Indian scientists detect signs of life on Moon

India, China and Japan, they will be the countries from which the most amazing discoveries will arrive.

NASA will be forced to runs behind they and to admit what they discover.

Without a change into the "official" politics of the Space Agency, the "twilight of NASA" is already begun....and it sets off on the definitive sunset...

But it is by now clearly that NASA is really embarassed about the discoveries, the news, and the detections that arrive from other countries like India and Japan.

NASA has lost the "Monopoly of the Information on Space.
And this is the hardest and irreversible blow.
S&F.

reply to post by mrsoul2009


THEY got to go too, you know...it would make sense if we found their droppings

The source is genuine and not one of these pseudo-newstations.

However, nothing on the Indian Space Research Organisation website. But I cannot imagine any confirmation until the data has been 100% analysed.

I'd be very surprised if life is still current on the moon - even though I studied a few interesting data taken by numerous projects (showing strange formations)

Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
Oh Man! India is going too totally smash NASA credibility! This as funny as to watch!

Watching NASA play catch-up is embarrassing!

[edit on 13-12-2009 by MOTT the HOOPLE]

How so?

NASA has already detected organic compounds on other planets, other moons, comets, meteorites, and even outside our solar system.

They have already been doing this for years. NASA sent a multi-million dollar mission to a comet specifically to look for organic molecules (which they found).

And it's not only "factual data" about organic compounds that NASA is putting out there for the world -- NASA is in the forefront on speculating about the possibilities of life where organic compounds have been found, such as on Saturn's Moon Enceladus.

Here is an article co-authored by a NASA researcher:
The Extraordinary Ecosystems of Enceladus

Seeing that NASA is (and has been) leading the way in finding organic compounds throughout our solar system and beyond, and in the speculation of finding life elsewhere...how exactly would they be embarrassed?


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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
Oh Man! India is going too totally smash NASA credibility! This as funny as to watch!

Its' also taught NASA that things can be done in a few millions rather than billions.

Originally posted by merkava

Its' also taught NASA that things can be done in a few millions rather than billions.

LCROSS also found organic compounds on the Moon and it only cost NASA millions -- not billions.

It's one thing to go to the moon for only millions (NASA, China, Japan, Russia, and India have all done it), but I truly doubt India could create a probe that did everything Cassini did at Saturn for millions instead of billions.


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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by merkava

Its' also taught NASA that things can be done in a few millions rather than billions.

It's one thing to go to the moon for only millions (NASA, China, Japan, Russia, and India have all done it), but I truly doubt India could create a probe that did everything Cassini did at Saturn for millions instead of billions.

Well you never know!

The chinese and indians always find a way to do things in a cheaper way.

reply to post by mrsoul2009


Great post!

Looks like the Indians are being a lot more up front than the Americans or should i say NASA?

Eventually the truth will out.....

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by mrsoul2009

 

Great post!

Looks like the Indians are being a lot more up front than the Americans or should i say NASA?

Eventually the truth will out.....

Again, I need to ask "How so?"...

NASA has also announced the discovery of organic compounds on the Moon, and for the past couple of decades have openly discussed the discovery of organic compounds in many other places in our solar system and beyond.

Please tell me how NASA is not being "up front" on the issue of finding organic molecules outside the Earth? They are in fact LEADING the discovery of these compounds on other worlds.

The example I mentioned before is Saturn's moon Enceladus. If NASA wanted to hide information about the organic compounds on Enceladus, they did not need to tell us that they think Enceladus may be warm and wet below the crust, nor do they need to tell us about the possibility of an organic soup -- maybe even life -- under the surface. Instead, NASA has openly discussed and speculated on such things.


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Originally posted by Imagir
India, China and Japan, they will be the countries from which the most amazing discoveries will arrive.

I agree, I mean if you see the intensity of how these civilisations developed, it’s probable that they would be putting some of that into e.g. space and technology. If USA can find these discoveries, I don’t see why India, China and Japan can’t?

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People NASA has also announced the discovery of organic compounds on the Moon, and for the past couple of decades have openly discussed the discovery of organic compounds in many other places in our solar system and beyond.

You’ve got a point there though. It just seems that many people disregard NASA and what they do hence believing they never heard of this discovery. Well I personally hope that if they put India’s and China’s brains with NASA’s technology it would be amazing [not saying that NASA has no brains...they do but hell, there could be some magic with all three working together].

NASA will always be met with a ton of suspicion. They are invariably linked with the government and military whose nature is to keep questionable things from the public (my opinion).

and this is a bad title - signs of life is far different than elements or conditions of life. signs of life give the assumption there is life denoted by signs of its existence.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Again, I need to ask "How so?"...

