Ufo Orbs, Man, UK

reply to post by azzllin



Hi buddy .

Any chance of you revealing what kit you use . I ask purely out of interest .

reply to post by azzllin


Loved your post, your attitude, and your non-judgemental contribution to this thread

Have a star

reply to post by azzllin


excellent reply mate - when I saw the lights everyone was asking why i didnt film it.....simple reason is my camera would have caught jack and it would have been pointless.....part of thinks I should have for the simple reason of it being a personal record as you said earlier....Ill bear that in mind if I see anything like it again......

reply to post by Illegal Alien


I saw these things too over Anglesey (North Wales) It was July 2008. I was up late looking at the stars when I saw one nice bright orangey one begin to move. I just thought that was an optical effect of the clouds moving. As I carried on watching this 'star' it began to make un-natural, controlled movements, up and down, 90 degree turns, stopping and starting, speeding up, slowing down....you name it. As I gazed in awe at this thing I saw another 'star' beginn to move in the same way. This one was more of a blue white colour. After about 2 minutes of moving about, the first orange-white object began to follow a kind of large arc path off to the North West and over the horizon, a couple of seconds later the blue one followed. I don't know how to judge the height of these things but I think it was quite high, much higher than a helicopter and no sound. I saw these things with two other people and I learned the next day that a US Army base was in the direction that they went. The direction they went was also towards the sea and a bit of land called 'Great Orme'. I also learned that this place has had UFO reports attached to it for years. I have also heard that locals see them regularly.

I think the problem with 'orb' type UFO videos filmed at night is that they always look bad whatever they might be! You can see no detail or judge scale or height when a light is filmed against a black sky. I think there are many people who do see genuine UFOs for them it's insulting to be told you must have seen a paper lantern or a stationary planet when you know it was nothing like that.

I am in Manc/ Lancs too but I haven't seen anything recently.

reply to post by mjtwelve


I have several 35mm Cameras that are used to just point and shoot, I always found it useless to try and use the view finder, your always waiting for the focus to adjust, it's better to just aim and shoot, I have 2 Sony Video cameras, mostly because Sony have night vision as standard on most of their cameras now, one is used in standard mode and the other used in night vision to give a side by side recording, they are connected with a metal brace, so where one is turned, the other one turns exactly the same, I use an everyday webcam which we connect to a laptop, there is a piece of foil inside behind the lens, on some models if you remove the foil, it turns the webcam into a kind of night vision, it allows it to pick up a lot more in the dark, there are video's on you tube how to do that, and if you put an old telephoto lens onto it, you can see a lot further, give that one a try it's well worth the effort, we use that to record in the background, so it allows to concentrate on what we are seeing without the need to scan the area for perspective, and can be moved around if needed.

I also have an old (Large) VHS camera with a IR light connected to it, we did have 2 but one needs replacing, we also need a bigger IR, we have to connect it to the car battery for more output, we are unsure as to the range which is hard to figure out when pointing upwards towards the sky.

Recording on VHS & 35mm is my priority now rather than digital, digital can be messed around with too much, and am trying to avoid that, then I have negatives, I want to go down to old 8mm but it's way expensive, and hard to find now.

I have a small telescope which I haven't used yet, I got it also because it can be connected to the laptop, it has tracking on it, but it tracks the sky, we are trying to figure a way so we can use the keyboard to move it around, we use scanners to listen just in case there are any reports to Police or air traffic control, and has been useful a few times, and we have two digital voice recorders we use, just to monitor what is said and to let us get on with the watching, as well as personal laptops to check images off the digital cameras on the spot.

I met a guy not so long ago who got into trouble because he made himself a small radar system out of old equipment, we are trying to find out the legalities of maybe using something similar, from what we have found out, as long as it is registered, and properly tested, and some other license details about locations and informing the right people, I don't understand all the details, but from what we know it can be done, and would be a major item to use, I figure they never expected anyone to find the need for something like that, I would like to see something like how to make one put on youtube for others to use.

We also have other gizmos like EMF meters, which we got for ghostie hunts, but we take them with us, and cant forget our fold up chairs, and fire pit, all the comforts of home lol, I have a small Honda diesel generator, and a really old Russian multi band radio, which picks up just about every frequency you can imagine, a few times when we have been watching something, that radio has done some really odd things, like white noise will suddenly turn into a strong signal, like someone is keying a mic but not saying anything?

There is more which without pulling it all out I cant think of, the others who I often go with have some equipment, and some of what I have mentioned was bought by all of us, it seems all the time someone tries new things, or buys something new, car boot sales are excellent for the old stuff, as is eBay, dirt cheap some of it, but well worth it if your serious.

