Binyamin Netanyahu must decide whether to strike Iran's nuclear facilities

Binyamin Netanyahu must decide whether to strike Iran's nuclear facilities

www.timesonline.co.uk

The moment is fast approaching when Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, may have to make the most difficult decision of his career — whether to launch a military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities and risk triggering a conflagration that could spread across the Middle East.

Israeli experts believe the point of no return may be only six months away when Iran’s nuclear programme will have — if it has not already — metastasised into a multitude of smaller, difficult-to-trace facilities in deserts and mountains, while its main reactor at Bushehr will have come online

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Well folks buckle up, because war like no man in recorded history has ever witnessed is about to engulf the earth. The reality is Binyamin Netanyahu knows he has no choice but to strike Iran's nuclear programme, because the very existance of Israel depends on it.

Iran knows what's coming, and their defense minister Ahmad Vahidi has just recently been to Syria to make sure they have Irans back when Israel launches an attack. As of December 10 2009, Ahmad Vahidi believes that Israel will strike within the next 30 days.

According to Iranian intelligence, Jerusalem will take its green light from President Barack Obama's forced admission after Christmas that his policy of dialogue and stiffer sanctions have failed in the face of Tehran's rejection of the international proposal to send its enriched uranium for overseas processing.

This war will quickly engulf the entire middle East, and bring in the entire world. Russia, China, and the US all have major stakes in the outcome of this war.



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reply to post by Israel Versus Iran


Don't you do it Israel! Could there be anything more likely to bring about Armageddon? Now i do not believe in the Bible or revalations, but it could be spot on the location of its begginings.

They will attack. There is precedent. 1981 the Osarik reactor in Iraq destroyed by a quite incredible airstirke by F-15's and F-16's. Iran may be able to prevent serious damage as the attack has been so telegraphed. Either way there will be retaliation in the form of greater support for Hamas and especially Hezbollah. Expect suicide bombings. This could end forever the peace process.

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by Israel Versus Iran

 

This could end forever the peace process.

What worries me, is if they turn it around, and we do see world peace.

There could be 2 stars in the East on Christmas day, one being Sirius, the other a mushroom cloud rising up above from a tactical strike on Iran.

If you think about it... We may not get into this potential war. Obama and all may not jump to Israels side, not at least right away. I don't really see us going to war with Russia or China because as much as it is a threat... we all rely on each other. China would no longer profit from us, that would severely hurt them if they went to war with us. Russia "could" be more of a threat than China only because we do not have such a financial standpoint; it would be the downfall for each country if they got sucked into it.

I don't know the future, but this doesn't sound too far off in reality. We just need to pull out of the middle east as fast as possible and let them blow their tops, then we go back to help facilitate the mutants... since nuclear fallout is a possibility as well. So the best option is to stay out of what may come about.... or so it seems to me at least.

reply to post by Choiseul

If you think about it... We may not get into this potential war. Obama and all may not jump to Israels side, not at least right away

Not that I'm saying that any Israeli strike on Iran would be the Gog-Magog war, but your statement made me think about how, in Ezekiel's prophecy, in that war as it's starting to look bad for Israel, Tarshish just kinda sits back and "talks" about but does nothing to help Israel. Some people liken Tarshish to the Western nations because Tarshish is used to describe the ends of the Earth sometimes.

When Obama got elected, I thought a similar thing as you. With Obama in office, a man that doesn't really start any war, I could really him just sitting around with the American allies and just talking about what's going on and saying that it's a bad thing, but not doing much to alleviate the situation.

If you are student of bible prophecy then you will be expecting an exchange soon (Gog Magog war, book of Ezekiel), howver if you are also a student of people, you will see that Bibi will sign the order. He has no choice..... Asking Israel not to strike, is the same as asking them to wait with crossed fingers, with hope at a country whose leader has already said he want's to bring the world to war, so that the circumstances are right for the muslim "mardi" to appear... He has also said that he will "wipe Israel off the map"
If you were Bibi, what would YOU do???

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There is one factor that will make this decision much more difficult for Netanyahu and that is the Obama administration which has warned Israel against such strikes,

Under the Bush administration our alliance (militarily) with Israel was assured.

President Obama may refrain from such an alliance, so Israel will likely have to do this unilaterally and without expecting any assistance from the US.

That could make Israel far more vulnerable to highly destructive retaliatory strikes if they choose to attack Iran.

For Israel this decision could mean ALL or nothing... Meaning the full destruction of not only Iran's nuclear facilities, but also the elimination of Iran's ability to retaliate... Along with targeted strikes in other middle eastern nations to also reduce the ability of any kind of organized retaliation on Israel.

