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The focus of this topic is purely my thoughts on this life through the eyes of a spiritual medium. It is not intended to change the views of those who are already in disagreance with me. This is an alternative thread for those who believe they have a purpose here, for those who want to discuss that purpose, and for those who want to discover their purpose.

Many would agree that education is power. To take power away many institutions made sure that those in poverty and those viewed as less than equal (women and slaves) were not given an education. Reading, understanding new knowledge, and becoming skilled would threaten the way society was run. We fought hard for the right to understand and progress as individuals and as communities. Yet, there are millions of children all over the world denied the right tto learn, denied an education, and denied a life (lack of education puts people on the streets).
While the priveledged (We don't like to think of ourselves this way, but truly what else are we but lucky to have such advantages)sit in stiff chairs, listening to long lectures, itching to leave, there are people wishing to trade places with you.
The effort, the pain (who hasn't been bullied?) and the hard work placed into school is worth it!! We come out with more knowledge than we leave with.

Some may argue that schools are conformity and feeding us poisonous information. Those people were probably never denied the right to learn their own language, to read a book, or to write a novel of their own.

We graduate and become stronger individuals, we are more intelligent, and we can use that knowledge to help other people.


Your soul has been through many lessons here on Earth already. This is a beautiful planet with joys that cannot ever be experienced on the Other Side. What sort of joys are not possible in a world where souls are perfectly whole and happy? The joy of having your first child, the joy of being a child and opening a present from Santa, watching the sports with your dad, or shopping with your mom. There are priceless moments that can be given to us here that cannot upon death. Think of your happiest memory, would you give that memory up? Before being born would that memory be worth the difficulties of life?
Duality...Are you uncertain how this is needed?
Without suffering there'd be no compassion?
Which soul is more progressed? The one which understands to help someone in need is 'good' or the soul who cannot grasp what compassion is? They haven't ever had the need to help a person out. You, the soul which has stretched a hand out to someone in need-is the more progressed soul. How may we learn this compassion though? We must know what it feels like to be wronged, we must understand pain in order to ever want to heal it.

There are studies done in which show those who do not experience emotions the same way we do (psychopathic individuals do not feel embarrassment, or emotional pain the way we do. They lack this ability!). These individuals who are not murdering others are called successful psychopaths. These individuals are busy finding ways to manipulate you, to hurt you, and they won't feel bad about it.
You know that guilty feeling you get when something went wrong? As a child this feeling helped you to know right from wrong. A psychopathic individual never feels this guilt and therefore never learn to become compassionate. Guilt was natures way of teaching -there needs be duality. Guilt and pain to tell us this is wrong!!! This shouldn't happen!! Why does your hand burn in a fire?? To tell you to take it out!
What about those with a condition that makes them unable to feel pain. Do you know what happens? They wreck their body b.c nothing is there to stop them from knowing they are scratching too hard or biting too hard. (we've all chewed on our lips..imagine chewing them off? yuck) Pain isn't bad by itself. The ability to feel pain is obviously abused by those wo are criminal in nature and intensified by the injustices of the world (Those who are hungry and cold).


how many of you had a miracle happen? How many of you experienced a coincedence way too powerful to leave it at 'coincedence'? How many of you felt you met someone due to fate? Destiny of any kind shows purpose, shows our plans, and our choice to be here.




I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet, strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers.
Kahlil Gibran



We are here to learn, be critical thinkers, solve problems creatively. Sometimes we are the student, sometimes we are the teacher. There is no 'one' person here to teach us. You are a teacher, you are the student. We are all 'one' in this way.

You are here with a great opportunity to learn and share. What ashame it would be to waste such a gift moaning and being upset that we are stuck here as children do while learning to read. How pitiful are we to waste our time trying to leave or understand the Other Side while barely looking at those around us or barely understanding THIS world. Education is power. Educating the soul on compassion creates a better afterlife.