You made essentially this same point in another thread Soylent, and I responded to you there. You ignored my reply that time, so I will just post my same response here for you again.

Most of what we know about the Moon is based upon evidence NASA has been "allowed" to provide us over the decades. During the Apollo era for example, NASA had their own incredibly wide interpretation of Executive Order 10501 and the definition of the term "National Defense" to follow, and NASA's version of that particular Executive Order forced them to paint a broad "classified" brushstroke over just about anything that could be deemed controversial at all - and certainly forced them to cover-up anything related to the discovery of extra-terrestrial life (past or present).

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10501
SAFEGUARDING OFFICIAL INFORMATION IN THE INTERESTS OF THE DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES
Here is a link to the original 10501 Executive Order from 1953 (Eisenhower Admin.)
www.fas.org...

And here is NASA's Apollo-era interpretation of EO 10501, from the "NASA Security Classification Criteria and Guidelines" (doc NHB 1640.4), dated July 1st, 1966.

1. Executive Order 10501 requires that NASA classify certain types of 'official information' in the interests of national defense. Within the context of this Handbook:
a. The term 'official information' is defined as information which is owned by, produced by, or is subject to the control of the United States Government;
b. The term 'national defense' is interpreted in a broad sense to include not only considerations of military defense but also economic and political factors having bearing on the national defense posture."

By being made to interpret "National Defense" so that national security classification considerations had to take into account military, economic, and political factors, (which by default means geo-military, geo-economic, and geo-political factors), NASA had little choice but to ensure their upcoming Apollo missions would not reveal to the public ANY evidence of past or present extra-terrestrial life they might find in space or on the Moon. The now-famed Brookings Institute Report findings published in 1961 provided some earlier framework behind why it was deemed advisable to cover up any incredible discoveries like that, and NASA's version of 10501 solidified that framework prior to the Apollo program ever even flying.

Here is a link to the online version of NASA document HHR-32
NASA Office of Defense Affairs: The First Five Years
Chapter 14 - NASA SECURITY CLASSIFICATION PROGRAM.
This chapter deals specifically with the discussion surrounding NASA's adoption of their modified EO 10501 National Security interpretation in 1966, and is quite an interesting read IMO.
history.nasa.gov...

So, why should we trust NASA to tell us what they have discovered at all? How many "unannounced" discoveries have turned into "classified" discoveries over the years? How many blatant lies have we been told as part of the official cover-story? The answer is that we will never know unless they admit to lying to us (such is the way national security classification protocol and compartmentalization procedures tend to work!).

With NASA's interpretation of EO 10501 to follow during the Apollo era, it would have been absolutely ILLEGAL for them to reveal the existence of something as profound as extra-terrestrial life to the public! It still is ILLEGAL for them to do so today! NASA have NO legal obligation to tell you the truth about anything. They are an adjunct of the Department of Defense, and they absolutely have national security legal obligations that force them to LIE to us about how much they really know about this subject matter. Those are FACTS.

Cheers,
LunaCognita

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


Soy, I almost want to tell you to save your breath. The folks screaming about NASA in this thread don't know crap about NASA or any of their current and past programs that flesh out stuff just like this "groundbreaking" news.

To them, NASA represents "the man", and they are programed through thier ingorant faith in all things "conspiracy" to willfully ignore anything from "the man" and side with anybody else (such as "the little guy"). You can't fight this, trust me. Those that want to think this exposes a conspiracy in NASA are ignorant to the extreme, and a big part of why those of us interested in REAL conspiracies have to wade through so much tripe.

The only thing stuff like this exposes is the overwhelming ignorance that permeates the conspiracy world...this thread and your posts specifically make that point. You and I don't agree on much, but we both seem to be able to separate the signal to noise ratio in cut and dry matters such as this.

Shame the majority don't seem to have a firm grasp on the reality they live in.

So, how does 'life' on the moon benefit us down here? The moon already fulfills its purpose to us and yet we still want More from it? But, why??

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


True i guess but it is only in recent years that NASA have become more forthright with information regarding the Moon & Mars....

Going back to 69 and the Moon landings... what was left out of the public eye? Quite a lot of important info in my opinion...

Still, i like what NASA have done and are doing.... they are leaders in Space exploration and we have to acknowledge that no matter what.... i came into the discussion with the mindset that 'the moon landings in 69 discovered a lot but only a little was let out into the public eye' which maybe was the wrong way to look at it....

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reply to post by myeyeshavseen


the power of knowing when you look at the moon that there are people walking working and lifing there is one of the greatest powers to inspire our youths ..
If they drive allong are what ever they do and look at it and start realise that if they do there best they could go there too .. It would inspire them too do better at school and will stop people doing drugs and other criminal things because they have inspired look of there future instead of a dire future with violence and criminality.

