Give The Police Some Credit

"This is the problem, you are applying a few youtube videos to every single cop. Do you have any clue how many arrests are made per day? Yet you happily make it sound like they are all the same, this is utterly wrong imo."

Applying this same logic, how many instances of police brutality are not recorded by video cameras, and thus, never see the light of day? Although these cases of police brutality do seem to be the exception, a more militarized police force has only served to increase the instances of police brutality.

The main problem is that when there is an allegation of criminal behavior by a Police Officer, they are investigated by one of their own. How can one expect a fair and impartial investigation when cops are investigating cops? When the system is set up to exonerate illegal behavior, you naturally end up with more and more abuses. It's just human nature.

Police Officers are not paid by other officers, they are paid by the tax dollars from the general public. How do you expect the the criminal behavior of some Police Officers to change, when the same people whom they are supposedly serving, are not permitted to investigate them and hold them accountable?

The issue is not about good cops versus bad cops, it is about a rotten and corrupt system which breeds and encourages criminal behavior by failing to punish it. Yeah, it does take courage to stand up to corruption. Please excuse some of us for naively thinking that these same brave cops who have the courage to put their lives on the line every single day, may have the courage to stand up to illegal activity within their ranks.

When those who are entrusted to uphold the law are handcuffed by a vile and corrupt system, what hope is there?

reply to post by SphinxMontreal


But again the majoirty of officers, despite being strangled by a corrupt system (in your opinion) are doing well and behaving themselves. If they were not doing so then you would not be living in the society you are. If the majoirty were corrupt then you would be living in a very different country. That only needs historical reference to show that it is true.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
It comes across wrong.People never realize the sacrifice made by cops and their familes.Do you know how many holidays my uncle and cousins missed?Its time you can never get back!!!My uncle passed this week,my brain is scattered from the loss.He was a good cop but always a friend .
What really matters in life is family and watching your kids grow.I can only reflect back and ask was being a cop worth it???

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I have a few friends on facebook that are cops, and some of their friends are states attorneys, assistants, etc, and the way they talk about the people shows me that even the normal cops seem to have littel to no respect for people. and they're laughing about it.

there are some good cops out there, but so far, it seems they're the increasing minority among the whole justice system.

What you have to remember is that cops are people too. Some are good and some are bad, and none are to be trusted.

I had an issue with a fat slob of a woman coming on to my property and confronting my 15 year old daughter. She went right in to a closed garage. She was looking for her missing 18 year old son at 5:00 in the afternoon. She was a real frustrated beast of a woman. I told her to get her fat ass off my property before I "escorted" her off. She calls 911.

Three cops showed up and they acted like I was at fault. Total pricks. They told me they couldn't arrest her because I didn't have no trespassing signs.

They treated me like a criminal and stood their ground like it was my fault and took her side in the whole thing.

I got the 911 call through the FOIA and setup a website and tore apart the cops report and compared it with the 911 call. Total lies on both sides. It was blatant with the woman and the cops and it embarrassed the deprtment so much so that I got a call.

In the end I got a personal "i'm sorry" from the chief of police as he asked if I would take the site down.

These cops thought I was some kind of white trash they could push around. I just got back from the gym so I was in shorts but I am a network engineer by trade. The one thing they forget about is FOIA and who people may be.

All three of these cops may not care but a lot of people found out about it and made all kinds of comments on my blog the chief didn't like.

In the end I took it down but only when the fat slob of a woman was forced to come down to the station and be formally warned in front of me not to come near my home again.

So, in the end I agree. Most cops are total jerks and without the FOIA and the Internet we would be doomed in today's atmosphere of abuse.

Now I have two no trespass signs on my property. I dare anyone to do it again because I will not call the cops and they wont get the chance too until they are educated about my private property.

As a side note I have a nice cut of the 911 if anyone is interested in hearing it.... Its actually funny how this blubbering woman goes on and on but the 911 operator cant get anything out of her.

I called the cops once when my neighbor was being raped. I'll never make that mistake again. From what I learned from her experience, if I was ever raped, I would rather the guy go free than suffer at the hands of the cops who arrived on scene. Of course they tried to butter me up by calling me a hero, but the interrogation they but her though paying good cop bad cop after she had just suffered a horrific act of violence... I will admit that there was on cop out of the 5 who responded that wasn't an utter pervert, he actually seemed like he cared, but I bet the rest of them went home that night and jerked of a the though of her being raped. So no I do not trust the cops enough to ask for help and I will continue speak out against them. It sucks for the goods ones out there that I know exist, but I am not going to risk the fact that a good one may not be the one to show up.

These are the scum in my city.

This is what they do and then it costs the taxpayer to foot the bill. They try to do this to everyone. It cost me $85.00 to get the 911 call when the Nazis showed up at my home but it was worth every penny.

Unfortunately we will pay these two victims 700k for these jackboot liars we have in the Royal Oak Police Department in Royal Oak Michigan...

[edit on 28-11-2009 by northof8]

Yes, give credit where credit is due. It's a job they pick sure, but it's a tough job and it involves guts. And if more than the norm go over the edge, which I'm not even sure is true, well they as a whole are still out there, and most of them are the good guys, who, as someone already said, you might be really happy to see one day...when you're lying bleeding in an overturned car, when your child is missing, when your house is broken into or even if you're broken down on the side of a road after midnight. What many perceive as arrogance or coldness are merely coping mechanisms, and much of the necessity for that is brought on by cold-hearted people who don't understand the job or the stress, and attitudes like many displayed here.

