Zamora temple related to Masons???

Well my advice to you would be to do a little research. There have to be town or city records detailing when the building was built, by whom, and what its supposed purpose was, this is where I would start.

yes, but how would you go about getting that info without an address. this location is not on a public street. closest address I could give would be the site of the old temple. even if I could get that info & say it was the old temple building or something, what would that prove??? still would have no clue what really went on, who was doing it, etc... I truly believe there were rituals taking place there while it was in its state of ruin. I couldnt fathom them taking place while in the presence of the shriners. I did find it curious with all the talk of the masons conspiracy stuff & their link to the shriners.....that & Masonic Light's quick dismissal as common vandalism. I would point him to a case in either 1988 or 1989 about 70 miles from here where a satanic cult tied up a baptist minister & burned him at the stake! there are a few groups in this area that are DEEPLY into satanism & the occult.

Right, but this thing you found has nothing to do with Freemasonry, and as we are Freemasons, we're not sure what we can do to help you...

In the search for truth you can't always hope to get all the information you seek at one time, it will come. You have to take things in steps, gathering pieces of information and then when you have them all or the majority putting them together. Sure getting city or town records regarding this structure won't give you the whole picture, but it will give you a better picture than you have now, and some clues to point you in the right direction to find the rest. The question is simply how bad you want to know, and how hard you are willing to work to find out?

AlexKennedy, to assume there were no freemasons involved would be just as ignorant as assuming that there were...we cant make a claim either way, unless you were there & have some sort of proof as to what was actually going on there.

Oh thanks for replying A.K. and Mirthful.

I just stumbled upon this old thread and didn't even notice until now.




Peace

i think i speak for everyone when i say you'll need at least picture to back up this ludacris story

I dont actually need anything to back up this "ludacris story". frankly I could care less if anyone believes anything I say. I have no reason tomake this up. if you choose to believe it fine, if not then more power to you. if you had read my posts you would have seen that we found this over 10 years ago. I have not been back since & dont really care to go back. I posted this to put the pieces together in my mind, nothing more. my knowledge of freemasons/templers is very limited as you can tell from all my posts here. what better place to increase my knowledge than from practicing members? I would like to say thank you to all who provided useful posts and information.

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
This does not negate the fact that as I place the Fez of a Shriner upon my head, that I am symbolically tying the Lambskin Apron of a Master Mason about my waist.

Do you guys have non-lambskin aprons for those who don't agree with the killing of animals for decorative purposes?

[edit on 22-9-2004 by JonestownRed]

Here is a link you may find interesting. www.freemasonrywatch.org...

Contrary to a wide misconception, the masons have their history shackled in with numerous other secret societies. The link above is about an odd place, from my home town. A lodge of Odd Fellows, a fraternity rooted in Masonic secrect and ritual. Interestingly enough, as a foot note, the Lodge named in that news clipping shares its' back wall with the back of a southern baptist church i attended as a child.

goregrinder, thanks for that link. that just renewed my interest in going back & taking a second look. reading that made the hair on my neck stand on end. I cant understand why they would need to use real remains in a ritual that is supposed to be merely symbolic. that is a strange picture just above the article as well. slowly the pieces fall into place. anyone know how or where to find the locations of these Odd Fellow lodges? also any information pertaining to the link between the Odd Fellows & Masons/Freemasons(whichever is correct) would be appreciated. I would really like to get opinions from both members and non-members alike. The great thing about this to me is I have no preconceived notions whatsoever. before joining this board several months ago I had no idea what mason were, that they were connected with the Templers, etc... I still dont know much but it is interesting to learn.

Originally posted by JonestownRed

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
This does not negate the fact that as I place the Fez of a Shriner upon my head, that I am symbolically tying the Lambskin Apron of a Master Mason about my waist.

Do you guys have non-lambskin aprons for those who don't agree with the killing of animals for decorative purposes?

[edit on 22-9-2004 by JonestownRed]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What great post and valid question at the same time.

Why a lamb anyway?

lamb is a symbol of innocence

metal,

if you want to find out about the building where you saw this grisly stuff, I'd check w/ local police and co. sheriff's records. They often sort by address. They will have contacted the property owner at the time any complaints were ever filed. . .

