Tiny dots in the air wherever I look!

reply to post by GideonHM


I agree with the ether explanation as this has been so far the most consistent explanation for what we have described. I think we are directly perceiving the etheric particles/prana, and they become visible under special conditions of awareness. I have perceived many things in different awareness states, this is one of many.

I mentioned earlier about how Yogis know about these, I will provide some quotes on them. They are known under different names Maruts, Tanmatras, Lifetrons and Microvita and have been independently observed by Yogis since thousands of years ago.

Tanmatras:

the five subtle properties of Energy or Matter; the five subtle energies whose action puts the sensory consciousness in relation to the gross forms of matter: sound, touch, form, taste and smell; [sometimes considered to be the five elemental states of substance (pancabhuta)

www.miraura.org...

Lifetrons:

]Life force, which flows through the nadis , getting recharged at the chakras . Yogananda has described prana as "lifetrons" - finer-than-atomic energies which have inherent intelligence, as opposed to atoms and electrons, which are considered to be blind forces. The Chinese call this life force chi . Living beings take in prana from the food we eat, the air we breathe and sunshine. Yoga postures, correct breathing techniques and meditation all affect the flow of prana through the body

www.incredibleindia.org...

Microvita:

]The discourse is on "Microvitum, the Mysterious Emanation of Cosmic Factor." It is one human characteristic that whatever we do not know, in order to conceal our limitations or hide our imperfections, we either say that it is non-existent, or in a more intelligent style, we will say it is abstract. In this universe. of ours, whatever comes within the scope of our senses or within the periphery of our perception, we say, "It is," and whatever is beyond the arena of the senses or the jurisdiction of perception, we cannot say anything. Hence, our world functions within the limitations of our senses and perceptions. We know in the realm of cosmic extrovert, in the first phase -- that is, in the phase of extrovert -- 'subtle' is transmuted into 'crude', and in the returning phase of introvert, 'crude' is metamorphosed into 'subtle'. In this progress, rather in this semicircular approach, there may be subtler objects in the scope of matter -- many objects subtler than electrons or protons, neutrons or positrons -- but we find no alternative but to say that they are either electron or proton or positron or neutron. And similarly, in the psychic sphere there may be entities subtler than ectoplasm or its extra-psychic coverage, endoplasm.

There are entities which come within the realm of both physicality and psychic expressions which are smaller or subtler than atoms, electrons or protons, and in the psychic realm may be subtler than ectoplasm. For such objects or for such entities I use the term "microvitum". This microvitum, or in plural microvita, are not of protoplasmic order, and as such they have got little to do with carbon molecules or carbon atoms, which are treated as the initial points or initial stage of life in this universe. So far as physicality is concerned, the position of these microvita is just between ectoplasm and electron, but they are neither ectoplasm nor electron.

www.microvita.org...


The descriptions definitey match the tiny dots of my experience. The major convergences are

1. They are very vivid points of light with multiple colours, unlike anything in ordinary perception.
2. They move about independently of my eyes, in random, erratic and what appears to be intelligent motion
3. They are only perceivable in very special awareness conditions. I have seen them in all lighting conditions.

Ironically, they are like exactly what Quantum mechanics describes as fuzz which exists in between the virtual quantum field and the quantum vacuum The tiny dots are definitely like a fuzz. So there is even a valid scientific explanations for their existence.

The critics have no idea how different the scientific world view is today from classical physics which is now outdated. We know for a fact that the ether exists now and we call it the quantum field. Funnily enough, the Yogis also call it the quantum field(moolaprakrtii)

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Is this what you guys see?
simulation:
www.visionsimulations.com...


for me
density on 16, rate on 1 and you have what I see 24/7 on a good day.
On bad days the density goes to 30.

in the dark it goes up aswell, depending on how much I focus on it.

Originally posted by GypsK
Is this what you guys see?
simulation:
www.visionsimulations.com...

Yes more or less, not as many though, althought it can vary.

I have this to. The best way to describe what it looks like is this:
Everywhere you look, there are hundreds(in not thousands) of fireflys. They move according to air movement within the environment you are in. Infact I can determine wind speed with it, and direction. It helps me alot when I go out hunting or shooting.

I have pretty bad floaters, but I'm also seeing what looks like small transparent tadpoles swimming about in my vision. There's literally loads of them swarming about in different directions. I personally think they are parasites. I can see them all the time, but they are obviously more prominent when Im looking at something bright.

This is the closest match I could find on youtube to what I'm seeing, except mine are all transparent and look like tadpoles with tales and there's not as many. I went to the optician and told him to look for parasites but he couldn't find anything unusual and said my eyes were perfect.

Bacterial Swarm under a microscope


They look very similar to these except they move differently.
Echinostome cercariae - II


These critters are making my life totally depressing. Try warching TV or read a book when all you can see is what looks like a swarm of tadpoles in your vision.



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I'm not saying all of you are like this, but...

It seems like a lot of you keep trying to avoid logical and rational explanations for this phenomena. You either ignore posts which explain what it is, or you keep making your story have more "complexities" in it. No one thinks you're special, so please just rest your case.

reply to post by sealteamsix


I am trained in logic my friend, and I have a BA in philosophy and cultural studies, and specialised later in philosophy of scence. I could out-logic most people, especially pseudoskeptics, who write fallacy after fallacy and would fail a simple logic exam.