Seems to me that those who have the most issues with the police are those who have never been in a situation where they really needed them, those on the wrong side or the law or who have close friends or relatives you have been, and those who simply judge based on a still relatively few incidents of corruption and abuse. they're not perfect or all heroes by any stretch...they're humans who do a tough job, and most of the time for all the right reasons. I stand by our men and women of law enforcement and support them, even if there are some whose asses I'd like to kick from time to time. There's far more of that in Congress and even local government, a lot of which they don't like either. Focus on that instead and the rest will follow.

[edit on 28-11-2009 by ~Lucidity]

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Yes, give credit where credit is due. It's a job they pick sure, but it's a tough job and it involves guts.
[edit on 28-11-2009 by ~Lucidity]

i beg to differ,gutless more like it...who the hell would be scared of anything knowing a radio call away you can have an army at your side...most never go to a call solo,you never see 1 cop take down 1 man.. it's 5 to 1..always hell.. look at car chases... 1 car 1 guy... 20 cop cars 40+ cops.. wheres the guts in that?

you want guts.. go back to the days when a horse was your ride.. and you didnt have radios... and when you seen the "wanted".. you took him... dead or alive. thats guts.

reply to post by KINGOFPAIN


Never go to a call solo? All the cops I know, and I know a lot, patrol and approach alone. And it's the first few minutes that are typically the most dangerous. Methinks you've been watching too many of said YouTube videos.

Give The Police Some Credit

I give police much credit for the safety and order in my area. They enforce the laws to protect the innocent. I feel the two areas where they work best is preventative crime. They get rid of the gangs, and get rid of the methheads. They deserve credit.

The police profession seems to attract two types of peoople. The first type of person it attracts are people that have a strong and sincere interest to serve their communities. These people become good cops. They are not affraid to bust a bad guy, but are willing to allow good people to work things out because having good people work things out is what is ultimately best for the community.

The second type of person that gets attracted to the police profession is the person that has a perverse obsession with power. These people make bad cops. At best, these people write ticky-tack tickets all day. At their worst, these cops are abusive and commit grave injustices.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I know a cop who works in the housing projects. He always works with a partner and they ride in the same car together.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint

Yeah, typically the lucky ones with budget and the unlucky ones with dangerous neighborhoods to patrol get partners, and some get partners after midnight when they double up for safety but then get to patrol a wider area (tradeoffs there I guess), but for the most part, everyone I know patrols alone.

I was talking to my brother who has been a cop for a year now. He tells me that there are a lot of problems with the police and that it is hard to get rid of bad cops because his department is so understaffed and there are way too many crimes for them to handle as it is.

They do get rid of many bad apples but in all they cannot keep up with crime and get rid of everybody.

I asked him why it was so hard to get police officers and why it was so hard to get more good police officers.

The answer?

There aren't enough quality people that have good morals and judgement applying for the academy in the first place. Most of them that are of high moral character are quite frankly having trouble dealing with the fact that they have the worst members of society to deal with every day. Many of them quit because it's just not worth it. Many more go in with the best intentions but find that they can't do the job as proper, straight laced officers and survive the job.

So,
I guess the question for the cop haters is, why aren't there more of you out there showing them how it should be done?



[edit on 29-11-2009 by badgerprints]

I give cops credit.

I believe the overwhelming majority are good cops.

But what I don't tolerate is how they defend the bad apples. They know who the bad ones are and choose to look the other way than to be a rat.

I also think that many judges hinder the police. What good is it arresting bad guys if judges let them back out on the street the next day.

The whole system needs some fixing. Not a major overhaul, just some fine tuning.

The only cops that deserve credit are the ones that stand up to the corruption in their own house, but unfortunately they are the ones whose careers get torpedoed or who end up "killed on duty" with no backup.

"A Los Angeles Police Department narcotics officer was killed serving a high risk warrant in Echo Park today. An L.A.P.D. spokesperson said the young
officer was survived by his wife and infant child."

The cops are over the limit on their credit, they get no more.

Any "Good" cop that turns a blind eye to any of the actions of the "Bad" cop are just as guilty as if they had done it themselves.

Any "Good" cop that has went speeding around at night on streets at speeds that would land the average citizen in jail is not a "Good" cop.

Any "Good" cop that lets a traffic offender off because they donate money to their booster organization or hands out a courtesy card is not a "Good" cop.

Any "Good" cop that lies or tries to manipulate any suspect is not a "Good" cop, learning how to subvert Miranda is not acceptable.

These people are supposed to serve the citizens they seldom do more than extort free goodies out of your local donut & fast food joints. To get them to respond to where a real crime is they simply wait hours until showing up so they don't have to do anything.

To ask anyone to offer them any credit for doing a crappy job crappily is utter nonsense.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


This may be true but such officers are the exception that proves the rule, so to speak. Power over others is really only sought out for a very small list of reasons, none of them good.
And actually, I'd rather take my chances with the rapists and pedophiles. At least they only view a certain segment of the populace as targets for abuse.