How Do you know that you're human?

With all the dislikes, fears and other emotions going on between us and them (and them could be very wide and wild range of definitions), how do you know that you’re not one of them? How can you be sure that you’re actually a human? Human as in species that faces a threat from secret entities. I leave the definition of them open for your discussion on purpose, because I myself do not know who “them” are.

But whoever they are, how do you know that you’re not one of them? You could be one of them without even knowing. Here's more down to Earth example: some sleeper spies did not know that they were spies until activation, or even after and during activation. Fiction is full of these scenarios, one minute you’re fighting infected zombies another minute you’re one of them, but you were infected for some time. SG1 team was copied into machines, which thought they were original Arnie was a clone but thought he was an original. Some characters were “royal blood” from the start, but did not know about it. And royal blood is a good one, it’s an allegory for so many things. But I think you get my point by now:

Prove it that you’re normal human, not one of them prove it to yourself.

As a second thought, once you know that you’re not who you thought you are, that moment of transition/realization, what would you do? Which side you be on? The moment you can see both sides, which side you betray? Will you try to reconcile the two? And so on

Sorry mods, this was supposed to go in general conspiracy, not sure how did I get in this category. can you move it pls?

reply to post by mushibrain

How Do you know that you're human?

I think, therefore I am, I think.
Beyond that, exactly 'what' I think I am is somewhat less important. That I am is enough and if I am human, then it's a good day. But even if I am NOT human, I still exist.

I kind of see the body (human or otherwise) as a shell or machine in which the persona or spirit, as it were, exists much like an operator of the same.

Many have this notion that ET might think differently than humans so that communication might be a difficult thing. But I do feel that there are enough universal constants, even without absolute proof.

In other words, you may have been raised to drive a Chevy in the US and on the right side of the road. But if you go to the UK, there are enough common frames of reference to successfully drive a Bentley or a Jag on the left.

I think.

Thanks for the morning brain shake-down... now I need another cup of coffee

reply to post by redoubt


Cogito Ergo Sum (sp) I think therefore I am , true true.

I KNOW I am Human because I am disappointed with everyone else, and to be Human is to Err.
We make so many mistakes, we never learn from our past mistakes, and that is disappointing to me, besides if I WEREN'T Human I'd have a way off this rock, either that or I'd be an animal and wouldn't be having this conversation .

I don't think I need much mroe proof...I have seen the descriptions of other races or beings and I just don't fit the other scenarios at all

a human is me

-Kyo

reply to post by mushibrain


Can I prove that I'm not a spaghetti monster in disguise? Nope!

The most likely explanation until another one is found, is that I'm human.

Of course if you don't bleed or you can fly, etc, then further investigation may be necessary. Otherwise if you appear (inside & out), feel and behave human, then that's probably what you are!

Unless there are otherwordly "humans" then hell knows!

[edit on 9-12-2009 by john124]

I know I'm not a human. No one in their right mind would claim to be a human if they knew what a human is.

Hu is Greek which means color. Human means color of man. Color, seemingly as if, as in color of law, color of office, etc.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary of the English Language says: sub-man, as in beast. Beneath man. Look it up, do not believe everything you've taught!

[edit on 12/9/2009 by Autarchic]

I can definitely confirm my human status ..... how ?

I was visited by the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam who tested me by placing my hand in a pain by nerve induction box. As she increased the pain level, she at the same time held the Gom Jabbar at my neck and threatened to poison me with it if I withdrew my hand.
I proved my humanness by NOT withdrawing my hand even when the pain became unbearable ... a human can overcome any pain by force of will ... whereas an animal would have withdrawn.

Originally posted by DataWraith
reply to post by redoubt

 

We make so many mistakes, we never learn from our past mistakes, and that is disappointing to me, besides if I WEREN'T Human I'd have a way off this rock, either that or I'd be an animal and wouldn't be having this conversation.

All very true, bravo! But you know what? Something tells me that to err is not just a human thing. I think the probabilities favor a universal constant for imperfection or... that as merely a conceptual infinitive, perfection is simply, perfectly, impossible here.