Can you imagine our afterlife if we knew nothing of helping people? Why create art for people ? They smile on their own, why bake a cake for someone ? They will be happy without that. Materials may not be important on the other side, but our creativity is!! Or socialism is!! We are able to create and enjoy just as we do here. Only, we do it for others not ourselves. We have no need for money and so we build and create and 'do' things for the sake of love-b.c we understand giving and compassion. We remember.
Perfect on the other side without lessons? pfft, never. lol. We aren't born angels. We are flawed and learning makes us spiritual people. This is why some souls are higher than others. Jesus? He knew compassion better than many and still doed know it better than many. Same with Mother teresa. These individuals know compassion and their display of it is remarkable. They did not learn this on the other side where only happiness remains. When all souls were created they were equal in knowledge and purity. They had to learn this somewhere and probably through lives on earth or other planets- learned duality, learned morals..etc.

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You are free to leave this world when it is your time to cross over. You're in control and nobody else.
I once met an earthbound who did not cross over due to his Catholic belief system. He thought it would lead him to hell. The poor soul was avictim to the teachings he'd been given. Teachings that placed him in a box and didn't let him out. Do not fall victim of things such as this. Know your soul is powerful and free to roam the universe (Those who have astral traveled to other planets or within space may nod and agree that their souls were not trapped).

This thread is to hear about you- What is your purpose? Who wouldn't be here today without you being alive? What is your memory that makes this life worth it all? Tell me an example of when you were the teacher and when you were the student, Have you ever had someone from the Other Side save your life/or a friends life b.c they were important for a mission on Earth? Who is able to recall choosing their life before being born? (I do!). Any thoughts you want to add?

HOW ARE YOU IMPORTANT TO THIS WORLD? this is a real question. I believe you are important, tell us why. If you feel you aren't-what are you going to do about that?

I love how you mention duality and then go on to mention the natural lessons of this life.

Too many times we are stuck wondering about the "other side" as you refer to it. I may call it by another name but I believe it's the same in this circumstance. Too many times we burden ourselves with trying to gain knowledge and understanding of a realm that we don't even live in....

S&F for you
A2D

edit to add: I feel my purpose doesn't exist in this realm...I am uncertain as to why I have incarnated here...

[edit on 10-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
I love how you mention duality and then go on to mention the natural lessons of this life.

Too many times we are stuck wondering about the "other side" as you refer to it. I may call it by another name but I believe it's the same in this circumstance. Too many times we burden ourselves with trying to gain knowledge and understanding of a realm that we don't even live in....

S&F for you
A2D

edit to add: I feel my purpose doesn't exist in this realm...I am uncertain as to why I have incarnated here...

[edit on 10-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]

Yes, too many times we are stuck remembring our home in the spirit world. There is your real life-B.c this is merely your school. You are only here a short while (We all are). You certaintly have a purpose back home, just as you must have one for coming here to Earth. Sometimes, our friends or family are the reason. We may have had a previous life with someone where an issue was unresolved. Their soul may need this solved in order to feel progress. To help them out, you agree to a life with them once again. During the planning stages, you will find other 'lessons' to get done in the meantime (It's like heck, might as well kill two birds with one stone). They may not feel as intense because it's like taking an extra class you don't need as much, but it's nontheless, there.

It is getting to be the season where people lose sight of their purpose and importance in life. They feel trapped and unwanted. I want those people to know that they are so important and powerful. How strong they must be for choosing one of the hardest schools there are!-Earth! We are all powerful beings, not supressed by anything unless we choose to be. You are free to act ...You are free to act now on all your goals. You are a free soul. You thoughts are free your reactions are free (see stoicism).



[edit on 10-12-2009 by Zerra]

Nice post star and Flag!

Can I ask you a couple of questions?

What were the purpose of dinosaurs when they existed?

What purpose does it serve the soul when a young child dies after a month or less?

What purpose does it serve the soul to experience a mental illness or been trapped in a coma for 30 years?


These questions have always bothered me.

Originally posted by kcfusion
Nice post star and Flag!

Can I ask you a couple of questions?

What were the purpose of dinosaurs when they existed?

What purpose does it serve the soul when a young child dies after a month or less?

What purpose does it serve the soul to experience a mental illness or been trapped in a coma for 30 years?


These questions have always bothered me.

