One State Solution

It's obvious that the 61 year old experiment known as the Jewish State of Israel is a failure. I propose that the non-constitutional government apparatus turn control over to an interim government. All displaced persons (Palestinians) should be allowed to return, as well as their descendants born in refugee camps, as per UN rules, and granted full citizen status in the United Hebrew Republic of Palestine. The monies formerly used to maintain refugee camps should be used for orderly return of refugees.

All dual citizenships will be deemed invalid after suitable time for individuals to decide their nationality. All accommodation will be made to assist those wishing to leave.

Wishing to leave?
Do you mean all those Russian Jews who want to go back to Russia?
I think some of those people claiming to be Palestinians are just free-loaders who showed up because of a promise of free hoses, after they killed all the Jews. So, if they were originally from someplace like Egypt, but have been there for 40 years, they should be considered Palestinians?

reply to post by jmdewey60

Wishing to leave?
Do you mean all those Russian Jews who want to go back to Russia?

Those, and those dual eg US and Israel citizens who choose say US citizenship over UHRP citizenship, also those not wishing to live in a de-apartieded state, or one that is no longer Jewish majority.

I think some of those people claiming to be Palestinians are just free-loaders who showed up because of a promise of free hoses, after they killed all the Jews. So, if they were originally from someplace like Egypt, but have been there for 40 years, they should be considered Palestinians?

This sounds rather insulting. People have been in generations old refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan with no chance of any citizenship whatsoever. If these host countries granted them citizenship they would thereby minimize their claim to right of return.
Just how long are camps supposed to exist?

Should this be over in the Middle East issues forum over on ATS?

Just asking...

reply to post by DarkStormCrow
Yes, sorry. I got excited and posted before thinking where it would end up. I don't suppose there's any way to move it?



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reply to post by jmdewey60

promise of free hoses, after they killed all the Jews

We're not talking about Europe here. We're talking about Palestine. The holocaust took place in Europe by Europeans. It was not Palestinians killing Jews and taking their property. It was not Palestinians pushing Jews into smaller and smaller ghettos. It was not Palestinians bulldozing Jewish trees and farms and taking the land. It was not Palestinians building walls of separation and guarding them with machine guns. It was not Palestinians setting up checkpoints and restricting the free movement of Jews.

reply to post by pthena

I don't remember all the details, but this was in connection with one of the wars against Israel. There was some sort of propaganda that was being put out by the attacking nations that when they killed the Jews and drove them out, all the houses would be available to whatever Arabs could show up and claim them, no matter where they came from. So a bunch of people came from various countries to claim their free house. Unfortunately for them, the Jews won the war. I guess once these people got into the territory, the countries forced them to stay there.

reply to post by jmdewey60
The individuals you describe would be categorized as foreign ex-pats. I don't think it is customary for countries to grant naturalization based on length of residency. So neither would it be appropriate in this case.

Back to substantive issues: I admit that as an American, I view my nation's make-up and laws as a fairly decent model.
1) Citizenship based on place of birth, not race or religion.
2) And though immigration quotas seem to be influenced by these factors, there is no set law stating that certain races or religions will be freely admitted while others will not.

These policies are in stark contrast to the policies of the current state of Israel. I wonder how it is that any American can approve of these practices.