Ghosts or images of people in photos that weren't there when photo taken [Photo added]

Yet, the subject doesn't even begin to describe this event. I have only posted one other thing, to my memory, in the paranormal board. Tonight, however, my whole world was rocked.

First, some background. My uncle recently lost his father, and there was no will denoting who would get the things, just the money. After he passed, my aunt, his wife, went through the house photographing EVERYTHING incase the house was broken into or there was a fire. There were some very valuable things in there.

Sure enough, someone stole it all. It turns out is was my uncle's sister, she stole everything of value. There was one picture, however, that had been understoon since the day my uncle was born, that would be his. His grandfather decided this, and his father agreed. It was a picture of his grandfather on a cart being led by a horse. It was the first thing his grandfather had ever bought by earning his own money, and he had to be about 15 in the photo.That was his, everyone in the family knew that, it had been willed to him by his grandfather that it go to Lou (my uncle) after his dad died.

Well, his sister didn't steal the photo, she just took the frame. When my uncle found out his sister had cleaned out the house, all he cared about was the photo. He asked my aunt, who had called him when she went there, to just make sure the photo was there, he didn't care about anything else that was gone.

My aunt took pictures of everything that was still there, including the photo.

Now, today, I get home, and they were talking about the original photo. I had no idea about what was going on between my uncle and his sister, I've learned all this tonight. The original picture of the photo, while it was in the frame, had the most incredible thing I've ever seen. It had an image in the center that looks exactly like his grandfather in his later years, standing there. But the image was just a kind of a light blue tint overlaping the actual photo, you could make all the details of the original photo clearly.

I got home, was shown this picture, and immediately started to analyze it. It was really strange, and I've never experienced this before, but the image inspired an emotion. Even though he wasn't clear, it was a feeling that he was protecting something. He was there acting as a guardian. It was a stronger emotion then a picture has ever inspired in me. I was studying it for about an hour, when I asked if there was another picture of the same photo. My aunt said there was, She found it, and I started comparing the two, looking for the same image in the other. After doing this, I handed it back to my aunt, who went to sit by my mom and they, too were comparing the two pictures.

Then they noticed it. The picture she took of this precious (sp?) photo after the frame was removed was a fake. His sister had stolen the picture, too. The cropping was different, it had been cut to fit a different frame, and it looked to be a smaller version which had been blown up, because it was grainy. There was also a scar at the top of the photo as though it had been glued to a frame. Lou's father always had everything professionally done, and framers never glue photos.

Now the really freaky, creepy part of this is that had that image not shown up on the picture she took with a digital camera, she never would have studied it as much as she did, and never would have known that this psycho stole the original photo.

I'm getting the CD with the original photo from her to copy, because I told her I could give it to a friend to analyze it and see if it was a hoax or superimposed other picture done at Walgreen's, or whatnot (you guys )When I get it I will either post it here, or I will give an email address to email me so I can email it to you if it's too large a file. Or if someone has a server where they'd upload it if I emailed it, that would be even better.

I'm really interested in hearing your take. I don't really follow the paranormal, and I don't know if this kind of thing ever happens or not. I know I'll find out here, so that's why, as soon as she left, I came to my computer and posted this. This is totally wild...

[Edited on 5-24-2004 by junglejake]

can't wait to see it! sounds like your grandfather is just trying to tell you what happened and who has the original picture.

[Edited on 22-5-2004 by Strigoi]

It actually is not my grandfather, I'm directly related to my aunt. That was part of the reason they wanted tp show it to me, I had never met Lou's dad or his grandfather. Everything I said in my first post I learned that night after it was discovered she had stolen the picture and replaced it.

And I can't wait to see the picture! Apparently she has more, but my mom said this was the only one with a distinct shape of a man.

Ok, I've got the picture, but it's 911K, so I can't post it on here and I don't have any graphics software to change the compression of the jpg. Let me know if you want a copy, or if someone can put it on their website and link it here, that would be perfect.

Thanks,
JJ

Anyone know of a way to turn your computer into a server without getting window's personal server thing? If I could get that, I could upload the pic before monday...

I think your best bet might be to go to a free host site like
www.tripod.com...


[Edited on 22-5-2004 by jlc163]

try: www.250free.com... It is a great image host

Originally posted by gravriderX
try: www.250free.com... It is a great image host

That sounds like a kool host site, but do they freeze linking if you use 'em solely as an image host? From their TOS (excerpt below), it sounds like they might. Anyone tried them yet?