What I have found is, because of the fake claims and CGI a lot of serious hunters are switching back to analogue, just to protect themselves if the claims are made of hoax, if used with modern digital equipment, you have an analogue back up which cant be gotten around.

I find that important because if the time did come when the irrefutable evidence is right there in front of us, then we can back it up, there has to be no doubt at all.

Buy what you can while it's still semi modern and cheap, once it goes into the collectible category, it becomes way too expensive, there is a guy on Ebay who sells 35mm film by the hundred at a fraction of the price you would normally pay, a lot of it past it's exp date, but I have yet to have any problem with out of date film, exp dates are there to keep the market moving imo.

My best equipment though has to be friends, people who you can rely on and them you, having fun, drink a beer (if you drink) and swap ideas, I learn t a long time ago, it doesn't really matter what people say or think, you are the one who is there, you are the one who is witnessing it, you don't really need to prove anything to anyone, but it's nice and important to have a record of it, even the smallest detail can make all the difference, even to someone 20 miles away seeing the same thing, it's easy for someone who was not there to make a judgment.

Just have fun and be patient, you can never know what or when something will show up, 95% of the time all you see are planes and other manmade aircraft, it's the 5% that gets you, and the 1% of that 5% which will blow your mind.

The third video is most likely Chinese lanterns, one flickers out or becomes obscured, another three could be harnessed together I've seen all this before in the air. The first video shows an object at one stage being a little refocussed in Zoom but equivalent in Zoom to the power lines overhead, I'm not sure that should be so. The second video is through windows so anything goes there. This is not a "debunk" just more info needed. Date, time, place orientation in the sky as far as the videos are concerned. How often you don't get this info from video.

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


I know what you mean about the detail and stuff.
It's pretty pointless filming them as evidence for others to see, as the brightness dazzles all the detail out.
I regret being unable to film them for my own personal record though, but hopefully next time I'll be more prepared.
I don't hoax or lie about anything, and so far, have not been accused of doing so, and to be honest I don't think I care who believes me or not, as I know my own truth, and that's good enough for me.
I've seen a couple of others around here, but none of my recent sightings have displayed the bizarre movements you described.
I did see one sometime around 1973/4 when my sister pointed at a 'star' moving across the sky, but zig-zagging form side to side at the same time.
That was in the Manchester area, (I'm from there too) and sometimes I used to sneak out at night with a sleeping bag and go to a wooded hillside near my home to fall asleep watching the stars.
I saw a couple of odd things then, too.

Cheers.

I.A.

reply to post by azzllin


Wow, thank you so much for the info. I can see your point on wanting to revert back to analogue . Give me 30 sec's with a digital shot and I can tell you if it has been manipulated , what I can't do is tell you the degree of manipulation . I will keep an eye out for your future posts . Please stay in touch

MJ

Hi azzllin, It could well have been the ISS you have spotted, just a thought... second thoughts cancel that, ISS not visible here at the moment.



[edit on 1-12-2009 by smurfy]

reply to post by selfisolated



I Saw something Like that in the first vid, first up I thought it was a plane. Turns out it was an orange color thing moving across the sky, my eyesight is not the best so I called out a friend and asked what I was looking at.
He didn't know but as far as he was concerned it wasn't usual aircraft and could see something rotating in the center of the light.

I saw one of those next to the building I live in . I know it was no plane and I know it was no Chinese lantern , because it was flying right above the building which is a 5 stories high. So if it was a plane then it was a kamikaze pilot (not counting the lack of sound and shape of a plane). It also was no lantern because with a wind in the opposite direction it was still flying towards me and behind my building .

What I saw can be described as an orb of red light no bigger than 1-1.5m in diameter.

I did post about it somewhere on the boards , some time ago.

[edit on 2-12-2009 by Thill]

heya,

does anyone know why in the first two videos the orbs change from red to green? Is it a focus thing? Could someone with knohow explain the effect?

Im pretty sure the orb in the first vid moves from side to side but the cables are static in the vid... ill watch it again n check

~TR

EDIT: well i watched it again and it looks a lot to me like it is moving diagonaly up and down, and the cable isnt moving (appart from the wobble, which is disspraportionate to the movement of the red orb)

[edit on 2-12-2009 by Tomb_Raven]

reply to post by jonnydavx


I think Venus can be seen near the sunset or sunrise.

