ATS News 06: RFID Microchips In The Swine Flu Vaccine?

reply to post by NIGHTRID3R


I couldn't care less if it were illegal or not, I've grown up in the lower-middle class my entire life, you honestly think I care about receiving 10 dosages when PRIVATE clinics here in Canada were given thousands of dosages for the rich to get without having to wait in line? Hahahaha try again.

And don't call me your brother if you are happy to see me and my family "poison" ourselves.

[edit on 3-12-2009 by Man1fesT]

These vaccines are RX only, so in theory couldn't you get your doctor to write for the vaccine and refuse the injection? Once the vaccine is written technically it's yours and you should be able to take it to a lab and analyze the contents.

Maybe this is a stretch, but it would be interesting and would be hard evidence as to what's IN the vaccine itself.

Any thoughts?

When I was a lot younger (I think I was 12-13 years old) I had surgery on my knee to remove a foreign object from my knee. The doctors never found out what it was, the lab couldn't figure out what it was, I thought it was something that got stuck in my knee from skateboarding, but who knows?

Anyway, I had a pretty big lump of scar tissue, which got removed, but grew back after the surgery once again.

My question is, is if a chip was implanted into the body (anywhere doesn't matter where) it is a foreign object, and therefore the body will refuse to allow it in and scar tissue will start to surround it and a lump will form. How do you all think that the scientists have gotten past this issue?

I'm sure if anyone has the chip implanted it's very possible it'd be very noticeable on the outside of the body - would it not?

I've seen the swine flu vaccine when it was shipped to us where I work.

It appeared to look exactly like the normal flu vaccine and most other injections. small glass bottle filled with clear liquid, no little chips floating in it.

They came with no special needles or instructions either, just use a regular old hypodermic.

So if they are putting chips in the vaccine they must be tiny, microscopic even.

reply to post by cycondra


That's interesting because you're about the third person I've heard say that, I don't know if they are putting the chip in the shaft of the actual needle itself or not.. In all honesty I find this whole h1n1 microchip theory a little far fetched, that's why I wish someone could analyze the vaccine under microscope to put this thing to bed all together.

I'm sure eventually it will come out as nothing more than a bunch of people over reacting, when it does I wonder what the next big chip theory will be.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


Ever heard of nanobots? So small that they would be undetectable. I believe, if I am not mistaking, that there was a thread about programmable nano particles being infused in the swine flu vaccine.

Edit to add that I just found the thread. Here it is.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 3-12-2009 by jackflap]

First so I don't get flamed here. I am 100% oposed to any of the Health Care Bills floating around.

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

I nearly messed up and sent this to a friend in the National Media until I read it carefully without bias and looked up what a Class 2 and Class 3 medical device actually is and what this is about. This is about product safety and has nothing to do with patient information or injecting chips into our bodies. If a chip were used however it would be a Class 2 device that is injectable. The Bill also mandates nothing of the sort. There is nothing in this language to do with what people think is going on. In other words Jones is once again playing on peoples hysteria and illiteracy to his advantage. i.e. for donations IMO

Class II: General Controls with Special Controls

Class II devices are those for which general controls alone are insufficient to assure safety and effectiveness, and additional existing methods are available to provide such assurances. Therefore, Class II devices are also subject to special controls in addition to the general controls of Class I devices. Special controls may include special labeling requirements, mandatory performance standards, and postmarket surveillance.[2] Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices that they will perform as indicated and will not cause injury or harm to patient or user. Devices in this class are typically non-invasive and include x-ray machines, PACS, powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, surgical drapes, surgical needles and suture material,acupuncture needles.
[edit] Class III: General Controls and Premarket Approval

A Class III device is one for which insufficient information exists to assure safety and effectiveness solely through the general or special controls sufficient for Class I or Class II devices. Such a device needs premarket approval, a scientific review to ensure the device's safety and effectiveness, in addition to the general controls of Class I. Class III devices are described as those for which "insufficient information exists to determine that general controls are sufficient to provide reasonable assurance of its safety and effectiveness or that application of special controls ... would provide such assurance and if, in addition, the device is life-supporting or life-sustaining, or for a use which is of substantial importance in preventing impairment of human health, or if the device presents a potential unreasonable risk of illness or injury."[3]

Examples of Class III devices which require a premarket approval include replacement heart valves, silicone gel-filled breast implants, implanted cerebral stimulators, implantable pacemaker pulse generators and endosseous (intra-bone) implants (with the exception of root-form endosseous dental implants which were recently reclassified as Class II).

Postmarket data on these devices is already required. This establishes an office to review the data on safety and effectivness of these devices which is already required. It is not new and simply places the cost under this Healthcare Plan. This is actually a good thing. Who would want a Sham Wow Pacemaker?


I can't help but wonder why so few people actually read this and checked on what it means? With something this important if people care they need to do their homework. Otherwise you give the other side ammunition by making us look illiterate.

It is unfortunate this made it into the news report in my opinion.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Did you forget that the definition given by the FDA,for the Verichip,in 2004 was "A Class II Medical Device That Is Implantable"?

Also,there's alot written "between the lines" of these bills!

I think something like this is going to be the Mark of the Beast. The thing is though,it sounds like something we are able to knowingly CHOOSE. So I don't know why it would be put in a vaccine. Now,under the "Free" health care banner,I wouldn't be surprised if it's required.

It also could be considered "life-sustaining"..if they choose to let you live! If not,there are things that could be in the chip to kill you instantly upon being detonated! See unrfid.com for some eye-opening news about the chips!

By the way,I've mentioned before that with the Gov't Mandated switch to DTV,not only did it clear up the analog airwaves for tracking RFID chips,but what else is going on with that converter box?

(I got rid of television when all that went into effect!) Isn't there a great deal more people reporting "hearing voices" and being "communicated" with?

