Russian train wreck 'an act of terror'

Well, the article writer seems to state that it was certainly done with explosives as far as they are concerned.

I think information from Russia seems to be a lot better than info from western countries.

If this was done by Georgians - which I seriously doubt, then it would be embarrassing for the US - they certainly would not like such a thing to occur.

They would rather some Russians blow thing up inside Georgia giving the US additional excuses to strengthen control over Georgia.

So, if the Georgians are found to blame - then I would suspect the Russians of doing it. This would give them excuses to impinge on Georgia - they certainly want to move the US out of that area so they can control the pipeline there.

Separatists are unlikely to act in this manner - because they can be identified, and reprisal can be taken against them as groups - so they are unlikely to resort to such measures.

Blaming 'terrorists' is completely disingenuous anyway - the more I hear that word - the more angry I get. It is a method of dehumanizing people who are prepared to die for their cause - and their cause is usually freedom from tyranny and oppression. I don't feel there are ANY terrorists in the world right now except the US forces - everyone else is a freedom fighter.

The fact this was blown up is very interesting, the motive is uncertain, and therefore identifying anyone who might have done it is difficult.

Perhaps it was assassination - but if someone important was killed - it wasn't mentioned.

Curioser - and curioser.

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From The Flu Case

A Russian deputy of the Duma has called for Russia to withdraw from the WHO if an investigation into the alleged collusion between the WHO and pharmaceutical companies on the swine flu scandal proves to be accurate, according to reports in the European media.


Igor Barinov, Member of the Commission of the State Parliament (Duma) in Charge of Corruption, said that there needed to be an investigation into whether experts advising WHO received money from pharmaceutical industry and whether this influenced WHO to declare a pandemic level 6 emergency for the first time in 40 years in spite of the fact that the swine flu is neither lethal nor spreading rapidly.

Curious timing...

The BBC reported this yesterday and gave the same info as in Hellmutts post. I don’t suppose we will hear much out of Russia.

There appears to be some opposition to moving part of Russia’s Government to St Petersburg which is where the train carrying Officials was heading for. I find it interesting that pro-Nazi groups could be involved

However its not the first time this has happened Russian train derailed by 'bomb' 2007 on the same train line!

BBC News -
Russia police issue appeal after blast derails train

This is a very interesting story, and with the current situations between Russia and it's former Soviet era satellite countries, it will be one to definitely keep an eye on.

The Mujahideen of Caucasus...

Islamic website warned that they'd attack Russia "on Friday", two days before Friday's train bombing.


Warning of Russian attack released 2 days prior to train bombing on islamic website

In a November 25th posting on the Kavkaz Center website, a letter from a representative of Russian muslim group, Muwahhidun ar-Rusi, which stated, "Friday is the most blessed day of the week for Muslims. Friday is the weekly holiday for the Muslim Ummah. Therefore we have chosen this day to attack Russia, as a gift for the holiday."

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This letter was published 2 days before the bombing, and also claimed responsibility for attacks at a naval arsenal and a power plant. This group pledged allegiance to Dokka Abu Usman, Emir of Mujahideen of Caucasus, Chechen muslim terrorist group represented by the Kavkaz website. The Mujahideen of Caucasus was responsible for the Moscow Theatre standoff and the September 1, 2004 Russian school standoff which left more than 200 dead, which is described as "funny" on the Kavkaz site.

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People need to remember websites all over the world are saying things like this. The web is a big place.

Do not let people lead you down a path.

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Yup

Here are a few more sources:


Irish Times: Islamist rebels claim train bombing

RIA Novosti: Russian rail blast involved Islamist tactics - investigators

Radio Netherlands: Islamist rebels claim Nevsky Express bombing

RFE/RL: Islamist Militants Claim Responsibility For Deadly Russian Train Bombing

The Associated Press: Chechen rebels claim Russian train bombing

Al Jazeera: Separatists claim train attack

Originally posted by Amagnon I don't feel there are ANY terrorists in the world right now except the US forces - everyone else is a freedom fighter.

what, so those charming people in the Phillipines who recently beheaded dozens of men, women and children are "freedom fighters" just because the US should not be in Afghanistan, wtf

The Nevsky Express was bombed by Dokku Umarov's group on November 27. This article is from November 25, two days before the attack...


Former participant of Dokku Umarov group arrested in Moscow with gun and city map

25.11.2009


The agents of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) detained the 26 y.o. Ingush Ruslan Ozniyev in a hostel of the Russian Peoples Friendship University (RUDN) and withdraw from him trotyl, Makarov’s pistol, some ammunition and a map of Moscow. Certain marks have been made on the map which the FSB has counted as sites of planned acts of terrorism, online paper NEWSru reports.

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In Moscow Ozniyev rented a room in the university hostel. He reportedly met a certain Chechen there who transferred to him the weapon, explosive, detonators, a wig and glasses. According to the FSB, Ozniyev had to hide all this in a park near the hostel and wait for new instructions from insurgents.

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So is this a case where the law enforcement or its' counter-terrorism component had the information and failed to act?

Great job with the investigative effort!

Originally posted by Maxmars
I always find it most interesting when an undeclared act of terrorism is identified.

How can it be terrorism? To what end?

Perhaps it was just a crime. They still have those in the world right? Or is everything now terror?

Crossing the line between crime and terrorism, to me it is still blurry. When you kill a person, crime or terrorism? When you kill 20 people crime or terrorism? The University massicar, crime or terrorism? Suicide bombings crime or terrorism?

Let's add some more variables shall we? Like let's say mentally unsable. Crime, terrorism or mentally unstable/retarded.

More? Let's add revenge? Can revenge be categorized as terrorism, crime or both, or even none?

Depends on situation, condition, known and unknown variables I suppose. So who the f@ck are we to decide who is a terrorist, a criminal? I can understand laws, but labeling people (based on assumptions) just pisses me off.

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To me, it looks like they knew that something was about to happen, but that they failed to identify the target. The arrest and the message on the Kavkaz website should've made them aware that an attack by Dokku Umarov's group on Russia was likely on Friday, but they probably didn't identify the Nevsky Express as the target. Or at least they failed to prevent it. Maybe there were other targets too, but that something prevented those targets from being attacked? Mr. Ozniyev seems to have been ready to participate somehow in some kind of terror attack by this group, either the Nevsky Express or another target.



Btw, some related history (Wikipedia) :

Beslan school hostage crisis

Moscow theater hostage crisis

Nice job Hellmutt! I have to say I'm less than convinced by these reports however.
Surely, if your intention is to perpetrate terrorism by blowing up a train, you bomb the track right in front of it, or under the 1st carriages, so that the whole thing is derailed, the carriages pile into & on top of each other, etc? If tho, your plan is to assassinate the Chairman of the Russian Fed & blame it on terrorists, but you have qualms about needlessly killing a whole train full of people, then you bomb only the last 1st class part, where you know your victim will be, right?
Does anyone know what this chairman's attitude towards Medvedev's "International Currency" was?