All or nothing Netanyahu... The ball is in your court now, no players on the bench in reserve... Whatcha gonna do?



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reply to post by Selahobed


Personally I would target the leadership by means of a covert operation and would act on the current level of discontent that exists among the Iranian people .

I would not launch a large scale military campaign that would directly effect the stability of the world .

Originally posted by Selahobed
If you are student of bible prophecy then you will be expecting an exchange soon (Gog Magog war, book of Ezekiel), howver if you are also a student of people, you will see that Bibi will sign the order. He has no choice..... Asking Israel not to strike, is the same as asking them to wait with crossed fingers, with hope at a country whose leader has already said he want's to bring the world to war, so that the circumstances are right for the muslim "mardi" to appear... He has also said that he will "wipe Israel off the map"
If you were Bibi, what would YOU do???

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Skipping is invisible man part this: ( He has also said that he will "wipe Israel off the map") has already been proven as a hoax.

reply to post by Israel Versus Iran


The fact is Iran is not Lebanon where Israel can attack and get away with it easily. If Israel attacks Iran consider it the start of end for Israel forever. All the invisible man and dream of "God's Chosen People" and writing of any storybook would not be able to stop the World War and complete destruction of Israel and possibly Iran could not be ruled out.
"Be careful what you wish for, for it may come true" not exactly in your wishing order though

reply to post by Israel Versus Iran


Here's some more related news from the Times on Iran.

Secret document exposes Iran’s nuclear trigger

Confidential intelligence documents obtained by The Times show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb.

The notes, from Iran’s most sensitive military nuclear project, describe a four-year plan to test a neutron initiator, the component of a nuclear bomb that triggers an explosion. Foreign intelligence agencies date them to early 2007, four years after Iran was thought to have suspended its weapons programme.

An Asian intelligence source last week confirmed to The Times that his country also believed that weapons work was being carried out as recently as 2007 — specifically, work on a neutron initiator.

The technical document describes the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which independent experts confirm has no possible civilian or military use other than in a nuclear weapon. Uranium deuteride is the material used in Pakistan’s bomb, from where Iran obtained its blueprint.

“Although Iran might claim that this work is for civil purposes, there is no civil application,” said David Albright, a physicist and president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, which has analysed hundreds of pages of documents related to the Iranian programme. “This is a very strong indicator of weapons work.”

The documents have been seen by intelligence agencies from several Western countries, including Britain. A senior source at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirmed that they had been passed to the UN’s nuclear watchdog.

A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokeswoman said yesterday: “We do not comment on intelligence, but our concerns about Iran’s nuclear programme are clear. Obviously this document, if authentic, raises serious questions about Iran’s intentions.”

Responding to The Times’ findings, an Israeli government spokesperson said: “Israel is increasingly concerned about the state of the Iranian nuclear programme and the real intentions that may lie behind it.”

The revelation coincides with growing international concern about Iran’s nuclear programme. Tehran insists that it wants to build a civilian nuclear industry to generate power, but critics suspect that the regime is intent on diverting the technology to build an atomic bomb.

In September, Iran was forced to admit that it was constructing a secret uranium enrichment facility near the city of Qom. President Ahmadinejad then claimed that he wanted to build ten such sites. Over the weekend Manouchehr Mottaki, the Iranian Foreign Minister, said that Iran needed up to 15 nuclear power plants to meet its energy needs, despite the country’s huge oil and gas reserves.

Publication of the nuclear documents will increase pressure for tougher UN sanctions against Iran, which are due to be discussed this week. But the latest leaks in a long series of allegations against Iran will also be seized on by hawks in Israel and the US, who support a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities before the country can build its first warhead.

Mark Fitzpatrick, senior fellow for non-proliferation at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, said: “The most shattering conclusion is that, if this was an effort that began in 2007, it could be a casus belli. If Iran is working on weapons, it means there is no diplomatic solution.”

The Times had the documents, which were originally written in Farsi, translated into English and had the translation separately verified by two Farsi speakers. While much of the language is technical, it is clear that the Iranians are intent on concealing their nuclear military work behind legitimate civilian research.

The fallout could be explosive, especially in Washington, where it is likely to invite questions about President Obama’s groundbreaking outreach to Iran. The papers provide the first evidence which suggests that Iran has pursued weapons studies after 2003 and may actively be doing so today — if the four-year plan continued as envisaged.

A 2007 US National Intelligence Estimate concluded that weapons work was suspended in 2003 and officials said with “moderate confidence” that it had not resumed by mid-2007. Britain, Germany and France, however, believe that weapons work had already resumed by then.