The mind of a human being is a different species than that of a dinosaur or another animal. We have self awareness and are able to better ourselves and work towards a personal goal that goes well beyond that of instinct. Animals I have met with in the spirit realm also seem well aware of themselves and are as intelligent as you or I, if not more so. There is no body limitations. There must be some reason they are to be limited and innocent, and instinctual whil on Earth. I have been told they have their own lessons which do not surpass their mission here to teach humans about millions of different topics. Dinosaurs I have never met but I have no doubt their purpose was served and they moved on into a realm in which they were more suitable. Not to say they did not serve their own personal agenda, however , what about the concept of time? The creators own clock. How long have the humans been here? Give them something to measure it by. ( Yes, I do believe in a God and science. This isn't to offend anyone with beliefs which are different. Just my point of view). I'm no scientist , so I have no idea what else the dinosuars have been good for or what impact they've had on things while here on Earth. That would make for an interesting research project. But as I can't tell you a strangers purpose (b.c it is within them) I cannot tell you for sure what each dinosaurs purpose was or if they were here to help us (upon death).

The child situation is a sensitive one for many, including myself as I know many people who have lost their children. My heart goes out to them.
What you are asking is if there is purpose to a situation, while I am discussing individualistic purposes. You are asking if the child had a purpose in dying young while I am saying she had a purpose in living. Situations (Accidents, illness, disease etc) are settings in which our lessons can take place.
Situations give us duality -a free will. A creator nor an alien nor a devil made a man get drunk and start to drive his vehicle into that of another families. No devil or alien or God made us focus on our stomachs and fast foods and toys instead of putting money into supporting cures for diseases.When will we learn to take responsibility fo our own learning? I do not know.

We are here to experience it all and for that reason, there are NO purposes that could be given for a child dying that would satisfy anyone living. We are supposed to feel pain and we are supposed to be disturbed by it. We are supposed to think it is wrong and fight for cures and fight for justice and fight for safer drivers (however it happened). We aren't always meant to remember 'how come'-But we are required to remember how to survive it and how to help others with the knowledge we now have. Ever notice how people won't donate to a cure until they've lost someone to it ? Until we have human kind caring for that which is outside their understanding and experience, we will have to keep experiencing. We also have to keep helping.

A child's purpose is his or her own-between themselves and those they interacted with. Sometimes I see so much wisdom in the eyes of a child. A times they seem to know more about love than any adult.


mental illness just like any disease is a horrible experience. Yet, it is important not to take away the value of a life-They do have their own individualistic purposes. Something they are good at doing or something that brings awareness. But you are asking of the situations purpose. The setting in which lessons take place.

Did you know that there is so much myth surrounding mental illness and so much hate towards these people that money for institutions are slipping away (nobody is helping). Did you know that when there is no home for those who can't function without help they end up on the streets? hundreds of places close down and many people end up dead. It's sickening and sad how much we will spend on a flat screen TV but not on our fellow man.It's also sad how people spread myths about how mental illness is fake and they should be left alone and not taken into an institution. Because sadly...many of them are left alone and die as a result. This in itself should speak volumes to how much learning we have left. We haven't stopped judging people-so how are lessons to end yet.

My family member was in a coma. I hope that it taught the driver who hit him a lesson. I never met them and they were not punished by the law-But I have no doubt that they will have learned something from that experience. You can't take away a person's life and come out of that untouched. What we need to ask ourselves are they being the teacher or going through a lesson? I would say a coma patient is teaching. Mostly I see coma patients in the astral form-They are not suffering within the body ut may see and hear their family. They are already long gone-to their home on the other side.

My friend..Life is complex and there is no simple answer as to why we suffer. There are many reasons-but are we in jail? Aren't we free to chose what we focus on ? To help a soul or to watch TV? Do we create our own prison or freedom making those choices?


I am lucky to see the Other Side and I know we aren't trapped here. It's such a short time here compared to eternity on the Other Side.

Smetimes we chose to go to school knowing the outcome is worth it-We choose our courses..but when we get to th eessays and exams we think "Ugh..whyyyyy did i DO this to myself!!! This sucks" Then we get a grade-perhaps a good one! And you think to yourself..Thankgoodness I struggled through all that. I now have my reward. It feels good and looking back that semester wasn't really so long (in retrospect).Life's like that....we pass on and think YES! I made it! it wasn't so long there (time is different there).