How do I know that I am Human?

Hmm... Well, I have had my blood taken recently so I think if I didn't have human blood/DNA I would be locked up in a little room by now.

but.. my girlfriend.. I defiantly have my doubts about Her!

I mated with a human and created a viable offspring, therefore biologically speaking, I am of the same species of that which I mated.

I know that I am human, because I dream of being more.

reply to post by mushibrain



If you can prove that "they" exist, then I can probably prove I'm not one of "them."

Ray Hyman's categorical directive: "Before we try to explain something, we should be sure it actually happened." Hall's corollary is "Before we do research on something, we should make sure it exists."

Originally posted by mushibrain
With all the dislikes, fears and other emotions going on between us and them (and them could be very wide and wild range of definitions), how do you know that you’re not one of them? How can you be sure that you’re actually a human? Human as in species that faces a threat from secret entities. I leave the definition of them open for your discussion on purpose, because I myself do not know who “them” are.

But whoever they are, how do you know that you’re not one of them?

I really like this question. I have wondered about this myself because in some circles it is said that there are aliens who look very much like us but you can tell them apart and they also claim there are others who are so exactly like us in appearance that you could not tell them from human beings. So I wonder about everyone...could they be an alien?
They look human and that is one of the signs!
And then there is the natural leap you must take from there...MAYBE IT IS ME! lol

Provocative question.

I refuse to believe I'm human in the first place. I suppose, though, that because I am unable to procreate with a known human being at this point in time (unlike HankMcCoy, it seems) and don't plan to try for years, I cannot firmly disprove that I am, indeed a human. So for now I must 'accept' that I am

All beings are spiritual beings having a physical experience. There are also beings having experiences that are not physical.

We are all connected, no matter how you do the math. We all come from one source. So yes, we are them, they are us...we are all a part of a ONE.

There are many vessels for the spiritual being....but the vessel does not make us what we are. It is what is within, the life that we all share...is what makes us connected.

So no , we are not human, we are spiritual beings having a human experience.



[edit on 9-12-2009 by LeoVirgo]

Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by mushibrain

 

How Do you know that you're human?

I think, therefore I am, I think.

ET and other non-human think too. that's the thing. so wouldn't be better to describe intelligent beings by other categories (what drives them, even a belief system, moral code, etc), because dividing them into humans and non-humans is as helpful as dividing humans into ethnic groups, sometimes it's applicable, but does not describe the person/being (what's the best word for it?) correctly.

Originally posted by DataWraith
... besides if I WEREN'T Human I'd have a way off this rock, either that or I'd be an animal and wouldn't be having this conversation

.

But what if you do have a way off this rock but you don't know how? Think about Mauglis character? Human was raised by wolfs and thought he was a wolf. Then again maybe he was...
which is more true?
- you are who you think you are;
- you are who you peers think you are;

Originally posted by Autarchic
I know I'm not a human. No one in their right mind would claim to be a human if they knew what a human is.

Hu is Greek which means color. Human means color of man. Color, seemingly as if, as in color of law, color of office, etc.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary of the English Language says: sub-man, as in beast. Beneath man. Look it up, do not believe everything you've taught!

[edit on 12/9/2009 by Autarchic]

hasn't that been said about human being as being different from human? not sure if all these semantics games make sense to me. anyways, that's for the reply, so if you're not human, who are you?

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by mushibrain
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I really like this question. I have wondered about this myself because in some circles it is said that there are aliens who look very much like us but you can tell them apart and they also claim there are others who are so exactly like us in appearance that you could not tell them from human beings. So I wonder about everyone...could they be an alien?
They look human and that is one of the signs!
And then there is the natural leap you must take from there...MAYBE IT IS ME! lol

Provocative question.

OK, perhaps we could start defining human. what is human. can someone have carbon based human looking body and still be not human? if so, do we call them human? what makes human, human? if I load my brains into the system that can support the mind, I am still human?