish claims and rediculous speculations about anything and everything. We could go on for days making up fairytales and rattling off about the Freemasons...or we can do some research and a bit of reading, maybe talk to some members and how about a really crazy idea? Maybe go to a lodge on a piblic dinner night and try to get a "feel" for the brotherhood.
These are Ideas I'm trying to pass off as reasonable alternatives to starting threads making fun of or worse...Masonry as a whole. Call me crazy.
[edit on 14-12-2009 by alyosha1981]
reply to post by alyosha1981
Yea, that's a good suggestion.
One thing I'll never forget about the Masons is how they all came together when my grandfather passed. We had a ceremony for him at the lodge, and there were more people in that room than I could even count. I couldn't believe how many friends he had, and how well they all knew him.
When my father's side of the family showed up, in a sort of shocked disbelief, they said "are all these people here for your grandfather?!"
Some high ranked mason from the UK flew over for it, too. They all had nothing but the best things to say to us, and each one of them offered to help us in any way they could. It was amazing.
That's how they treat every member, with love, respect, and devotion. It's pretty amazing.
I'm getting all teary eyed just thinking about it. He was a good man. As far as I could tell, they were all good men.
Yea, that's a good suggestion.
One thing I'll never forget about the Masons is how they all came together when my grandfather passed. We had a ceremony for him at the lodge, and there were more people in that room than I could even count. I couldn't believe how many friends he had, and how well they all knew him.
When my father's side of the family showed up, in a sort of shocked disbelief, they said "are all these people here for your grandfather?!"
Some high ranked mason from the UK flew over for it, too. They all had nothing but the best things to say to us, and each one of them offered to help us in any way they could. It was amazing.
That's how they treat every member, with love, respect, and devotion. It's pretty amazing.
I'm getting all teary eyed just thinking about it. He was a good man. As far as I could tell, they were all good men.
reply to post by Kaytagg
I'm sorry for your loss, and thank you for sharing the positive aspects of brotherhood you witnessed firsthand. This is an example of misunderstood Freemasonry is, that is... I bet there are some people who did not think them capable of such activites( positive, supporting,) Ie: many think they sacrifice people to lucifer.
I'm sorry for your loss, and thank you for sharing the positive aspects of brotherhood you witnessed firsthand. This is an example of misunderstood Freemasonry is, that is... I bet there are some people who did not think them capable of such activites( positive, supporting,) Ie: many think they sacrifice people to lucifer.
Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by Kaytagg
Ie: many think they sacrifice people to lucifer.
Lol, nothing could be further from the truth. You just have to laugh and shrug it off, I guess. There's always going to be goofs who believe in really wild, off the mark stuff. Cest la vi
I like your avatar, btw.
reply to post by Kaytagg
Thanks Kaytagg I just want to advocate some degree of knowledge seeking on ones own, I own several books on the brotherhood and I constantly read up on the topic. I will eventually petition a lodge, but for now I just have a desire to fight the ignorance and intollarence associated with Freemasonry.
Thanks Kaytagg I just want to advocate some degree of knowledge seeking on ones own, I own several books on the brotherhood and I constantly read up on the topic. I will eventually petition a lodge, but for now I just have a desire to fight the ignorance and intollarence associated with Freemasonry.
reply to post by alyosha1981
Well, if you ever decide to join, please make sure it's because you like the people, the mindset, the attitude, etc. It's really not about weird sacrifices or rituals that are going to blow your mind. It's a bunch of, generally, older gentlemen, most of whom are retired, who appreciate the social aspect of it all. Many of them are really tight friends, and if you're one of those people who doesn't mind answering a phone call at 3:00 am for a friend who needs you, or maybe you're the one making the phone call, then I think you'd fit right in.
Personally, I don't think that type of thing is for me. Maybe in 40 years I'll reconsider
Well, if you ever decide to join, please make sure it's because you like the people, the mindset, the attitude, etc. It's really not about weird sacrifices or rituals that are going to blow your mind. It's a bunch of, generally, older gentlemen, most of whom are retired, who appreciate the social aspect of it all. Many of them are really tight friends, and if you're one of those people who doesn't mind answering a phone call at 3:00 am for a friend who needs you, or maybe you're the one making the phone call, then I think you'd fit right in.