Well, that's just my thoughts. There are more reasons than I can even imagine for being here-but we are still learning them

I created this thread in opposition to a thread that is stating we are merely nothing but slaves here with no purpose (in the grey area) I want to give people an alternative to this. This is my intent, to show the goodness we have here.


There are those who feel priveledged to own the only truths out there. I believe we all hold truths within us and we are all valuable for it.

Love and light to all.

I may not agree with most of what you believe ..

But I as a person who is not very educated (at least of things you learn in school) has been through many many a trial in life (hard hard ones) lived off the land (literally ) the first 12 years of my life ...and had to strive long and hard for everything (emotions as well) .............I can tell you that the things I learned from just living life (without an education) are priceless .

I learned how to have compassion and mercy from people not having any compassion and mercy on me (been beaten,abused and watched my mother go through the same thing) ...........people who hated (my exes) are the reasons why I LOVE as much as I do ...they taught me to be forgiving (as I had to forgive them every time they treated me horribly) ..going through all of that taught me to be longsuffering (as I suffered long with their emotional turmoils that they felt inside which was why they mistreated me) I learned to look beyond what people do and say to who they really are inside and why they feel like they need to do what they .......they are no different than an alcoholic or drug addict (they are trying to hide and cover and be numb so that they cannot feel nor see their spiritual pains) and I for one cared enough about them as a person to stay and help them through it all (maybe it was stupid and maybe they didnt learn a thing ..but I SURE DID learn alot) ....................

So I agree ...we learn compassion when we are not getting any compassion..we learn longsuffering by suffering long with those who suffer.
We learn love by loving the unlovable (because you really do have to learn to love everyone unconditionally or we wouldnt love anyone because everyone has an enormous amounts of faults) ..............
We learn to forgive or we learn that we dont get forgiven either (I have had many who would not forgive me and it really doesnt feel to good when you truly want them to forgive you and they dont ) .......

Always put yourselves in the shoes of others and you will certainly do the right thing then with everyone ....at least thats what I try to do and it works for me ...do unto others as YOU would have THEM do unto you .not as they would do unto you ..but as you would want them to do unto you if you were in their shoes ........



ok sorry I rambled on your post ..I was feeling talkative again (been sick but as you can see I am much better) lol ....

Overall good post OP ...

Originally posted by Simplynoone
I may not agree with most of what you believe ..

But I as a person who is not very educated (at least of things you learn in school) has been through many many a trial in life (hard hard ones) lived off the land (literally ) the first 12 years of my life ...and had to strive long and hard for everything (emotions as well) .............I can tell you that the things I learned from just living life (without an education) are priceless .

I learned how to have compassion and mercy from people not having any compassion and mercy on me (been beaten,abused and watched my mother go through the same thing) ...........people who hated (my exes) are the reasons why I LOVE as much as I do ...they taught me to be forgiving (as I had to forgive them every time they treated me horribly) ..going through all of that taught me to be longsuffering (as I suffered long with their emotional turmoils that they felt inside which was why they mistreated me) I learned to look beyond what people do and say to who they really are inside and why they feel like they need to do what they .......they are no different than an alcoholic or drug addict (they are trying to hide and cover and be numb so that they cannot feel nor see their spiritual pains) and I for one cared enough about them as a person to stay and help them through it all (maybe it was stupid and maybe they didnt learn a thing ..but I SURE DID learn alot) ....................

So I agree ...we learn compassion when we are not getting any compassion..we learn longsuffering by suffering long with those who suffer.
We learn love by loving the unlovable (because you really do have to learn to love everyone unconditionally or we wouldnt love anyone because everyone has an enormous amounts of faults) ..............
We learn to forgive or we learn that we dont get forgiven either (I have had many who would not forgive me and it really doesnt feel to good when you truly want them to forgive you and they dont ) .......

