Asteroid Destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, not God

Again I reply that if the asteroid destroyed Sodom and Gommorah, that a similar fate should have engulf neighboring cities Ur, Babel, Nineveh, what became Alexandria, Cairo, Balbaak, the Pheonician City states, the list goes on...
Furhter, the Bible mentions Nineveh and for years it was believed a myth, its remains had never been found until the late 19th century, where it's location and size matched the Bible. The fact that your argument is based on two cities , whose ruins have never been found nor documented outside of the Bible, indicate you give some credence to the Book.
Almost all of the kingdoms, cities, geographies and locations, cultures, have been documented from both archeological, governmental, and historical records... the Assyrian texts and even book keeping records show the exodus and capture of the N. Kingdom of Israel. Egypt shows the presencs of Hebrew peoples and the decline of Ramses 2 coincides with they're exodus... while searching for Sadam's tanks in the first Persian Gulf War 1990, denser materials cool slower than the sands and looser materials around them...by thermal imagery we found the tanks, and a densely packed path of sand that ran from the former Land of Goshen in the Nile Delta across the Sinai, across the N. tip of the Red Sea, across the Gulf of Aqaba, into Saudi Arabia and ending at what locals traditionally have called the "Mountain of God". Wheither you believe in God is up to you, I DO, but it is filled with historical, scientific, archeological, and governmental records that confirm and prove it's text.

reply to post by SuperSlovak

I guess you have the following options...
...it was just an asteroid and bad luck for the cities of the plains...
...God ordered a special asteroid as an executive judgment...
...or God pre-planned an asteroid when he made the universe to arrive on cue.

Whatever the reason...it's going to happen again...

Luke 17:28-30 "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I think it could be a good idea to be on side with this 'Son of man' guy like Lot eh?

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
Asteroids come from space... not from god!

lol...God created Asteroids AND Space and everything within and everything outside.

You think God is a man right?

reply to post by SuperSlovak


I wholeheartedly agree with your theory that biblical stories and religion itself is based on a mixture of seeing things around them that would appear as magic, or miraculous and attributing them to an unseen, all powerful magician or god.

But also, it was based on earlier writings, written by cultures thousands of years before 'biblical times'.

The stories are virtually the same, only the names, places and dates have been altered to fit with what would have been contemporary circumstances.

Ultimately, if you go back in time enough, i think that these stories that were later adapted and incorporated into 'modern' religious belief systems, were based on mistaken identity...ET's seen as miraculous gods..the abilities of which 6 - 10,000 years ago (even 500 years ago), would have appeared godlike...and so, thousands of years later, here we are...with religious wars, my god is better than your god, we are right and you are wrong, follow our god or we'll kill you, etc. etc. etc.

It's little wonder we don't have full open contact with ET races...we still believe in fairytales, even when the proof of the same fairytale, almost word for word existed thousands of years earlier! Yet...still the blinkers are down, and still the pomposity continues.

reply to post by saint4God

Who is 'we' here? I have come to know God, but have not visited an asteroid. Between the two, I have more proof of God than asteroids...but I do believe/have faith that asteroids exist.

The funny thing is this is true. lol
There is more proof.lmao


How sad for you spikey. It appears you have lost all sense of reality.
Let me conveles you thru things.
Aliens, LITTLE green men, fairys ,nomes, leprachans, elves, trolls and gremlins etc. etc. etc. you do see where I'm going with this?



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I have...beautiful country.

If i ever left England...New Zealand is where i'd head for.

Originally posted by Jinni

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
Asteroids come from space... not from god!

lol...God created Asteroids AND Space and everything within and everything outside.

You think God is a man right?

The 'I Am' became a man to die and to transend death...
...or to 'go through' death to be the first of the New Creation...
...He is right now indivisibly both transphysical Man and Spirit.

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by Jinni

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
Asteroids come from space... not from god!

lol...God created Asteroids AND Space and everything within and everything outside.

You think God is a man right?

The 'I Am' became a man to die and to transend death...
...or to 'go through' death to be the first of the New Creation...
...He is right now indivisibly both transphysical Man and Spirit.

Do not confuse Prophets sent by God and People with God-like qualities.

Jesus was a Prophet just like the thousands of Prophets before him.

God gave man qualities that he has like willpower, creator, etc. obviously on an infinitely lesser scale. That's what is means when it says God made man in his image. That is also what made Satan really angry because he too had these qualities and he insulted God by saying why he gave such qualities to a creature made of biological matter.

As much as you want to, you can't believe every word in the Bible anymore. The words have been twisted, removed, edited by criminals and royalty throughout the ages.