Personally, I don't think that type of thing is for me. Maybe in 40 years I'll reconsider
reply to post by Kaytagg
I'll be sure to keep those things in mind. For now I'm content with educating myself (and hopefully others) I have a genuine atraction to Masonry and I have for quite some time. I have friends who are members and I knew quite a few Masons while I was in the military.
I have a well rounded ideal as it partains to the fraternity and I'd like to pass the interest on to others as well maybe some posters here benefit from educating themselves on the subject...who knows?
I'll be sure to keep those things in mind. For now I'm content with educating myself (and hopefully others) I have a genuine atraction to Masonry and I have for quite some time. I have friends who are members and I knew quite a few Masons while I was in the military.
I have a well rounded ideal as it partains to the fraternity and I'd like to pass the interest on to others as well maybe some posters here benefit from educating themselves on the subject...who knows?
reply to post by alyosha1981
Great thread - great initiative - thanks
Even I still have some questions, but then I guess I just have to get in the rank, if I want answers
S&F from me
Great thread - great initiative - thanks
Even I still have some questions, but then I guess I just have to get in the rank, if I want answers
S&F from me
reply to post by Kaytagg
I believe that Masonry has some roots in the period after the suppresion and the ex communication of the Templars. I believe fugitive Templars may have had a great deal to with the formation of the brootherhood...not to mention the fact that a Templar on the run had quite a bit to lose( life and possesions)
One of the charges of Masonry is that no brother shall ever reveal a secret of a fellow brother that would cause him to loose life or possesion. Thus "hiding" him. Another charge is that at least 2 bretheren are to go with the brother into towm to vouch for him if he is not from the local.
Now these are old charges ( and not verbatim) but they certainly give credit to many ideals of success, depending on what the measure of success is to a given person. For a Templar on the run I suppose not die by the hand of the church is a great success.
I believe that Masonry has some roots in the period after the suppresion and the ex communication of the Templars. I believe fugitive Templars may have had a great deal to with the formation of the brootherhood...not to mention the fact that a Templar on the run had quite a bit to lose( life and possesions)
One of the charges of Masonry is that no brother shall ever reveal a secret of a fellow brother that would cause him to loose life or possesion. Thus "hiding" him. Another charge is that at least 2 bretheren are to go with the brother into towm to vouch for him if he is not from the local.
Now these are old charges ( and not verbatim) but they certainly give credit to many ideals of success, depending on what the measure of success is to a given person. For a Templar on the run I suppose not die by the hand of the church is a great success.
reply to post by AUM68
Welcome! I am certainly always up for a discussion on the subject and I would help in any way I could just let me know
Welcome! I am certainly always up for a discussion on the subject and I would help in any way I could just let me know
I think we are experiencing a wave of anti-Masonic and anti-Christian sentiment here in the United States. This is not good. We might see some
persecution like back in the old days.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7b56003f0d47.gif[/atsimg]
Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
I think we are experiencing a wave of anti-Masonic and anti-Christian sentiment here in the United States. This is not good. We might see some persecution like back in the old days.
I'd take issue with that for a couple of reasons but I think it deserves its own thread rather than derailing this one.
Fitz
reply to post by Cabaret Voltaire
Misunderstanding is a breeding ground for accusations. That's one of reasons I decided to make this thread, understanding takes a bit or work and some people find it more convienent to just spout off any obscene question or speculation without regard to actually finding out if their question holds any merit.
Misunderstanding is a breeding ground for accusations. That's one of reasons I decided to make this thread, understanding takes a bit or work and some people find it more convienent to just spout off any obscene question or speculation without regard to actually finding out if their question holds any merit.
Thanks for making this post, weeding through posts is always a drag.
That being said, if everyone researched it, nobody would need ATS
It really is hard to find solid information on Masonry around here. Researching for factual information about Freemasonry would be like finding a needle in a haystack around here. I can see the need for simple questions being asked without hours upon hours of reading through all the hyped up trash.
But, your post solves a lot of that, so, once again, thank you.
That being said, if everyone researched it, nobody would need ATS
It really is hard to find solid information on Masonry around here. Researching for factual information about Freemasonry would be like finding a needle in a haystack around here. I can see the need for simple questions being asked without hours upon hours of reading through all the hyped up trash.
But, your post solves a lot of that, so, once again, thank you.
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