The OP and others here, including myself are describing a phenomena, which has the following properties:

1. They are vivid multicoloured lights
2. They that move erratically in a zig-zaging motion, appearing and disappearing in different locations and behave indepedently of the observer
3. They are very special phenomenon and only take place under certain conditions. They are seen in all lighting conditions.

A logical explanation for the phenomena with the described properties would have to be able to explain all the properties consistently, only then can it qualify as a logically vallid explanation. The explanations that have been provided not only do not explain these logical properties, but they contradict them and thus they are logically invalid.

I have already demonstrated why those explanations are invalid, but I will repeat again for the example just provided above of visual snow. Does it have vivid and multicolour lights? No. Does it have particles that move about erratically, in zigzagging motion and appearing and disappearing in another location? No. It is therefore an invalid explanation as it fails to explain the logical properties of the described phenomenon.

When one does not represent the content of another person argument or description accurately, and then refutes the misrepresented version it is known as a strawman fallacy. You can argue all you want, a strawman fallacy is never valid and you would fail a logic exam if you used one. In fact you would fail any exam if you do not accurately reproduce described content.

Do not talk to me about logic buddy


[edit on 6-12-2009 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by sealteamsix

 

I am trained in logic my friend, and I have a BA in philosophy and cultural studies, and specialised later in philosophy of scence. I could out-logic most people, especially pseudoskeptics, who write fallacy after fallacy and would fail a simple logic exam.

The OP and others here, including myself are describing a phenomena, which has the following properties:

1. They are vivid multicoloured lights
2. They that move erratically in a zig-zaging motion, appearing and disappearing in different locations and behave indepedently of the observer
3. They are very special phenomenon and only take place under certain conditions. They are seen in all lighting conditions.

A logical explanation for the phenomena with the described properties would have to be able to explain all the properties consistently, only then can it qualify as a logically vallid explanation.

So why exactly can't this be a natural hallucinogen produced by the brain triggering these experiences? What are the certain condtions that take place?

I have yet to hear one reason why this couldn't be the result of abnormal brain biochemistry.

Also, if they are moving in a zig-zag motion, appearing and disappearing in different locations, how could you possibly be certain that "it behaves" independently of the observer?! What you describe seems without pattern, so this observation would be unjustifiable.


[edit on 6-12-2009 by unityemissions]

This is my first real post on this site but i have seen what you describe, they are see through objects like particles that move around, i can see them in any light. If i concentrate hard enough i can bring one closer to me before it moves on.
I do also see the ground moving as if its pulsating, the best way of describing it is that it is as if it is folding on its self. Before anyone suggest anything i do not do drugs.

reply to post by chrissylee


You don't have to do drugs. I've attempted to make that clear. Some people naturally hallucinate to different extents. This is well known and explainable through an individuals biochemistry.

I have also been seeing these things too... been trying to figure out what they were for a very long time.

Whenever I look up in the sky or its a beautiful clear day, I can see these little clear things moving around in my sight.

reply to post by xAZIMUTHpx


I'm with you on that one

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Interesting I will have to research that...Thanks

reply to post by GypsK


What you see in the dark is pliable if you can focus your mind. The most with that I ever got were some darker spots and learning how to pull on candle flame.

What I see is a density of 6 with a movement speed variable but around 9 usually with full current action, it just isn't wind blowing it.

Note: What I see is perfectly crystalline clear and are spherical in nature behaving rather normally as any dust or particulate cloud would behave in general.

This lack of knowledge to this is really a sign of the control and silencing of our societies to prevent further growth.

There is another type that indeed moves independently from one another, are individually distinct (as opposed to particulate in direct contact with everything), are typically small, make moves and changes directions instantaneously, and only really look like blurs.

I just look up at the sky and can see this stuff, through clouds as well, but not solid objects.

There are a number of types I have seen. Black bursts (a black burst appears and vanishes), white bursts (they are simply of white or blue white color and behave the same way),the light trails (these behave just like certain accounts of possible UFO behavior, with crazy zig zags, curves, turns, and can produce a visual burst as well), and then there is the weird stuff.

Plumes coming out of nowhere, sometimes in rapid bursts, some look strangely like fleur de lis and the movements are bizarre, then there are the sky sparkles, and none of these are the visually seen occurrences possibly recorded in videos.

Nope, the sky above us is dynamically active, and the constant movement is a precursor to something more. Most can't see them, if you stare at the sky (not the sun) for a bit and focus enough, if you are mentally advanced enough, you will see what is really there. Except for anything big.

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reply to post by Bosanski91


Thank you for posting that, sarcasm isn't needed especially when people feel comfortable enough to open up with other like-minded people..

I removed him/her.

reply to post by skywalker_


Awesome, thanks for that answer! I honestly agree that it does have something to do with consciousness and how "awake" one is.

So why exactly can't this be a natural hallucinogen produced by the brain triggering these experiences? What are the certain condtions that take place?

