Large Hadron Collider's 1st collisions recorded

Large Hadron Collider's 1st collisions recorded

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Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider successfully smashed together two beams of protons in the machine's particle accelerator for the first time on Tuesday

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Well, the begining of the particle beam collisions has taken place. By Jan they will rev up the collider to a much faster speed in their attempt to recreate the Higgs Boson. I don't know, it still bothers me. I just cannot stop thinking that if science already knows for sure what will happen, then why do they need to recreate it? I mentioned on another thread that if one tiny particle started everything, the higgs boson, then how are we not doing that over if we are recreating that same moment?

I did recieve one answer that said that we are only recreating the moments AFTER the big bang, but in order to get after, you gotta have the 'before'. Oh, and they also broke a world record for the fastest particle accelerator. Thoughts?

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they dont know for sure what will happen. they have maths that tell them what SHOULD happen based upon current knowledge.

einstein thought that the atmosphere would ignite if the atom bomb was detonated. they did it anyway...

maybe they've created a stargate and when they open that bad boy up, she'll suck us all, nipple and nutsack through to another plane of existence!!!

>particl-erized

The main purpose of the Hadron Collider is to achieve Cold Fusion ( a method to release nuclear energy without harmful radiation and without the radioactivity associated with conventional methods and no harmful waste)

this is news to me. i remember it being about particle collisions in effort to define the very basic principals of particulate physics...

some sources for your claims please

reply to post by wx4caster

No.
Einstein thought no such thing. Edward Teller speculated that it was possible but unlikely that an atmospheric chain reaction could occur.

It is shown that, whatever the temperature to which a section of the atmosphere may be heated, no self-propagating chain of nuclear reactions is likely to be started.

www.fas.org...

Other than recommending the development of an atomic bomb to Roosevelt, Einstein had very little to directly do with it. Except of course for his theory of special relativity (1905).

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Originally posted by wx4caster
this is news to me. i remember it being about particle collisions in effort to define the very basic principals of particulate physics...

some sources for your claims please

Fusion refers to the joining of two nuclei to form one larger nucleus. The larger nucleus (being unstable) breaks apart and releases energy. The energy released from the breaking apart of the nucleus is greater than the energy required to fuse the two smaller nuclei, hence nuclear power is produced. The difference between cold fusion and conventional fusion is in the amount of energy needed for fusion to take place.
Since the two smaller nuclei are both positively charged, they naturally repel one another. Massive amounts of kinetic energy are needed for conventional fusion. This energy is usually supplied by particle accelerators .

A short lesson in particle physics for you .

reply to post by mjtwelve

Do you consider 14 TeV "low energy"?

When the LHC collides protons (hydrogen nuclei) its goal is not nuclear fusion or fission. Its goal is to destroy the proton itself. To break it into its (theoretical) constituent parts, quarks. It is what happens to those parts after the collision that is of interest.

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So you think all that money was spent just to find the " god particle " ?

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So you think all that money was spent just to find the " god particle " ?

Hardly...and Phage didn't say that...the act of breaking a proton into it's smaller parts can teach us a whole array of things we have yet to learn about particle physics. It's all theoretical...and any theory has to be tested doesn't it?

EDIT: And it's main goal is not nuclear fission or fusion, if at all.

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Yes , of course it does .

What do you think the accelerator will be used for in the future, assuming their initial goals are achieved ?

Just recently the LHC reached over that magical threshold of one tera
electron volts or one TRILLION electron volts which sounds like a lot but
is the equivalent energy output of a mosquito...which doesn't sound
so bad does it?

One slight problem that the physicists forgot to mention is that they
fired a heck of a lot of energy in a space that's a hell of a lot smaller
than a mosquito!

They also forgot to mention the term "Energy Density" where
if one extrapolates one tera electron volts in a 3D area the size
of say a helium or gold nuclei and scale up to say the size of a mosquito,
the total energy output would be in the area of 10 or 20 Atto electron volts
or basically the gravitational distortion capability of a super giant sun
collapsing in on itself forming a neutron star.

In short they're REALLY playing with fire! OK how about this
Quark Gluon Plasmas, Negatively Charged Stranglets,
expanding Accretion Disks of artificial black holes...this is territory
where the physicists forget about the term TOTAL ENERGY OUTPUT
per cubic millimetre --- matter gets pretty dense when a bunch of gold
or helium nuclei are smashed together and like a ringing bell that's been
tapped a little too hard it may crack and fall apart as the "Harmonics" of near
instantaneous mass densification causes new forms of matter to
be created as the old matter "fractures" and falls apart.

Take a balloon and fill it with water...squeeze it and the balloon distorts
and the water forces itself elsewhere taking the pressure off the whole.
Squeeze a full balloon of water from EVERY direction, and it bursts with the
usual wet results. Scale this to high energy physics and immense
densities created from all sides...and what happens? A catastrophic bending
of our 3 & 4 dimensional space/time into a coughing and wheezing
multi-dimensional model of virtual particles that don't just wink in and out
of our existence but rather cause a cascading failure point of
"Multi-dimensional Array Variables" suddenly having their values flipped
of transferred to another array dimension...ergo... a cube of our 3D space
suddenly turns into a mush of 7 dimensional N-space values that have no
coherence or meaning in our 3D cube of space and time...ergo we turn
into a giant pea soup of quark gluon plasma that keeps eating up
our universe until the Universal Array Variable is reset and flushed
and we of course all die in the usual horrible and meaningless manner
of sudden non-existence!

hmmm....I wonder what they'll think up next?

I do appreciate knowledgeable answers, it helps me to understand what is the purpose of this collider. I don't though understand yet what exactly will they do with the information should they find that which they are seeking. I did read an article somewhere that was saying that energy was at the root of it all, to create a source of energy.

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Just when I thought it was sounding safer.......

Complicated, scary scenario you just presented, what really bothers me is that you sound like you know exactly what you are talking about!

reply to post by mjtwelve


You are confusing purpose with application.

The purpose of the collider is to provide further knowledge into the nature of sub-atomic particles in a high energy environment, akin to recreating the initial conditions of the big bang. This could help us to understand what matter really is and pave the way for a unified theory of everything.

What happens after that, especially if it is successfull, bogles the mind with the potential applications.

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Where did you pull 14 Tev from ?

The Collider is set for an upgrade in 2010 and then only expected to reach 7 Tev

the ineteresting part is if they DONT find the God Particle...

With the LHC at CERN if signs that the God Particle was present are not found that means that the God Particle is pure Fiction, you cant build bigger or different machines, this is it, or the God Particle shows it self or it never existed...so everybody must re-think new Physics..thats what interesting

what happens if electrons are fired through gold or helium nuclei?
expansion- uncontrolled nuclear expansion or fusion.

what happens if protons are fired through gold or helium nuclei?
compression- uncontrolled nuclear compression or a blackhole.

I find it less then possible that any type of energy release would cause dimension shifts or convergences. If anything would happen, I'd theorise that the energy released would travel either forward or backwards in time.

Don't ask me why, Im not a scientist, and im not knowledgeable, but to me it makes sense.

Ohh and reading this post again makes me think about something....

If a balloon was filled up with water and pressure applied equally to every single point of its sides, then chances are that it would contain itself rather then explode, since the pressure is being applied equally on every side.

I would apply that to the theory that an apreture would be create between dimensions, that would be self contained and would be in ancred in space time.

So as our planet would move then so would its location. But then again feel free to contradict my explanation

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