Western intelligence sources say that by 2003 Iran had already assembled the technical know-how it needed to build a bomb, but had yet to complete the necessary testing to be sure such a device would work. Iran also lacked sufficient fissile material to fuel a bomb and still does — although it is technically capable of producing weapons-grade uranium should its leaders take the political decision to do so.

The documents detail a plan for tests to determine whether the device works — without detonating an explosion leaving traces of uranium detectable by the outside world. If such traces were found, they would be taken as irreversible evidence of Iran’s intention to become a nuclear-armed power.

Experts say that, if the 2007 date is correct, the documents are the strongest indicator yet of a continuing nuclear weapons programme in Iran. Iran has long denied a military dimension to its nuclear programme, claiming its nuclear activities are solely focused on the production of energy for civilian use.

Mr Fitzpatrick said: “Is this the smoking gun? That’s the question people should be asking. It looks like the smoking gun. This is smoking uranium.”

reply to post by December_Rain


Whatever!! He wants to remove zionism from zion lol, that my friend would require a nuke or two!!

Zionism IS NOT some international conspiracy.. To be a zionist is the same as being proud to be english. Its about culture and history, not about some shadowy banking/militarial industrial complex... Go to Y'israol for yourself and speak to the people on the ground who have worked their butts off and endured night after night of rockets, to the point that the kids are ALL in therapy because of anxiety disorders, and have spent half their lives in bomb shelters, what zionism is!!!

If i was Bibi it wouldnt take much thought.... We are used to holocausts.. And they were warned over and over again...

The iranian people need to get rid of their leaders before the biggest tragedy in human history takes place... My faith is in THEM, i hope it is not misplaced...

reply to post by Selahobed


Zionist/Talmud-Torah and Sharia are two sides of same coin and both of them are terrorist/ non human in nature but we are getting derailed on the thread here.

Edit: to add include Conservative Christianity along the two.

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reply to post by Selahobed

The iranian people need to get rid of their leaders before the biggest tragedy in human history takes place... My faith is in THEM, i hope it is not misplaced...

You speak wise words. 17th-27th Dec. is likely to see student protests and protests all across Iran, with an even larger one in Jan. to finish the regime off. I don't give the regime much longer than March before we are sat here talking about a new government being formed in Iran. They are cutting it fine though, if Israel have a timetable by mid-May.

Get it over and done with already. I really see no need to fear Russia or China, too much to lose all the way around, let the middle east finally sort everything out for itself.

i dont quite understand how america would go to war with china and russia over this wouldnt they be more concerned just trying to stop it from getting worse.

reply to post by Selahobed


I too hope that the people of Iran rise up and oust the madman. If this war between Israel and Iran happens, it's going to open a huge can of worms. Turkey has given warning to Israel, if they try to use their airspace to attack, Turkey will respond. Not to mention all the other countries who will declare war on Israel. Then we have China & Russia, who have huge interest in the oil rich middle east. If it becomes unstable, who to say they will not walk in to take claim. Now, do you honestly think the US will sit back and say or do nothing. We have over 200,000 troops when the region. 200,000 of the best conditioned, trained and equipped soldiers in the world. Not even mentioning the Navy, which in itself could wipe out an entire country or two or three.
Yes, your hopes are mine also.......Peace

Mark my words. If this conflict goes down, it WILL eventuate to a nuclear exchange in the middle-east. And everyone knows it.

This won't be a matter of surgical strikes on the Iranian nuclear facilities, it will be an all out mass attack on Iran's military infrastructure, they will aim to eliminate all Iranian capabilities to retaliate. Not a single jet fighter, not a single boat left. That will be their aim should they attack.

What does my head in when I think about this is there really is, a potential for this war to happen. We are on that path, because the Iranians will never ever by choice halt their uranium enrichment. (And rightly so)

Sanctions are a last ditch effort after diplomatic failure before war, and if more sanctions lead to the Iranians cutting oil exports as a result, there will be war anyway. More sanctions are not going to work, period.

Russia and China and Turkey won't back them, at the most Russia will continue to encourage Iran to take more steps to convince the west of its nuclear intentions, but that will be the extent of their involvement.

Yes, get ready folks for a potentially earth shaking conflict. Oil will become so expensive that everything could come to a total standstill, EVERYTHING could come to a screeching halt. Food production, transport, electricity, anything and everything that relies on Oil for its function and production.

There is an expiry date on this stand off with Iran, and it cannot be dragged out for much longer