Ufo Orbs, Man, UK

The OP in the first Video its Venus, as the Camera zooms in you can clearly see the Planet's relective shape aswell as the fact Venus in that phase Outshines anything (aside from the Sun and the Moon) when above 50% illuminated by the Sun. A simple look-back at the star charts on Heavens-Above confirms this to be the case.

The second video is also Chinese Lanterns (those cursed things), however dont be fooled as theres always "something" up there which can shape-shift and give the appearance to be something it isnt, in these both cases however the evidence is there to say its not Aliens visiting Earth.

what and there's not alien's visiting earth based on what? your opinion, your in the dark like everyone else.And your professional astonomical verdict that its venus in the first video may be right but i see that you failed to comment on the second video where you can clearly see that both objects move in ways that are not ossociated with chinese lanterns or planets. if you cant see that, then your in denial.

reply to post by jonnydavx

Ay up mate been in contact with ufo orbs for many years. Eeeeeezzzzzy stuff

its just venus. but there are aliens from there........women.

reply to post by azzllin



Chill out. I never ridiculed anyone here, so please do not imply that I did. Ad hominem attacks are not very nice, and shows how low you will stoop in order to protect your precious misconceptions and warped view of reality.

I only asked (politely) if you could not post more crappy footage/pics here. What you do with it outside of ATS I couldn't give a monkeys about, so stop trying to make out like I was giving you orders or something.

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by azzllin

 

Chill out. I never ridiculed anyone here, so please do not imply that I did. Ad hominem attacks are not very nice, and shows how low you will stoop in order to protect your precious misconceptions and warped view of reality.

I personally don't understand why someone as cocksure in their belief that aliens visiting earth is pure, unadulterated rubbish continually posts on an alien conspiracy forum, but alas... I digress.

I would however, like to present you a question, C.H.U.D (and any other cocksure skeptic). You criticized azzlin for having a "warped view of reality," but what makes you think yours isn't? Do you feel an aura of superiority over people like us simply because you rely on the left-sided rational, scientific mind to define and explain reality, and this feeling makes you unwilling to question anything presented as fact from authority/scientific figures?

Let me turn the tables on you for a second: go and show me hard proof that the leaders of this world are really human. Go ahead. Take your time. Well... have you perosnally met them? Have you studied and analyzed their bodies and looked at their DNA under an electron mircroscope? Were you present when they were birthed? No, you most definitely weren't, mate. Therefore, you can't prove that the leaders are indeed human. So, you need hard evidence to believe that aliens visit earth, but you don't need hard evidence to believe anything that Joe Smartypants from Harvard's Astrophysics Department publishes in his science journal. This is the ultimate case of selective reasoning.

The truth is that you are just as brainwashed as others and your "view of reality" is just as warped -- actually even moreso than your counterpart azzlin, because at least azzlin is a bit more open-minded to the fact that aliens are here. This is why I am always saying, be your own authority and stop relying on the words of anyone, whether they be mine, a t.v. news anchor or a mainstream scientist.


[edit on 6-12-2009 by hermantinkly]

Originally posted by hermantinkly
but what makes you think yours isn't? Do you feel an aura of superiority over people like us simply because you rely on the left-sided rational, scientific mind to define and explain reality, and this feeling makes you unwilling to question anything presented as fact from authority/scientific figures?

Let me get this straight. You think I have a warped view of reality because I'm tired of seeing mobile phone footage of fuzzy out of focus lights that could be almost anything, and that they never contribute anything to the field, and because I rely on logic and facts rather than pseudoscience and assumption?

Originally posted by hermantinkly
You criticized azzlin for having a "warped view of reality,"

Yes, and here is the proof. What kind of investigator, if he's truly unbiased says:

I have been doing what I do long enough to realize, that when I do get something that will prove beyond any shadow of a doubt about the reality of ET life and the definitive existence of none man made objects traversing our atmosphere

Sounds to me like he already has his mind made up, despite the distinct lack of proof. Anyone who can jump to conclusions like that has a problem (ie they have a warped view of reality) I rest my case.

As for hypothetical example regarding world leaders being non-human... you're more warped than he is if you can't see what's wrong with that example.

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.

As for hypothetical example regarding world leaders being non-human... you're more warped than he is if you can't see what's wrong with that example.

That's the type of response I expected from you, mate. You can't prove that they aren't aliens. It shows how inclined some "armchair scientists" are to using selective reasoning: you claim you need proof to believe that aliens visit earth, but you don't need proof to believe an authority figure like a scientist. How do you know that what they publish in their scientific journals and academic textbooks is indeed factual truth? You can't prove it for yourself, can you? You just swallow it all down like a faithful Christian receiving sacrament at church, because you have been conditioned to believe that science supposedly stands for all things "rational and reasonable."






[edit on 6-12-2009 by hermantinkly]

Hi,
Just read through this thread, now forgive me if i'm wrong, but when someone has a new video to do with Orbs in Manchester, are we going to have multiple threads about the same subject??.. I just dont see the point in having 5 or 6 threads about orbs in Manchester, when one thread could keep that info all in one place.

We already have a thread about orb sightings in this part of the U.K, it has been discussed here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And to further go back on whats already being discussed in the videos.

Unless those particular orbs shot down and presented themselves as extra terrestrial beings, how do you know they aren't being controlled by something or someone right here on earth?

Dont get me totally wrong here, I'd like to think that somewhere outside of our solar system or maybe inside it, (universally) Extra Terrestrials might visit our earth and do exist... But I want conclusive proof.

I've witnessed a white orb of light travel across the night sky without any sound or navigational lights, having observed this orb of light through binoculars for a couple of minutes, i can confirm it had no wings and no tail... it powered down and i could only just make out the outline, before it shot off, speed, I havent a clue whether it moved away from me, disappeared on the spot or shot off upwards it went that fast... what was it? I dont know, I invited Manchesters Aerial Phenomena Investigation Team to read over my Statement and after Astrological and Meterological Investigations they concluded in their own words ''stumped'' at what I witnessed....
Do I think it was an Extra Terrestrial Spaceship... I dont know.. I cant say it is and I cant say it isnt... I'm not prepared to make that leap without conclusive proof.

I just wish some of you would respect each others opinions before posting, i know its mentioned in a literal sense ''I respect your opinion'' etc but later on you begin attacking each other, theres really no need to do that, if you dont agree with someones opinion or believe the video to be something else entirely, go away spend some time researching what it is you believe it to be and post up some conclusive evidence to back up your argument on an intellectual basis, I haven't been here long but i'm already tired of wading through pages of insults without anyone having anything decent to add, particularly when they are doing exactly what they said they wouldnt do... which is insult the other person.

Its high time there was some kind of 3 strikes and your out rule, for people that cant debate and think before they post.

I came to ATS because I wanted a place to dig up regular sightings and reports so that i can collate them on a daily basis.... right now all i'm getting is insults and accusations... the UFO subject has an awful ''hoax'' stigma attached to it as it is, without us warring against each other constantly... lets just take a step back and remember why we began trying to find or work this out...

I'd like to also ask that if any of you live in the UK, and have witnessed a white orb/orange orb sighting, and have a confirmed date/time as well as direction of movement, please can you fill out a small questionnaire and send it to me. The information I need is in the other thread.

Thank you for reading.