Originally posted by JonestownRed

Do you guys have non-lambskin aprons for those who don't agree with the killing of animals for decorative purposes?

Masonic regalia companies have different kinds of aprons. One is called "lamtex", which is a synthetic leather, and is less expensive. Actual leather aprons are usually given as gifts to the Candidates on the night they receive the Third Degree, but these are keepsakes and are rarely worn. Most Lodges keep a large supply of cloth aprons, which are the ones actually used during meetings.

Fiat Lvx.

I have a nice pair of alligator-skin boots, if anyone's interested.

By the way, it's gratifying to know that the barbecued spring lamb you're EATING is also one that, since it is dead, because you're EATING it, will also provide an important article of ritual for Masons. You know, since you're alerady EATING it.

Just a little bit of rocket science for those who don't quite get it.

Originally posted by LTD602
I have a nice pair of alligator-skin boots, if anyone's interested.

By the way, it's gratifying to know that the barbecued spring lamb you're EATING is also one that, since it is dead, because you're EATING it, will also provide an important article of ritual for Masons. You know, since you're alerady EATING it.

Just a little bit of rocket science for those who don't quite get it.

Err... Where did that come from LTD? I wasn't trying to start an animal rights debate here, only to ask if the option was available. But since you insist...

As for the barbecued spring lamb? Nope, won't be me eating it. Yes, believe it or not, there are people who do object to such a thing. And the argument that its fine since the skin was taken from an animal that was going to be eaten doesn't fly either. You take away the sale of pelts from the sheep raisers, you take away much of their profits as well. Perhaps one day you will run into a Hindu mason who wishes for an alternative. However, minds greater than mine have come to the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with this practice, Kant and especially Descartes come to mind. That being said, Aristotle defended slavery. The issue is, and always has been, a subject of much debate among intelligent men. I believe that the issue becomes more difficult to justify if you take away the religious view that humans are the "special darlings" of the universe. I suppose Bentham expressed it best when he wrote "The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But rather, can they suffer?" I feel that for you to dismiss my question as laughable, and even presumptously hypocritical, was rather arrogant and contemptous. Look at what these "idiots" have to say:

There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher mammals in their mental faculties.... The difference in mind between man and the higher animals, great as it is, certainly is one of degree and not of kind. The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man. We have seen that the senses and intuitions, the various emotions and faculties, such as love, memory, attention and curiosity, imitation, reason, etc., of which man boasts, may be found in an incipient, or even sometimes a well-developed condition, in the lower animals. ~Charles Darwin

People must have renounced, it seems to me, all natural intelligence to dare to advance that animals are but animated machines.... It appears to me, besides, that [such people] can never have observed with attention the character of animals, not to have distinguished among them the different voices of need, of suffering, of joy, of pain, of love, of anger, and of all their affections. It would be very strange that they should express so well what they could not feel. ~Voltaire, Trate sur la tolerance


My thanks to ML for actually considering the question.

[edit on 25-9-2004 by JonestownRed]

[edit on 26-9-2004 by JonestownRed]

they run hospitals, do good deeds, after all, isn't it their belief good works get you to your eternal reward?( which we know is false, it is faith, true faith)

The shriner circus profits fund the hospitals, which is only about 10% of the annual take, the other 90% funds the lodge.

Most temple are built along grid lines, or the earth's natural magnetic lines.
Building temples along these lines , traps the power & produces ley lines.
Majik works better when performed on a ley line.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Here is Zamora Temple's website: zamora-dsc.tripod.com...

Thats a creepy looking temple and a creepy sounding jingle. I wish there was a top view of the building. I wonder if its shaped like a hexagram or something?

went back out there yesterday but was unable to go all the way to the building due to the police pulling in the road right behind me. since the last time I was there they have paved the dirt road, assigned a street name, built a couple houses and put up a new gate a couple hundred yards closer to old leeds rd. you can see where there is a trail through the brush around the gate where people have been walking up to the building. no telling what is left or what new is there now. plan on going back sometime soon. by the way, for people who live close by, the street that was once the dirt road is named brooks ln. hopefully I will be able to get some pictures by next week for all you demanding folks