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It is through the experimental method that science is carried forward--not through uncritically accepting the authority of academic or scholastic sources. In the experimental method, observable reality is our only authority. Bernard writes with scientific fervor:
”When we meet a fact which contradicts a prevailing theory, we must accept the fact and abandon the theory, even when the theory is supported by great names and generally accepted”[5]
Experimental science is a constant interchange between theory and fact, induction and deduction. Induction, reasoning from the particular to the general, and deduction, or reasoning from the general to the particular, are never truly separate. A general theory and our theoretical deductions from it must be tested with specific experiments designed to confirm or deny their truth; while these particular experiments may lead us to formulate new theories.
The scientist tries to determine the relation of cause and effect. This is true for all sciences: the goal is to connect a “natural phenomenon” with its “immediate cause.” We formulate hypotheses elucidating, as we see it, the relation of cause and effect for particular phenomena. We test the hypotheses. And when an hypothesis is proved, it is a scientific theory. “Before that we have only groping and empiricism”
Bernard explains what makes a theory good or bad scientifically:
“Theories are only hypotheses, verified by more or less numerous facts. Those verified by the most facts are the best, but even then they are never final, never to be absolutely believed.”[7]
When have we verified that we have found a cause? Bernard states:
Indeed, proof that a given condition always precedes or accompanies a phenomenon does not warrant concluding with certainty that a given condition is the immediate cause of that phenomenon. It must still be established that when this condition is removed, the phenomen will no longer appear….
We must always try to disprove our own theories. “We can solidly settle our ideas only by trying to destroy our own conclusions by counter-experiments” (p. 56). What is observably true is the only authority. If through experiment, you contradict your own conclusions—you must accept the contradiction--but only on one condition: that the contradiction is PROVED.
The “philosophic spirit,” writes Bernard, is always active in its desire for truth. It stimulates a “kind of thirst for the unknown” which ennobles and enlivens science—where, as experimenters, we need “only to stand face to face with nature” [10] The minds that are great “are never self-satisfied, but still continue to strive”
Meanwhile, there are those whose “minds are bound and cramped” [12] They oppose discovering the unknown (which “is generally an unforeseen relation not included in theory”) because they do not want to discover anything that might disprove their own theories.
They make poor observations, because they choose among the results of their experiments only what suits their object, neglecting whatever is unrelated to it and carefully setting aside everything which might tend toward the idea they wish to combat.
Originally posted by InertiaZero
Has everything become an institution?
I say everything has. You cant study without funding, and you dont get funding without producing results.
Maybe thats a bit jaded...
Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
Originally posted by InertiaZero
Has everything become an institution?
I say everything has. You cant study without funding, and you dont get funding without producing results.
Maybe thats a bit jaded...
The sad thing is, often times, even producing results won't get funding if the results negatively affect the institutions funding the studies......
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd
Good OP!
I have two immediate thoughts that come to mind on this topic.
It seems to me that some branches of science have seemingly abandoned the thought of confirming theories with observations or experiments, such as string theory or M-Theory, Multiverse theory, etc. It's necessary to form hypotheses before testing them, but don't they have to be tested at some point versus real world experiments or observations for us to consider their scientific validity? I feel the fact that some of these have run so far in the absence of experiments and observations that it seems like a dangerous thing to still call them science.
The other thought that comes to mind is the discovery of the accelerating expansion of the universe. Here we have observations contrary to our beliefs about the universe. And we can't explain them so we make up a placeholder for a future explanation and call it "dark energy". But it's possible that this is just the first step in some well accepted theories possibly biting the dust in the future. We really won't know what all the fallout will be until we can explain what this "dark energy" effect is. But this is the way science should work, and it's exciting even if a little frustrating that we don't understand it. But thank goodness some sciences like cosmology are still making observations and experiments, maybe the m-theory researchers should have some of those too.
Originally posted by Animal
My pop is a medical researcher working in a private institution. His research is not inline with prevailing thoughts yet he is allowed and even respected for his work. The majority of his funding is through private parties interested in what he is studying and the NIH.
When his research changes direction so too does his funding.
I think the notion that he is not free to pursue topics at will would be amusing to him, especially as he already works outside of the 'norm' in his particular field.
However on the other hand wouldn't you say that there still is cutting edge research taking place and that our understanding of the cosmos and our place in it continues to develop?
Regardless, a S+F for an excellent post.
Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
Do you know what type of medical research your pop is conducting? Clinical trials and lab experiments relatively cheap compared to the long term studies required for nutritional studies. Private sources would be financially pressed to provide funding for such large studies.
Originally posted by Animal
Out of discretion I will say this, he is studying the creation of peptide drug(s) to cure or ameliorate some common medical conditions. I say he is studying outside of the 'norm' in his field because the majority of people conducting similar research do so based on 'stem cell' and 'gene therapy'.