[[[ Important note about free accounts:
You may not use your account as storage for MP3's, pictures, movies or program files. In plain terms, this means the main purpose of your site must be to host an actual website. You may not use your free account only for storage, or as a download site. ]]]

[Edited on 22-5-2004 by mrq]

I can crop/host the image for you. contact me [email protected]

I could host it for you as well, you can contact me: [email protected], or you can go to the following site, made specifically for photo hosting...

www.photobucket.com

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by andhow]

Hey all, mrq took the photo and compressed it to under 100 k so I could post it on here. I now have it, and you can see it below. Enjoy, looking forward to what y'all think!

Seems like there is a framed picture in the background too. Was it in a roon like that? Anyone here who develops film who knows about old film, Could that have happend because of the chemicals on the papers and the glass covering it. It looks alot like a reflection of someone looking at the picture. Its pretty cool looking

I think it's a reflection too. You can actually see a fluorescent lamp behind the "ghosts" head.

I found this by performing some calculations on the image in photopaint 9
(not sure how this does what it does... color channels and such merging, (if darker) but it enhanced the ghost in the picture)
(source 1 grey channel, source 2 blue channel, method: if darker)
I don't mean to rain on anyones parade, but here it is:


It looks like the reflection of someone holding a object (camera) to their face?

ummm ... psssst over here..


it's the reflection of the person taking the picture, but don't tell anyone..


Seriously, thats what it looks like to me.

I would agree in that I think that it is the reflection of the person taking the photo. In fact, assuming that it is covered by glass (which I would find very unusual if it wasn't), I would go as far to say that it would be more unlikely for there NOT to be a faint image of the photographer. I have tried taking photos of framed pictures many a time, and you always get a 'ghost' effect of yourself taking the photo. It is inevitable as it acts as a partial mirror.

This is true, that's what we believed at first, too. Granted, my aunt is not that disproportional or big, but we wanted to be sure. The glass was non-glare glass (the kind that has a pattern on it to reduce or remove glare). The camera, too, was one of those that has an internal flash (no idea what that means, except that it can lighten a pic without blinding the person you're photographing). At my house we have one of those picture frames with the non-reflective glass, and we darkened the room to about the same level it was when she took the photo, and she took it. There was no Colleen on there.

The reason we don't believe it was a woman is because Lou's grandfather would stand just like that (I'll explain what we see using the original quality photo, this one is a bit hazy due to compression to upload it to ATS), and he would wear a house coat (robe) over his suit.

Now, as to the image. It looks like it's a combination of a reflection. On the right, the arm is on the hip of the image. If you go up from the horse's rump, you can kinda make a head out. There's a distinct collar, then a faint head. It seems to be facing about 10 degrees to the left. In the original you can make out what appears to be a tie, but it doesn't come out in this one. But then, if you go across, much fainter is a replica of this image, reversed. The arm held in the same pose, a very faint collar, no head.

Finally, this is the only picture of a picture where something like this showed up. They had many pictures, my aunt photographed them all. She and my mom went back there with all the pictures to take before and after pictures of all the things, and A LOT of stuff was stolen by the sister and replaced with stuff of hers. Had this picture not grabbed my aunt's attention, none of it would have been noticed.

I was on a video shoot while doing a haunting documentary and we were at the Kennebunk Inn. While in the room where the supposed ghost used to live, we got a large red glow in the top left hand corner of the picture... We couldn't see it with our eyes, but could see it on the monitor and in the view finder.
We figured at first that it was a lens flare, and everyone was trying to get rid of it but to no avail. We also degaussed the monitor in case it was a magnetic screw up on the monitor... I finally said..."Just in case why don't we get some video of it anyway?" Well we did.... We had tons of folks who saw it... we rewound the film and it was there...darned that when we got back to edit it, it was gone.

You know, it's ironic...I had always dismissed those photos with the "ghost" in them as being hoaxes...Now I need to look back on all of 'em. It's just funny that, no matter how open minded you try to be, some things just don't fit into your world perspective and are dismissed as rediculous...Until you see one yourself or one from someone you totally trust and know is incapable of faking it...Lesson learned, Jake, lessen learned...

Its a reflection jj.

You can see both arms going up to in front of the face. Did you uncle always stand around pretending to take a picture?

It isn't a robe, its a jumper of some kind. Its the reflection of whoever took the photo from the glass in the frame.