Aircraft suspended in mid air (personal sighting)

reply to post by Matteroni


If you were parked on an airport runway and a 747 was directly up in front of your line of vision meaning huge and clearly visable that would explain what I saw. It did NOT fly into view and then fly out of view. It was there then 5 mins later, NOT there. I had parked my car to watch it as I stated previously. It was not a matter of anybody moving to create some sort of illusion. The plane did not move at all in the sky. It simply appeared and then dissappeared. The reason I personally never told anyone what I had seen was because there was not and never will be a reasonable explaination for what I saw. I knew no one would believe me .

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by 5thWorldIsNow

 

HAHAHA!

The F-35 has anti-grav? Pull the other one, mate. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously posting garbage like that?

Why do you think it cost so much? I can' t prove what I am saying as the technology is above top secret.

reply to post by 5thWorldIsNow


It doesn't, really. No more than a Eurofighter or an F-22 to be honest.

It's not classified "above top secret" either, otherwise you wouldn't even know it exists. As it stands, much of the technology behind it is understood.

As for your claims of anti-gravity being used on it, how do you explain the great big, noisy, dirty jet engine in there? What about the huge turbo fan behind the cockpit used to generate the downforce needed for it to hover? What about a recent USN report that the decks of their Aircraft Carriers need reworking to cope with the sustained high temps of the jet blast?

Methinks your talking out of the proverbial....

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Chadwickus

 

I was aware of "retrograde motion", or at least the fact it was an optical illusion, at the age of around 9 or 10 when my father explained it to me when I raised the same question as the poster here, namely "Dad, that plane isn't moving!".

This was obviously the very first thing that I thought. I have this OCD habit of trying to line up vehicles approaching in the opposite direction with objects between me and the vehicle (mile markers etc), and making them 'continuously touch'. I am very familiar with that kind of 'motionless' optical illusion, but that only lasts as long as there is a straight line going from the approaching object, you, and the that line touching the object in between. What I saw wasn't that, it just literally wasn't moving. It wasn't a particularly windy day, either. The only way that the aircraft would not move from my reference point on the tree line was for it to be traveling approximately the same speed as we were, which was about 20 mph.

If a large aircraft can travel at such low speeds at such low altitudes then it would possibly explain what I saw.

reply to post by Matteroni


Then I assume your also familiar with the illusion that you get when you are moving and an object is some distance from you too? I live near Heathrow and see plenty of planes every day and when I have been on the train or in a car, alot will appear to be motionless when at a distance, moving in a certain direction etc, but they only appear motionless in relation to you.

How far was the aircraft from you? I highly doubt you were only 100-200ft away as claimed, it has to have been further. A large airliner that close to the ground is cause for alarm if not landing. They are not fighter jets and are not that agile.

You state you were in a car, did you stop and get out and still see it "hovering"? If you didn't, then nothing you say is going to convince me that you saw a "hovering" air liner, as you were in motion yourself and this is an understood and easily explainable optical phenonemon.

Did you get any pictures by the way? Video would be awesome if you did.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by 5thWorldIsNow

 

It doesn't, really. No more than a Eurofighter or an F-22 to be honest.

It's not classified "above top secret" either, otherwise you wouldn't even know it exists. As it stands, much of the technology behind it is understood.

As for your claims of anti-gravity being used on it, how do you explain the great big, noisy, dirty jet engine in there? What about the huge turbo fan behind the cockpit used to generate the downforce needed for it to hover? What about a recent USN report that the decks of their Aircraft Carriers need reworking to cope with the sustained high temps of the jet blast?

Methinks your talking out of the proverbial....

I can tell you are a debunker, a cabal asset who is paid to disinform. The information I provided comes from my heart center; no lies.

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reply to post by 5thWorldIsNow


Paid to disinform? Wish I was mate, could do with the cash!

Nope, I am merely speaking from an actual, knowledgable standpoint. You may call me a debunker, but I can actually prove what I say, whereas what you say is utter rubbish. You have resorted to an attempt at character assasination because you cannot disprove the facts. Would you like me to post reams of technical info on the F-35?

Your info comes from the heart? Well, that's convinced me then, must be true...

ok i saw ufo once in ohio in 2008 and its not plane was bluelite and its in the days and its was big blue had a mark on look like a illuminati sign

reply to post by 5thWorldIsNow

It does? If the F-35A (conventional) has antigravity, why does the F-35B have a massive lift fan and rotating engine to give it vertical take off and landing capability?

*Mod Edit: Whoops...should have just u2ued. My bad...nothing to see here...

[edit on 5-12-2009 by alien]

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Matteroni

 

Then I assume your also familiar with the illusion that you get when you are moving and an object is some distance from you too? I live near Heathrow and see plenty of planes every day and when I have been on the train or in a car, alot will appear to be motionless when at a distance, moving in a certain direction etc, but they only appear motionless in relation to you.

How far was the aircraft from you? I highly doubt you were only 100-200ft away as claimed, it has to have been further. A large airliner that close to the ground is cause for alarm if not landing. They are not fighter jets and are not that agile.