Always put yourselves in the shoes of others and you will certainly do the right thing then with everyone ....at least thats what I try to do and it works for me ...do unto others as YOU would have THEM do unto you .not as they would do unto you ..but as you would want them to do unto you if you were in their shoes ........



ok sorry I rambled on your post ..I was feeling talkative again (been sick but as you can see I am much better) lol ....

Overall good post OP ...

Lovely avatar image you have i must say =D

Life experience is the most valuable for sure. My post on education is only to explain something that is truly abstract-as Earth being a school with something people are able to relate to.
It is good to hear that you realize your lessons in life and see the good in all people. You seem to be very spiritually aware and despite differences in our beliefs-Finding the goodness in others and learning while here is of the outmost importance. Thankyou for sharing and feel free to post as long as you'd like. This is what it is here for


PS-i would star your post but all the stars are gone?? I can't see any.

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So much stuff I just don't understand, life just feels like a head f***, it's not that I don't have my beliefs, I do, but sometimes, nothing makes sense and it leaves you feeling empty.

I don't doubt your sincerety, but forgive me in saying that i've heard it before and it's even had little sparkly bits that make me go ''whoa'' and I don't disbelieve, but the more I think, the more it does'nt make sense to me!

Originally posted by valiant
So much stuff I just don't understand, life just feels like a head f***, it's not that I don't have my beliefs, I do, but sometimes, nothing makes sense and it leaves you feeling empty.

I don't doubt your sincerety, but forgive me in saying that i've heard it before and it's even had little sparkly bits that make me go ''whoa'' and I don't disbelieve, but the more I think, the more it does'nt make sense to me!

You know how it makes sense when we decide to go to school as a child? We get to go to grade 2 or three have our homework, get good grades, make friends, then come home? But inside the school program is also the playground-The rules get broken, people behave wrongly and we can sometimes have bad days as well as good days. We forget that once here on earth we have free will to treat the earth and the people here the way we choose to. This in itself creates a school ground of chaos. It is difficult within our own 'playground' to find something productive to do, to help someone, to make a friend, and to find out what we are learning. Although we come with a purpose (as a child goes to grade school for a purpose) once in the playground....We take what we're learning and put it into action. That's the way I can see it. I'm definitely not saying that every little thing in this world has a purpose-(If there is , it goes beyond anyone's understanding).
But for now, I'm only concentrating on ..let's put it this way


If your purpose is to get from point A to point F-Whose to tell you what to do inbetween? How do you get there? which path to take? Is there only one direction to your goal or ten billion? Freedom within creates a little bit of 'seeming 'chaos.

The path you take helps you learn, when you reach your goal you help teach. There are many goals within one life..sometimes millions of tiny goals.

What makes us different than a slave to earth-is that we aren't forced to accomplish anything, we aren't forced to finish, and we aren't forced to come back. It's just hard to stop our souls from doing what it needs/wants to when it's on an unconcious level.


There are evil souls which never reach the Other Side where it is possible to choose lessons. They are cycling through without reason-This would cause disturbance in other people's plans and goals in life. To have duality and free will-comes with a price but how that is handled on Earth and the Other Side may be a different matter-diff story to get into. As I said, it is very complex..there's no black or white..no one truth. There's purpose there's chaos, there's all of the above b.c we are free. This life is not fluffy bunnies and rainbows...It's tough. But in the end, we aren't slaves to another alien race-we are free (and this can be agreed upon even by those who have no creator beliefs). That we can take responsibility for how we react and act in this world




[edit on 10-12-2009 by Zerra]

Originally posted by Zerra

Some may argue that schools are conformity and feeding us poisonous information. Those people were probably never denied the right to learn their own language, to read a book, or to write a novel of their own.

We graduate and become stronger individuals, we are more intelligent, and we can use that knowledge to help other people.

I actually agree with both sides of the coin. It's poisonous if you conform to it, but is a source of knowledge and wisdom if you can distinguish what matters from what not.

let me enumerate what matters and what not in education:

What matters:
-How things society, people, laws, morals, biology, machines, everything) - it helps you a lot to distinguish what's right from wrong and can be your effective protection from those who try to exploit you...

What not:
-competition
-competition
-competition

Competition is not the best and can even be detrimental to society. We end up doing the same things over and over and waste a lot of resources trying to get above the rest.