I'm just saying!....Mind-Control is a little hobby governments are very fond of!

[edit on 3-12-2009 by On the Edge]

I have to say I'm fairly cynical on this one. RFID is an extremely unlikely, not to mention very insecure way to track people. By its nature it is a short range, barely secure (64 bit encryption is about as secure as an unlocked door) passive radio emission.

Even if they improved it's range and improved its encryption all it would take is a regular tinkerer or less scrupulous person with the appropriate hardware to see if they, or anyone else had one implanted in them. Not only is the hardware and software incredibly easy to obtain, its very easy to use.

I'm not a scientist, or any kind of expert in this technology, however the field I spend a lot of time in has been using them in greater numbers, and we've done a lot of custom work with them; and they are very limited devices. Not exactly something you'd want to trust to keep tabs covertly on the populace.

I can believe the government doing something like this, but not with RFID, and even assuming they have technology well beyond the civilian populace, chip technology just hasn't evolved enough to be on the nano-cellular level, at least not from what I've seen. Even the newest testings with graphite compound chip mapping would still be bigger than something that could safely be injected into someone, let alone the lack of a power supply.

Like I said I'm nothing near an expert, but this just doesn't seem to be plausible yet.

I think this is bogus..

The RFID chips don't work like constant beacons beaming your information to a database!
They respond from a radio frequency beamed to the microchip and the microchip responds with its encrypted code AKA the ID information loaded onto the chip.

So putting RFID chips in the vaccine.. What is the purpose? It WOULD be top-secret nano-technology and it would NOT be RFID it would be another type of 'chip' -- Perhaps using the RFID as a 'cover' for what it actually is.

However I doubt the vaccines have a sort of microchip in them.. Plus, not many people are actually taking the vaccine, especially outside the USA. So they would have wasted a lot of effort to put a chip in each vaccine..

IDK I think this is just missing the bandwagon. Time to move on, enough with the conspiracy lunacy let's focus on making Contact with the Benevolent beings and spiritual energies of the Planet. We are too smart to be focusing on these fear-based distractions. You people must realise by now, that 'nothing is as it seems' - yet you keep falling into these illusions which are meant to keep you twiddling your thumbs in concern when you SHOULD be in Joy and Peace living in harmony with your family, and local community. We must work together my friends, start by making peace in your immediate life, together we can then bring our vision to greater grounds, local communities, and then the world.

THE RICIN GRENADE

A single drip of ricin contains enough toxin to kill 22 adult humans.

To control people, they don't need some complex set of registers a in the case of a chip that goes into a dog.

All you need is a microscopic vial of ricin in a super-microscopic bead linked to a RFID that responds to a particular code number.

If someone steps out of of line, they would simply have to read what the numbers on his rfids are, key them in and either paralyse or kill him to silence him.

No need for all this messy "keeping watch" on someone involving highly powered RFID, just cripple and kill him.

Originally posted by NewWorldDisorder
reply to post by cycondra

 

That's interesting because you're about the third person I've heard say that, I don't know if they are putting the chip in the shaft of the actual needle itself or not.. In all honesty I find this whole h1n1 microchip theory a little far fetched, that's why I wish someone could analyze the vaccine under microscope to put this thing to bed all together.

I'm sure eventually it will come out as nothing more than a bunch of people over reacting, when it does I wonder what the next big chip theory will be.

Everyone laughed when Gorky Markov claimed he had been shot by Bulgarian secret agents on Westminster Bridge in broad daylight and died shortly afterwards. Despite a bridge loaded with witnesses, no-one had seen a thing... that was until the autopsy peoel actually managed to find the microscopic bullet, still with some ricin in it, stuck deep in the the tissue of his leg.

Does anyone remember laughter? "Robert Plant"
Max Headroom? or a CGI brother from another mother? "Me"

As the Bible says...Into Dust ye shall return.
Maybe not the deterioration of a corpse, but rather, the return of branding us humans, now with a dust sized chip

reply to post by NewWorldDisorder


I share your view somewhat but through history there has been a lot of information obtained from what first was thought to be "far fetched" or "impossible" ideas. Among others, MK Ultra, room 641A, space travel and the atom bomb come to mind.

Although it might be impossible now it may not be in the future [ibid]. Also, the government and private corporations would have much to gain and little to lose with such a scheme.

My feeling is that something like vaccine microchips might be available but for purposes such as identifying the manufacturer and date--rather benign stuff.

Of course, like anything, most stuff developed for "good" can also be used for evil. See also: Nazi Doctors, Uranium enrichment, etc.

If the RFID tags where in the vaccine, then howcome when I scan my friend (who got the vaccine) with an RFID scanner...nothing shows up?

Personally, this story is hype and false.

If you think you have an RFID inside you, it makes sense to scan your body for RFID tags, or at least do some bug sweeping. Its quite easy.

reply to post by the_denv



Exactly my point from an earlier post. RFID is an extremely, emphasis on extremely, unlikely way for the government to tag people. Anyone who knows how RFID works would, like you and I, pretty much dismiss this.

As for the speculation of using Ricin in conjunction with an RFID implant, while inspired, isn't really possible. Again: if you know how RFID works, it pretty much precludes the possibility of using it for invasive means.

RFID is a very low power, very passive, very short range, and very unsecured system. Hell, due to its limitations it couldn't even be used on the 300 million plus people in America, let alone the world. It would run out of unique identifiers well before you finish. They can expand on that, of course, but the core technology remains the same. It just wouldn't work.

not suprised about the micro chipping in vacinnes thats what i felt they were about all the time however no one ever is going near me with a flipping needle end off..........

If you think you have an RFID inside you

If you think that you should be more worried about your mental state or I.Q..

Do the research people, RFID is BOGUS.

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Keep up the good work Bro