Russian missile explains sky mystery.

MOSCOW (AFP) – Russia's new nuclear-capable missile suffered another failed test launch, the defence ministry said Thursday, solving the mystery of a spectacular plume of white light that appeared over Norway.The Bulava missile was test-fired from the submarine Dmitry Donskoi in the White Sea early Wednesday but failed at the third stage, the defence ministry said in a statement.

The pre-dawn morning launch coincided with the appearance of an extraordinary light over northern Norway that captivated observers.

Images of the light that appeared in the sky above the Norwegian city of Tromso and elsewhere prompted explanations ranging from a meteor, northern lights, a failed missile or even a UFO.

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reply to post by alyosha1981


More likely a very successful test ... followed by denial and disinformation to detract from the possibility that the Russians are testing some incredibly new offensive/defensive technology.

What better way to deflect interest than by saying "we f**cked up" again !

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I agree and I'm kinda dissapointed that this may turn out to ba failed missile test afterall, I thought it could have been more.

Originally posted by alyosha1981
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I agree and I'm kinda dissapointed that this may turn out to ba failed missile test afterall, I thought it could have been more.

Don't be too eager to accept the "official explanation" of a failed test.

Everything about the visuals seemed too perfect to be accounted for by a so-called "out of control/failed" missile test. You'd have to work damn hard to create a visual display as good and perfect as that was.
A missile/rocket flying out of control just doesn't cut the mustard as far as I'm concerned ....

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I agree with your theory trust me, I don't like to take the official answer either but this just seems to fit a failed test to me.

If it was an out of control failed launch, would they not have known quickly what was going on and destroyed the missle.

I have seen video of failed launches and theres generally a pretty cool fire ball when they destroy it but I havent found any pictures or reports if the fireball was visable.

I have to admit dont know anything about missiles so not sure if there would be an explosive destruction of the missile.

Originally posted by jpmail
If it was an out of control failed launch, would they not have known quickly what was going on and destroyed the missle.

I have seen video of failed launches and theres generally a pretty cool fire ball when they destroy it but I havent found any pictures or reports if the fireball was visable.

I have to admit dont know anything about missiles so not sure if there would be an explosive destruction of the missile.

If there was remaining fuel onboard, one would assume that there most likely would be an explosion. Even so, remote detonating a failed/faulty rocket would be definitely visible, especially at night ... but in this case, no visible confirmation of self-destruct which in itself is very strange.

Again, simplest explanation is that it was a successful test which is being actively promoted as a "failure" to divert spculation as to what sort of technology was being tested.

Honestly, why do you all waste your time listening to some 'official' explanation.


Soon there will be more and no amount of rocket mumbo jumbo will explain it away.


Time for humanity to wake up.

I have a hard time believing that this was a failed rocket test. I think it was a test for something else tho.

The funny thing is that Russia initially denied that they even fired a missile or at least that is what was reported on a news show I was watching the other night.

So first they denied even firing a missile and now it is confirmed they did? Sounds like an easy explanation to keep people from asking questions to me.

Hehe I find it funny everyone is so disappointed. If the official story turns out to be true, it would be kind of a victory. A secret military test launch that was exposed. The Bulava is a special experimental missile designed to bypass enemy countermeasures including EMP and nuclear. In truth it was most likely designed in response to American missile shields. If the Russians have still failed to successfully develop one, that is a noteworthy piece of military news.


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If the Russians have still failed to successfully develop one, that is a noteworthy piece of military news.

Except for the Russian statement that the test failed, there's absolutely no reason to believe or accept that - the test could just as easily have been successful and the visual effects displayed a result of some kind of new technology that's under test.

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Was there an official denial?

reply to post by stirfryer


That test wasn't secret.

here's someone who has duplicated the effect using an animation, makes a lot of sense to me



direct link (because i can't get the above one to work)
www.youtube.com...



A rocket is was!

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While they weren't actually missles or rockets, I can remember the Challenger solid rocket boosters spiraling after the destruction of the shuttle...nothing close to what happened over Norway. I find it hard to believe that an errant rocket can create such perfect spirals with such a consistent thickness and shape of the "trails" that make up the spiral. There isn't even as much as a break in the spiral, and has there been an explanation of what caused the blue "pulsing" ray that accompanied the phenomenon?