We really shouldn't be doing what others already do, you'll just end up exhausted and waste a lot of time trying to get to the top(yep, those on top, tend to be very old, in most situations)

What we should do is 'build our own road'. Then drive it, love it. We end up happy, healthy, content, have plenty of free time, and sleep well in the night. But best of all, we help to advance society one step ahead. I'm talking of pioneering something, doing what nobody has done before for the benefit of mankind Education can help you a lot in pioneering things, if you can keep an open mind!

[edit on 10-12-2009 by ahnggk]

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I get what your saying

But I feel like we should have more knowledge of whatever personal purpose we are here for, you know free will aside, you cant do a job without knowing what job you're supposed to be doing

Great thread and lots to think about. I do not, however, necessarily believe that we are here to just be learn, be critical thinkers and to solve problems. These things are simply tools that we use for the real reason we are here: and that is the become self aware of the inner God that lies within. Our second nature, if you like.

The mind, spirit and body are temples that exist in time and space. And anything that exists in time and space is temporal. The Self, your inner Being who watches and observes is outside of time and space. Through awareness do we come to know this Self. Through use of the mind, the spirit and the body do we become self aware of God.


[edit on 10-12-2009 by Neo__]

Originally posted by valiant
reply to post by Zerra

 

I get what your saying

But I feel like we should have more knowledge of whatever personal purpose we are here for, you know free will aside, you cant do a job without knowing what job you're supposed to be doing

I agree ^_^ I think for the most part our true path/goal is within us. It's a deeply routed need to do something specific-whether to become a doctor or an artist. Maybe you feel compelled to sing or write a novel, maybe you feel that all you want to do is care and protect a baby of your own. I don't know what exactly but our pupose must be something within us that we love to do or want really badly. Then I think there are things that just happen inbetween that we never realized. But if you're asking just what you should be doing-I'd say just living life to your best, loving your best, and doing what you can to live your life so that you are happy. everyone else just becomes apart of that happiness. I think because we cannot truly be happy only loving ourselves or only helping ourselves.

Just my thought

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Nice

Knowing would make me kick my shoes off, sit down and breathe unfortunately, I have not got an incling

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Am I the only one who can't see the star system on here anymore? Is there a reason for it to be taken away?

Originally posted by Zerra
Am I the only one who can't see the star system on here anymore? Is there a reason for it to be taken away?

It's because anything posted on Religion, Faith and Theology shouldn't be in need of star recoginition. What you post here should not be about you or me.

Originally posted by Neo__

Originally posted by Zerra
Am I the only one who can't see the star system on here anymore? Is there a reason for it to be taken away?

It's because anything posted on Religion, Faith and Theology shouldn't be in need of star recoginition. What you post here should not be about you or me.

Okay. I didn't realize the rules were different here sillies me.
My thread was originally elsewhere and the star system was there. I enjoy starring ppl and making them feel happy about contributing. It's all cools!



[edit on 12-12-2009 by Zerra]

Originally posted by Neo__
Great thread and lots to think about. I do not, however, necessarily believe that we are here to just be learn, be critical thinkers and to solve problems. These things are simply tools that we use for the real reason we are here: and that is the become self aware of the inner God that lies within. Our second nature, if you like.

The mind, spirit and body are temples that exist in time and space. And anything that exists in time and space is temporal. The Self, your inner Being who watches and observes is outside of time and space. Through awareness do we come to know this Self. Through use of the mind, the spirit and the body do we become self aware of God.


[edit on 10-12-2009 by Neo__]

Please keep in mind I am not covering all topics in the thread and haven't really used the word 'just' at all.

I would still grant self awareness as a learning process that takes time and patience. To understand 'self' is a long journey that many philosophers are still burdened with. It is something that is learned through many different experiences and sometimes questions from within. As you said, learning is the tool towards self awareness-I'm not sure we disagree at all really ^_^


As I said a person goes to school for their degree-but what is their degree for?

A person comes to Earth to learn and experience-but what for? -I leave this up to the person and their own belief system. Whether it be for self awareness, enlightenment, to be one with god etc..