Details from BBC

SPOTTING VENUS FROM THE EARTH
Besides the Sun and the Moon, Venus is the brightest object in the sky. It cannot be seen in the middle of the night. But you can try and spot it near the horizon at sunrise or sunset.
Because it is closer to the Sun than the Earth, Venus shows phases, like the Moon. Sometimes these can be seen with the naked eye.

But even through a telescope, Venus reveals few secrets. The whole planet is surrounded by a thick blanket of clouds. So the only way to discover what lies beneath is to go there.

Originally posted by Illegal Alien
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

I know what you mean about the detail and stuff.
It's pretty pointless filming them as evidence for others to see, as the brightness dazzles all the detail out.
I regret being unable to film them for my own personal record though, but hopefully next time I'll be more prepared.
I don't hoax or lie about anything, and so far, have not been accused of doing so, and to be honest I don't think I care who believes me or not, as I know my own truth, and that's good enough for me.
I've seen a couple of others around here, but none of my recent sightings have displayed the bizarre movements you described.
I did see one sometime around 1973/4 when my sister pointed at a 'star' moving across the sky, but zig-zagging form side to side at the same time.
That was in the Manchester area, (I'm from there too) and sometimes I used to sneak out at night with a sleeping bag and go to a wooded hillside near my home to fall asleep watching the stars.
I saw a couple of odd things then, too.

Cheers.

I.A.

Yep, I would like to have filmed these things. To be honest I really don't know where to start, would you need a tripod, night vision? It's something I am considering.
Strangely enough I.A. I saw something very similar to your zig-zagging UFO also. It was above Rochdale around 1995. Was an orange orb type craft and it seemed to disapear (or it's light turning off?) and then reapearing higher up, then lower down, in order to follow a kind of zig zag pattern across the sky. I didn't mention it before as it was ages ago and this thread was opened re. recent sightings. As I said before I am watching out for stuff now but it always seems to be cloudy in Manchester.

We're not looking a Venus. Venus is proper blatant.

I'm starting to think theres a LOT of sightings of these things going on - we're only a tiny percent of people, just think how many people don't participate in this forum but could have seen these things? In 2 of my sightings I've been with friends who have witnessed the same unexplainable phenomena, but don't give one

Perhaps we should get everyone marking their sightings on one big map - see if theres any correlation.
I personally believe there could be an environmental connection, and would like such a map for my own reference, to overlay over various maps related to environmental issues - theres a lot more of them than you might think!

Azzllin much appriciated for the great post, couldnt really put what happens here on ATS in better words. Btw where abouts in the uk are you from?

i also like the idea about the map, and just something to throw in, i find that people who have witness ufo's and who do not come on ATS would have no idea where to start about reporting something or making people aware apart from ringing me half the time lol. Does any 1 have any ideas or thoughts on how people could become aware of a service like this if there is 1? a phone number?

thanks for all the input much appriciated

reply to post by jonnydavx


I think we need to create a dynamic map on ATS so sightings can be logged with approximate locations and directions of travel. You could then have links to pictures or videos of the sightings and possibly get a better picture of whats going on.....how to go about this I dont know but thats a step in the right direction....maybe ATS could host something like this....

In my humble opinion as an amateur astronomer, the object in the first two videos is Venus at opposition. This makes it exceedingly bright at around magnitude -3 or more.

The obvious way to identify Venus and any other mundane explanation is to check what the sky charts predict for the time/location in question. Why people don't take this simple step and eliminate any doubt is difficult to understand. Free software like Stellarium will allow you to determine what's up there any time, any place. If Stellarium doesn't show it, then start wondering what it could be. So watch out for Jupiter atm shining brightly in the Southern sky. Not as bright as Venus but impressive anyway. Use some good quality binos and glimpse its larger moons. With a bit of luck you'll see four moons spaced in a straight line around the planet. You only have to look.

WG3

[edit on 2-12-2009 by waveguide3]

Quote:
I didn't mention it before as it was ages ago and this thread was opened re. recent sightings.
Unquote.

Oops! Yeah.
Forgot about that in my enthusiasm.
Hope nobody noticed.

To get back on topic, I did see another bright white light a year ago. a pretty big one too.
At first I thought it might be a helicopter spotlight, but again there was no sound and it just gradually got smaller until it disappeared, which was odd because if it was moving away, I would expect it to go down over the horizon, but it just stayed in the same spot, and got smaller as if it was going upwards and away.
Hung around for quite a while though.

[edit on 3-12-2009 by Illegal Alien]

reply to post by waveguide3


You've just reminded me of Stellarium.. nice one!
Used to use that in Physics A level cosmology module. Completely forgot bout it til now, cheers