I'm sorry but it's a fact.

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by aorAki

 

I have...beautiful country.

If i ever left England...New Zealand is where i'd head for.

England is a cesspit of god-less new-world order, hate mongering, soul-less, lying, backstabbing, racist people.

If you like that then yeah hell is beautiful to the demons.

You are not welcome in New Zealand.





[edit on 13-12-2009 by Jinni]

Originally posted by Jinni
Do not confuse Prophets sent by God and People with God-like qualities.

Jesus was a Prophet just like the thousands of Prophets before him.

God gave man qualities that he has like willpower, creator, etc. obviously on an infinitely lesser scale. That's what is means when it says God made man in his image. That is also what made Satan really angry because he too had these qualities and he insulted God by saying why he gave such qualities to a creature made of biological matter.

As much as you want to, you can't believe every word in the Bible anymore. The words have been twisted, removed, edited by criminals and royalty throughout the ages.

I'm sorry but it's a fact.

The Bible is only a collection of historical manuscripts...
...that are a mere flyer to the main thing...
...but if you can't hear His voice they can't help you either.



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Originally posted by troubleshooter

Do not confuse Prophets sent by God and People with God-like qualities.

Jesus was a Prophet just like the thousands of Prophets before him.

God gave man qualities that he has like willpower, creator, etc. obviously on an infinitely lesser scale. That's what is means when it says God made man in his image. That is also what made Satan really angry because he too had these qualities and he insulted God by saying why he gave such qualities to a creature made of biological matter.

As much as you want to, you can't believe every word in the Bible anymore. The words have been twisted, removed, edited by criminals and royalty throughout the ages.

I'm sorry but it's a fact.

The Bible is only a collection of historical manuscripts...
...that are a mere flyer to the main thing...
...but if you can't hear His voice they can't help you either.

I agree.

Now we need to find the real deal - the real unedited message. The 'main thing'.


[edit on 13-12-2009 by Jinni]

Originally posted by Jinni

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Do not confuse Prophets sent by God and People with God-like qualities.

Jesus was a Prophet just like the thousands of Prophets before him.

God gave man qualities that he has like willpower, creator, etc. obviously on an infinitely lesser scale. That's what is means when it says God made man in his image. That is also what made Satan really angry because he too had these qualities and he insulted God by saying why he gave such qualities to a creature made of biological matter.

As much as you want to, you can't believe every word in the Bible anymore. The words have been twisted, removed, edited by criminals and royalty throughout the ages.

I'm sorry but it's a fact.

The Bible is only a collection of historical manuscripts...
...that are a mere flyer to the main thing...
...but if you can't hear His voice they can't help you either.

I agree.

Now we need to find the real deal - the real unedited message. The 'main thing'.

It is not a message but His personal presence within us...
...and He is not found in a set of doctrinal assumptions...
...but comes to us once we know who He is and what He has achieved.

The Bible and doctrine become then irrelevant...
...because once you know His Spirit it is supersided...
...and you will only use it as a hook to anyone still in darkness.

reply to post by Jinni

I'm sorry but it's a fact.

I'm sorry but wrong is just wrong.
Wait a minute I'm not sorry and wrong is still wrong and you are wrong
and sorry.

If God is God I'm sure he is smart enough to send us, who can read, see, or hear a message and for that message to reach us as he intended
so your message is crap and I'm not still not sorry.

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It's interesting how this thread has turned into a debate about whether or not God created the asteroid or directed it towards the cities, Sodom and Gomorah (sp?). The OP makes a great point about how natural events were explained in the context of God's direction. I'm actually kind of disgusted that religious folks take every opportunity to proselytize, ignoring the context of the original post. I'm a Christian and I don't feel that findng natural explanations for miraculous events portrayed in the bible diminishes the truth contained therin. I'm certainly not bent on converting anyone.

Anyway, enough of my little rant and back to the initial topic of the OP.

Is there any archeological or geological evidence for an asteroid impact in that region at that time? Would be great if someone had more info and maybe posted some links and such...



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Computer simulations solely reflect what the individuals who program the computers believe. They do not "simulate" reality.
This is a common mistake that researchers continue to produce.

Computers assist in allowing for the expedient computation of numbers in very complex situations, but nothing can mimic what we know as reality. A very good example is the WTC implosions. The idiots who call themselves "engineers" used computer simulations to "prove" that the towers collapsed.
Why?
One might ask why would so called engineers make such a glaring fallacy?

Because the physics behind the official storyline can not be reproduced under normal circumstances.
If anyone doubts me, then simulate the fuel tanks that first exploded and then burned for thirty minutes.
Guess what?
You can't. It violates that 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Thus the computer simulations.