However you are quite right, the cost of his research is minute compared to other fields. I believe he runs three labs for somewhere in the ball-park of 10-20 million a year.
Science doesn't work despite scientists being asses. Science works, to at least some extent, because scientists are asses. Bickering and backstabbing are essential elements of the process. Haven't any of these guys ever heard of "peer review"?
There's this myth in wide circulation: rational, emotionless Vulcans in white coats, plumbing the secrets of the universe, their Scientific Methods unsullied by bias or emotionalism. Most people know it's a myth, of course; they subscribe to a more nuanced view in which scientists are as petty and vain and human as anyone (and as egotistical as any therapist or financier), people who use scientific methodology to tamp down their human imperfections and manage some approximation of objectivity.
But that's a myth too. The fact is, we are all humans; and humans come with dogma as standard equipment. We can no more shake off our biases than Liz Cheney could pay a compliment to Barack Obama. The best we can do-- the best science can do-- is make sure that at least, we get to choose among competing biases.
That's how science works. It's not a hippie love-in; it's rugby. Every time you put out a paper, the guy you pissed off at last year's Houston conference is gonna be laying in wait. Every time you think you've made a breakthrough, that asshole supervisor who told you you needed more data will be standing ready to shoot it down. You want to know how the Human Genome Project finished so far ahead of schedule? Because it was the Human Genome projects, two competing teams locked in bitter rivalry, one led by J. Craig Venter, one by Francis Collins -- and from what I hear, those guys did not like each other at all.
Originally posted by InertiaZero
I worry about this when reading science related articles.
It's become almost a religious type of attitude, and science is supposed to be an option to religious theory.
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.
Quantify, wherever possible.
If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.
Occam's razor - if there are two hypotheses that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.
Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?
It seems that in today's scientific community ideas are blindly accepted and there is little effort to try and disprove the incumbant theory.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It seems to me that some branches of science have seemingly abandoned the thought of confirming theories with observations or experiments, such as string theory or M-Theory, Multiverse theory, etc. It's necessary to form hypotheses before testing them, but don't they have to be tested at some point versus real world experiments or observations for us to consider their scientific validity? I feel the fact that some of these have run so far in the absence of experiments and observations that it seems like a dangerous thing to still call them science.
The other thought that comes to mind is the discovery of the accelerating expansion of the universe. Here we have observations contrary to our beliefs about the universe. And we can't explain them so we make up a placeholder for a future explanation and call it "dark energy". But it's possible that this is just the first step in some well accepted theories possibly biting the dust in the future. We really won't know what all the fallout will be until we can explain what this "dark energy" effect is. But this is the way science should work, and it's exciting even if a little frustrating that we don't understand it. But thank goodness some sciences like cosmology are still making observations and experiments, maybe the m-theory researchers should have some of those too.
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd
Could you provide some examples of this? Please understand what is being asked of you. 'Theory X was widely accepted in the scientific community but was later proved to be wrong' is not an example; science proceeds by falsification.
What you have to show is an instance of a scientific theory or widely-accepted datum that was embraced by the community without investigation, discussion or peer review. A recent one and widely-accepted one, please, not some Victorian outlier.
Indeed, I cannot think of a single 'idea' in science which is 'blindly accepted'. I look forward to being shown one.
We must always try to disprove our own theories. “We can solidly settle our ideas only by trying to destroy our own conclusions by counter-experiments”
1.We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances.
2.Therefore to the same natural effects we must, as far as possible, assign the same causes.
3.The qualities of bodies, which admit neither intension nor remission of degrees, and which are found to belong to all bodies within the reach of our experiments, are to be esteemed the universal qualities of all bodies whatsoever.
4.In experimental philosophy we are to look upon propositions collected by general induction from phænomena as accurately or very nearly true, notwithstanding any contrary hypotheses that may be imagined, till such time as other phænomena occur, by which they may either be made more accurate, or liable to exceptions.
Originally posted by nablator
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It seems to me that some branches of science have seemingly abandoned the thought of confirming theories with observations or experiments, such as string theory or M-Theory, Multiverse theory, etc. It's necessary to form hypotheses before testing them, but don't they have to be tested at some point versus real world experiments or observations for us to consider their scientific validity? I feel the fact that some of these have run so far in the absence of experiments and observations that it seems like a dangerous thing to still call them science.
Every scientific theory should in principle be testable, falsifiable, refutable (Karl Popper). But I think, personally, and theoretical physicists feel the same, that creating the "best" mathematical model or framework for physics (simplest or most "aesthetically" pleasing) is a worthy goal too and should not be labeled pseudoscience.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Dark matter is not something I have a problem with but a great many scientists do, and they have offered numerous alternative explanations for the observed acceleration of the rate of expansion of the universe. Indeed, I cannot think of a single 'idea' in science which is 'blindly accepted'. I look forward to being shown one.