You state you were in a car, did you stop and get out and still see it "hovering"? If you didn't, then nothing you say is going to convince me that you saw a "hovering" air liner, as you were in motion yourself and this is an understood and easily explainable optical phenonemon.

Did you get any pictures by the way? Video would be awesome if you did.

Yes, aircraft in this area (even large airliners) are at times low enough to cause alarm. You get used to it after a while though. Every time I have friends or family come here from out of the area it's one of the first things they notice.

There are many military bases and airports close to where I live. This sighting wasn't very far from my house, which has multiple VERY low aircraft every day. Sometimes it's so loud it shakes the entire house and it's hard to yell over it. One time there was even a guy with a large fan blowing his seated parachute about 45 feet above my house. I could see the details of the soles of his shoes haha. It's a pretty bizarre place to live.

There are also fighter jets training and doing all kinds of maneuvers frequently. If you watched the sky for a day I'm sure you could see at least 2-3 of them every day.

So, I see aircraft of ALL types EVERY day. None of them but this and possibly the previous identical sighting have EVER appeared to freeze in mid air. And no, my girlfriend didn't stop the vehicle although I wish she did. She slowed down to about 20-25 mph and we both watched it for quite a while because we were all in such disbelief.

Also, I wish I had a camera in the car with me. I don't even own one. It was the first thing me and my gf mentioned after this incident, how badly we need to get a video camera and leave it in the car.

[edit on 5-12-2009 by Matteroni]

I have more to share.

First, it's obvious that we can't talk about jets/planes without associating them with the chemtrail phenomenon.

I've discovered some further interesting evidence that the planes/domestic craft we're seeing in our skies may not be ours.

I linked to some videos in the other thread that Youtube user Kingufokid took.

King's videos show planes actually bobbing in the air like they were floating on water, or sliding backwards, which is absolutely impossible.

For those of us who've gotten involved in the chemtrail debate in favor of the "something's wrong" theory, we understand that something isn't right - we just can't put our finger on it.

For those of us following that phenomenon, and the black line phenomenon, we know the issue isn't resolved. For me, I've never really bought into the government spraying chemicals on us in such an open fashion and for so long. I always felt there was something extraterrestrial there.

So then, furthering my suspicions, we start seeing black helicopters involved with the ufo/crop circle phenomenon, and more recently, the hovering planes.

Something is just not right with our skies and these seemingly domestic aircraft.

Well, I wanted to share more in that regard. There is no doubt these hovering planes are connected to the chemtrail planes - those planes that don't fly commercial routes, and have a habit of just being invisible sometimes, while still producing a long, persistent stream; invisible jets.

You see it, but you just don't believe it. It defies explanation.

Well, Youtube user fidemafo has some footage, and some theories on these planes, sun dogs, time travel and stargates.

Here are, first, four links to fidemafo's videos, followed by other videos that could now use a revisit. I think the dots are starting to be connected, and the show really is above our heads.

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This is being witnessed by everyone on the planet. The clock is ticking, faster every second, before the lid comes off. Do you think this is helping the disclosure process along? I do...

Take a look at these with new eyes:

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So think about what's happening overhead and ask yourself if we have a benevolent government disclosing for the good of its people, or a government that has held terrific secrets for centuries that it can no longer keep to itself.

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people having experiences that defy explanation.

It is becoming preternaturally clear that we are knee deep in it now.

The increase in helicopter and "domestic" low-flying, hovering planes in broad daylight, and all sorts of bizarre phenomena and behavior are the writing on the wall you're seeking.

I'm having fun. Are you?

reply to post by 5thWorldIsNow


oh freakin PLEASE

reply to post by bourbon2nite


I already know mods, Im getting banned again but I cant help it so much garbage my head wants to explode

reply to post by Matteroni


Well, you just answered my question.

Since this is the first time I see you here, let me introduce myself. I'm an airline pilot.

My doubt was with the hight of the aircraft (even guessing that you are not capable of judging distances(which is normal)) that seems too low for a normal approach. But, after reading what you just said, that its usual to see aircrafts approaching in low altitudes, I'm guessing that it is the normal approach.

Mind you, that every airport has its very own approach and go-around route. Thats why we have those huge maps in our "pockets" in the aircraft, so we know HOW to land in every airport we fly over (emergencies and all that stuff).

As far as the technology goes, and although I've seen amazing things myself, we don't have the capability to lift such a aircraft. The propulsion/weight ratio is not enough. The F-35B is brilliant in that because they were able to balance the aircraft very good, but it spends a huge amount of fuel hovering, and although they have figured out some heat issues (main problem with the Harrier, that could only hover for 20 or 30 seconds), they still have them.

The only reason I see for them to build such a big aircraft (according to your description) would be to carry heavy cargo (troops, tanks, etc). But they already have that. The Chinook or the Osprey (although the first is an helicopter) can hover (which is important in some scenarios) and carry heavy loads. The propeller system is better in this case than jet engines(fuel, heat, etc).

In my opinion, what you saw was an optical illusion, like many have already stated. I don't know the name in English, but in my language its called "Visual illusion of the object speed", the name speaks for himself.