Originally posted by LunaCognita

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Again, I need to ask "How so?"...

You made essentially this same point in another thread Soylent, and I responded to you there. You ignored my reply that time, so I will just post my same response here for you again.

Most of what we know about the Moon is based upon evidence NASA has been "allowed" to provide us over the decades. During the Apollo era for example, NASA had their own incredibly wide interpretation of Executive Order 10501 and the definition of the term "National Defense" to follow, and NASA's version of that particular Executive Order forced them to paint a broad "classified" brushstroke over just about anything that could be deemed controversial at all - and certainly forced them to cover-up anything related to the discovery of extra-terrestrial life (past or present).

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10501
SAFEGUARDING OFFICIAL INFORMATION IN THE INTERESTS OF THE DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES
Here is a link to the original 10501 Executive Order from 1953 (Eisenhower Admin.)
www.fas.org...

And here is NASA's Apollo-era interpretation of EO 10501, from the "NASA Security Classification Criteria and Guidelines" (doc NHB 1640.4), dated July 1st, 1966.

1. Executive Order 10501 requires that NASA classify certain types of 'official information' in the interests of national defense. Within the context of this Handbook:
a. The term 'official information' is defined as information which is owned by, produced by, or is subject to the control of the United States Government;
b. The term 'national defense' is interpreted in a broad sense to include not only considerations of military defense but also economic and political factors having bearing on the national defense posture."

By being made to interpret "National Defense" so that national security classification considerations had to take into account military, economic, and political factors, (which by default means geo-military, geo-economic, and geo-political factors), NASA had little choice but to ensure their upcoming Apollo missions would not reveal to the public ANY evidence of past or present extra-terrestrial life they might find in space or on the Moon. The now-famed Brookings Institute Report findings published in 1961 provided some earlier framework behind why it was deemed advisable to cover up any incredible discoveries like that, and NASA's version of 10501 solidified that framework prior to the Apollo program ever even flying.

Here is a link to the online version of NASA document HHR-32
NASA Office of Defense Affairs: The First Five Years
Chapter 14 - NASA SECURITY CLASSIFICATION PROGRAM.
This chapter deals specifically with the discussion surrounding NASA's adoption of their modified EO 10501 National Security interpretation in 1966, and is quite an interesting read IMO.
history.nasa.gov...

So, why should we trust NASA to tell us what they have discovered at all? How many "unannounced" discoveries have turned into "classified" discoveries over the years? How many blatant lies have we been told as part of the official cover-story? The answer is that we will never know unless they admit to lying to us (such is the way national security classification protocol and compartmentalization procedures tend to work!).

With NASA's interpretation of EO 10501 to follow during the Apollo era, it would have been absolutely ILLEGAL for them to reveal the existence of something as profound as extra-terrestrial life to the public! It still is ILLEGAL for them to do so today! NASA have NO legal obligation to tell you the truth about anything. They are an adjunct of the Department of Defense, and they absolutely have national security legal obligations that force them to LIE to us about how much they really know about this subject matter. Those are FACTS.

Cheers,
LunaCognita

Finally found the document!
Thanks!

Nasa is a puppet linked and chained to the Department of Defense!

reply to post by factbeforefiction


Oh how i find your ignorance so amusing ! Do you live in a cave by any chance ? Do you know what a newspaper is ? C'mon your jokin right ?

reply to post by LunaCognita

Obviously NASA -- like any agency of any government -- could be withholding information.

HOWEVER, to claim that India has announced thing that NASA has not would be wrong. I'm repsonding to the "OMG! India announced they found organic compounds before NASA" crowd.

NASA is the world leader in research into the possibility of ET life.
NASA has researchers at Ames Reasearch Center, the John Glenn Research Center, and at JPL who have written cutting-edge speculative papers on the possibility of life elsewhere in our solar system based on the discoveries made by NASA.

I read a paper by a NASA scientist who speculates on the existence of life in the clouds of Venus. India hasn't done that. I read an article by a NASA researcher that discusses the possible living ecosystems on Enceladus, based on data collected from NASA's Cassini probe. If it wasn't for NASA's research, nobody would know about the exciting possibilities of life on Enceladus.

Could NASA be holding back? Sure they could. But the amount of information NASA has released is volumes more than all of the other space-faring nations combined.

The idea that India has announced something that NASA has not is a fallacy.


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The fact is we are getting alot more from the Indian Space programme than we are from the underhanded NASA ! It's true about the saying NASA Never A Straight Answer !

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