While what these scientists are proposing concerning an asteroid and Sodom could have happened, do not ever rely on a computer simulation to provide truth. The same scientists that used computer models to prove the official storyline of 911 are using computer models to prove man made global warming.

History is speculation, and most of what we know is either an outright lie or colored by the many biases of the purchased historians.
See Howard Zinn for a bit of truth.

Did you see the speech where GW Bush said that he was "positive that history would show him as a great president"?

Does he know something that we do not?
Of course he does! Historians need money to produce their work, and the money that they receive comes in the form of grants from the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, Carnegie Foundation, etc....

Just out of curiosity, what are the chances, probability wise, that we are currently living in a computer simulation?
And do those chances increase in proportion to the acceleration found in Moore's Law?

I heard it was taken out by the archangels, serving the high council and Prime Creator, for it was an annanuki stronghold. And these would be your cosmic citizens, ETs, and they don't follow the bible for its a slave religon, along with Divine Mother being Prime Creaor, and Miczael being the cosmic name for Michael.

There are many starseeds, and walk ins, millions,and many are angels. And history isn't what you think it is. Our leaders have their roots in sumeria, and have ruled this planet as a part of the evil empire, through ancient egypt royalty which all the royalty can be traced to through William of Orange, and the illuminati bloodlines, and the 12 tribes of Judah.
The religions are controls so you don't think out of the box, don't meditate and discover on your own you're a matrix, and simply obey. Rome was nwo for those days. Its a little different than you think.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
I have a question, if it was an asteroid that destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gamorrah would there not be some sort of crater in that area of the world?
The volcano explination makes sense as there is alot of sulpher in that area, and an volcanic explosion reigning debris down on both cities would do the same thing, yet there would not be a massive crator and it would explain why both cites were buried.

it was not the asteroid itself that destroyed the cities but the fallout from the asteroid described as glowing brimstone falling from the sky.

if i may add an information that was mentioned in the Quran regarding this incident and it is similar to what you have mentioned :

[11] [81] They (messengers) said: "O Lût (Lot)! Verily, we are the messengers from your Lord! They shall not reach you! So travel with your family in a part of the night, and let not any of you look back; but your wife (will remain behind), verily, the punishment which will afflict them, will afflict her. Indeed, morning is their appointed time. Is not the morning near?"

[11][82] So when Our Commandment came, We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down, and rained on them stones of baked clay, in a well-arranged manner one after another;

actually its a long story but i just wanted to mention what is related to the thread

peace

Originally posted by Josephus23
Computer simulations solely reflect what the individuals who program the computers believe. They do not "simulate" reality.
This is a common mistake that researchers continue to produce.

~snip~

Just out of curiosity, what are the chances, probability wise, that we are currently living in a computer simulation?
And do those chances increase in proportion to the acceleration found in Moore's Law?

I've been trying to locate an article which discusses that very question. The article talks about the Universal constant and the fact that it is such a precise value, any deviation in that value would make the Universe a different place in which life may never have flourished or even developed.

Several hypothesis have been put forth:

1. If unlimited parellel dimensions exist then we just happen to be living in the "right" one.

2. We are living in a simulation developed by some super-intelligent being.

3 God exists.

That was the gist of the article. I found it intersting that even Science is forced to ponder the existance of God based upon their own finidngs. I'll keep searching for that article....

Originally posted by aorAki
I was going to write that you can't argue with idiots or the deluded but then I realised that would be rude.

I'll take it you haven't visited New Zealand either?

It was on my 'to do' list, however if this is how I can expect to be treated there, then perhaps it's best to reconsider. Thanks for not directly calling me an idiot and deluded, but we both know the implications of your above statement. May you meet people for the rest of your days who do not treat you as you've prejudicially treated me.

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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by SuperSlovak

 

Who but God has the power to change the course of an asteroid?
Who but God has the power to set it's course?
Who but God created all things and set them in motion?
I have heard stories of no other.

who????? US!!! thats who...

there are MANY technological methods of re-directing asteroids...some having millions of dollars put into them just incase one comes our way sometime soon

asteroids at the end of the day are just floating rocks...someone throws a rock at you and you see it coming...one option is to catch it and throw it back...another is to bat it out of the way..setting it on a new course...these are all very POSSIBLE things for humans to do

humans can now create babies in laboratories, living cells, basically life itself...we dont need god

im open to the idea of there being a higher power somewhere (perhaps not in our universe) but not a god in the way the bible speaks about...ive heard the stories of the bible and i think its bunch of crock

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