In every video and picture that I have seen, the spiral appears flat. The animation and the Youtube video of a rocket failure are 3 dimensional... you can see it growing, but no matter the source of the Norway lights, the image is flat and instead of growing in depth (3D) it grows in circumference...

here is the best video footage I have found...

link.brightcove.com...

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Hardly! There's a good video showing why it's very, very easy to get such a display:



It amazes me how people assume they know best about things they only have a fleeting knowledge of. "I find it hard to believe that an errant rocket can create such perfect spirals with such a consistent thickness" - because you are not a rocket scientist, or because you haven't studied physics a great deal! If you have, you'd know that it's perfectly reasonable for something like that to happen, and that it is not a mystery.

OK, where's your degree? I will not accept your assumptions or other statements...I believe you assume that the "rocket" stayed on one dimensional plane instead of a 3D flight path, moving both horizontally and vertically...animation is nice, but it's just a supposition of what someone thinks happened...and unless you were there and observed this event first hand, my opinions are just as valid as yours. I may not be a rocket scientist, and the experience I have with rockets may be of the Centuri and Estes variety (over 30 various models from SaturnV on down successfully and unsuccessfully launched), but I HAVE participated in UAV/RPV programs while a government employee and do understand flight dynamics. I have also observed both civilian and military (THAAD) rocket launches (again, both successful and unsuccessful), and have seen rockets spiral out of control, and NONE I have seen have ever left a pattern even remotely similar to the animation or the Norway event.

Aww man what a let down it really was an awesome photo couldnt have looked more like a wormhole or small vortex. Or at least what i would perceive as them. Ive never had a first impression like that my first thought was wormhole and im really not into that field of interest. O well it was exciting for a few. STUPID missiles does any country really need more bombs.?? Humans arent happy unless we are on the edge of total destruction. Cant we all just get along.

Originally posted by blujay
Honestly, why do you all waste your time listening to some 'official' explanation.
Soon there will be more and no amount of rocket mumbo jumbo will explain it away.
Time for humanity to wake up.

Wanna put money where your mouth is?

Originally posted by ROGUESPEAR3
While they weren't actually missles or rockets, I can remember the Challenger solid rocket boosters spiraling after the destruction of the shuttle...nothing close to what happened over Norway. I find it hard to believe that an errant rocket can create such perfect spirals with such a consistent thickness and shape of the "trails" that make up the spiral. There isn't even as much as a break in the spiral, and has there been an explanation of what caused the blue "pulsing" ray that accompanied the phenomenon?

With the white spiral on top, The blue ray was the second stage of the rocket, below it was the first stage-- it was an orange color. (holy crappy sentences batman)

Or it was something more. . . as blujay stated.

Also I wanted to state Obama didn't show up until a day later
and
What is the deal with the reports of the blue beam thing coming down after the spiral?
If this report were true is there an explanation for this?

I wish there was a polling function on ATS. it would be interesting to see what the spilt would be rocket vs ???.

Thanks
J





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There is no evidence to prove it was a failed missile. In order to unequivocably prove it, I would need these questions answered:

-How does an out of control rocket stay at a single point in the sky and then creat a "halo" effect when it expends its fuel.
-If it was a rocket why is there no contrail of it arriving to it's point of spinning or falling to the ground?
-Why has no debris been discovered?
-If it was fuel being ejected causing the spiral then wouldn't it have eventually been overcome by gravity creating an uneven object instead of a perfect spiral further extending into the night sky( also assuming there was no wind to distort its appearance)
-What then is the blue spiraling (ribbon shaped) light, reaching the ground?
-What caused its conical shape? (larger at white spiral and focused on the ground)
-When the spiral collapsed, what caused the "halo" effect?
-Why is it that once the white spiral formed into the "halo" did the finely winded blue light began to dissipate from it's point of origin (white spiral) downwards to the ground?

Could this have been the inspiration for all the spiral petroglyphs around the world?