I have yet to hear one reason why this couldn't be the result of abnormal brain biochemistry.

Actually, a few posts back, I did in fact consider this argument of abnormal brain chemistry. In fact, I would be surprised that when we are seeing these tiny dots, that there isn't some kind of change in brain chemistry going on. There are scientific studies that show that meditation is a natural brain chemistry modifier and this is why is there is a significantl overlap in the phenomenology of mind-altering substances induced experienced and meditiative experiences. However, just because meditation and hallucinogens can affect certain brain states, this does not mean that the special experiences are being caused by the brain. They are only just correlated with certain brain states. To use an analogy if I flick a switch and note that the light comes on everytime I flick it to onn, it does not mean that the light switch is manufacturing the light, but only that the light switch in certain states can be correlated to the appearance of the light.

Now coming to mind and consciousness, the fact that experiences are associated with certain brain states which can be empirically documented is known as the soft problem of consciousness. Why, however these brain states would lead to any kind of experience is known as the hard problem of consciousnes and no philosopher has been to resolve it as of yet. There is simply no logic known that can allow a physical phenomena like brain activity produce an experience of something. Thus the ultimate cause of experience is open to speculation. Therefore experiences which are brought about by natural mind-altering substance and methods, are not invalid simply because they were produced in this manner. Logically we can only say that they faciliated the experience to take place.

If you go deeper into philosophy of science the role of the observer is now considered important in a physical system to the extent that a physical system could not exist without there being an observer. The logic is simple and effective, before an act of perception takes place there is an interaction between the observer and the physical system and we are not privvy to this interaction. What we percieve is therefore dependent on the state of the observer. In the modern scientific worldview, we know that solid matter ultimately does not exist at the quantum level, and therefore reality appars very differently to what we take to be physical reality. As the observer and the physical system are inseparable, it means that changing the state of awareness of the observer will lead to changes in their perception of the physical reality. Indeed, this is what happens when one meditates or trips, they are altering their reality and now perceiving new realities, which are definitely said to exist according to the modern scientific worldview. It is likely therefore meditation and drugs are allowing you to experience other realities.

Also, if they are moving in a zig-zag motion, appearing and disappearing in different locations, how could you possibly be certain that "it behaves" independently of the observer?! What you describe seems without pattern, so this observation would be unjustifiable.

I meant that they appear to be moving by themselves around me. It makes no difference if I tilt my head, or move my eyes, they are there in front of me as if they real entities existing independenly of me. In the same way if you stood before me and moved aroud I could say you are moving indepedently of me. The reason I pointed this out was to demonstrate that they are not floaters or visual snow, because they do actually move with with the head and the eyes and thus are not independent of me.


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reply to post by Indigo_Child


Indigo Child I just wanted to say thank you for all of your support with my thread. You really seem to grasp what I am talking about and have very clear answers to back up the realization that what we are experiencing are NOT eye problems.

I also want to thank everyone for contributing to this post.

And....LOL! For all of those people who think that we are tripping or think that we are implying that we have special powers its nothing like that. I believe that we can ALL see this but that not everyone notices. You will only perceive what the mind believes. I would also like to mention that there are sooooo many mysteries to the humas body and we will never know all of the answers. However, I think this thread really made people open up their minds and try to take notice of one's awareness.

We don't use 100% of our brains and we probably have more senses than what we are conditioned to believe.

I see these as well.
Therefore, I don't agree that this is only achieved through a certain "spiritual" state of mind. I try to be spiritual, but I am not anywhere near where I would like to be.

Anyhow, in my experience, I can easily see these against the backdrop of a bright blue sky. It is pretty interesting to watch them and in my experience they only intensify the longer you watch them. For this reason alone, I reject the idea that they are white blood cells.

Pretty cool though. They really have the appearance of being a matrix type grid. At least that is how I perceive them.

Not very big, but definately noticeable. They also will sometimes become pretty intense in dark rooms also...

One thing I have noticed though, I can almost "summon" them. They show up when you are looking *through* something, if that makes sense.
For instance, I see them almost every time I look up at a blue sky hunting for UFOs... (kinda crappy too, because they usually appear as glowing orbs )

Just now I did a test and watched them in my bedroom door for a few seconds. I "called them" up when I was trying to bore a hole through the door with my vision.

They also take on very weird movements in the sky. Sometimes it seems like they are moving so quick that you are seeing a "tail" of sorts lingering behind the orb... then they'll just stop... or disappear all together.

I'm not too sure what to make of them... QM? Possibly.

Pretty cool seeing this thread here. I think about these things often enough.

I'm extremely excited seeing this thread here. For years I thought that they were just floaters (which i have too), but they would never follow the movement of my eye. One clear day I was outside talking to my girlfriend on the phone and looked up, and notice that it looked like behind the blue sky looked like millions of tiny worms moving around (almost like extremely small ripples in the sky).

I'm fully convinced that we are all seeing the same thing, and now I'm curious as to what it actually is. I can say that I first noticed them around 2007.

Also at night after meditating, I sometimes see the same thing on my gray ceiling, but the tips have bright pulsating colors.

EXTREMELY INTERESTING! THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!