It has to do with the angle and speed of the object in correlation to your speed and angle to the object.

And make no mistake, planes can go pretty slow in some cases, especially when facing nose winds.

Your car going 20/25 mph and the aircraft making an approach at 200knots, would look very slow to you, in the right angle.

reply to post by atswheat


Going up and down, forward (speeding fast) and going backwards, isn't impossible for an aircraft. Its called turbulence.

As for "the dots are getting connected around this subject", well, what people are connecting is the various forms of ignorance regarding aviation, with all due respect.

The amount of clichés and common *false* knowledge about aviation is enormous. People simply don't know what they are talking about, and fit their theories into scenarios made up by them-selfs because they don't have any other explanation.

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people having experiences that defy explanation.

The amount of cases just states what I said previously. People don't know about it, and since not many pilots have the patience to explain things that are mundane to us, people go on with this fairy tales, fitting made up explanations to what they saw.

I'm not stating that ALL cases are mundane, nor that something wrong isn't happening in our skies.

I'm simply stating that, like in the rest of ufology, around 95% of that cases are simply mundane, explained (by the authors) with amazing make belief theories.

[edit on 5/12/09 by Tifozi]

reply to post by Nventual


Fascinating how many folks seem to not have read the bloke's post but offer glib non-sequitur responses.

Personally,

when he said he pulled the car over and stopped . . .

My PhD allowed me to understand that

he pulled the car over and stopped.

My 50,000 word vocabulary was up to understanding that sentence.

I guess mileage may vary.

Sigh.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Nventual

 

Fascinating how many folks seem to not have read the bloke's post but offer glib non-sequitur responses.

Personally,

when he said he pulled the car over and stopped . . .

My PhD allowed me to understand that

he pulled the car over and stopped.

My 50,000 word vocabulary was up to understanding that sentence.

I guess mileage may vary.

Sigh.

And no, my girlfriend didn't stop the vehicle although I wish she did. She slowed down to about 20-25 mph and we both watched it for quite a while because we were all in such disbelief.

Guess the 50,000 weren't enough.


*spelling*

[edit on 6/12/09 by Tifozi]

reply to post by Tifozi


Hi, Tifozi!

I understand that planes can appear to do odd things, much of which have prosaic explanations.

The truth is that there are planes being witnessed (and videotaped) behaving so oddly as to leave no doubt that it is more than an optical illusion.

I also mean no personal offense, but simply claiming to have an pilot's license doesn't discount the fact that extraterrestrial/multidimensional beings are now visiting our planet. And that this is being documented. The two are unrelated.

If one were to read an account of an eyewitness believing to have seen a plane hover, your prosaic explanation would be the first conclusion one would come to. Most would agree there.

It is odd that people from around the world are reporting odd behavior with what appear to be domestic aircraft. Why? Are we just so ufo crazy that we are just pointing at commercial airlines and calling them ufos without foundation?

Are all of these people deluded or insane? Before any evidence is even presented, my immediate response is, "Why are these people talking about domestic aircraft as if there were something unusual about them?"

My second response would be, "Is there anything to these claims?" to which I would decide to investigate further.

I have and what I've found (including my own personal experiences) has astounded me.

First, it is possible if conditions are correct, including weather, wind, and aircraft speed, for a plane to "appear" to defy physics. However, what is happening is really beyond a simple trick of the eye.

What is happening instead is that planes are bobbing at such extremes, or sliding backward at such distances that not only is it physically impossible for a large jet airliner to perform these feats, any passengers inside these craft would be hurt, and badly.

In addition, we are also seeing very long, persistent jet streams being sprayed by invisible planes, planes with distortions and misshapen wings, planes that hover in one spot, and planes with lights that often virtually cover the entire body of the plane.

I don't have enough room left here to post the links I want to, so I'm posting a second time to include those links.

Cont'd in next post...

Cont'd from last post...

As evidence, I submit the videos below.

You can dismiss these out of hand, but if you were to get experienced, professional videographers, special effects people, physicists and pilots to study these videos you may be shocked at what you learn.

First, is this a plane (see image below)?





VIDEOS:

These first two videos show planes that can't seem to fly straight (or forward):

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Below is a flying cross of light:

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A pink plane (below) with a ghost image below it and a wing that just isn't sitting right:

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At the 1min 18sec mark in this next video, the underside of this plane lights up like a Christmas tree:

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In the video below, the videographer notes that the plane isn't visible, and then that a "dot" appears where a plane should be:

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The first 36 seconds of the video below show a plane with a tail fin and that's all. Not only that, the plane is extraordinarily long, and has body features that defy explanation:

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Below is another plane that just can't seem to fly straight:

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So what are we seeing here?

Are the people claiming to see hovering planes, or who suspect that some of these planes aren't terrestrial crazy, or witnessing some sort of optical illusion?

The more of this evidence that comes out the more this position becomes untenable.

To me, someone who's witnessed this stuff first hand (and as someone who can appreciate good evidence) I'm convinced.

The question is, what are they doing? What does it all mean? And where is it headed?