Proof of Radical Islam's True Agenda

Originally posted by ForAiur
Because We Are Jews

Delivered by Rabbi Mordechi Weberman under the auspices of the Palestine Right of Return Coalition (Al-Awda NY/NJ), at the march in front of the “Israeli” Consulate, on Friday July 26, 2002

This is a speech made by some nobody rabbi over 7 years ago. You took 2 full messages to post it all.

Should I post 200 messages with imams making inflammatory speeches telling his flock it's their duty to kill Jews?

What exactly are you trying to say?

One sentence will do.

Jjay, I am not defending Islam. I've had it with the various belief systems of the monkey tribe. They are all manipulated to the hilt for a good reason. However, what I see in some posters here is prejudice disregarding existing political and economic realities. And living in Eastern Europe, and having lived with coloured folks in the US I can see where this can lead.

Your posts are intriguing, you claim deep knowledge of the subject, but it would help if you were more informative. Can you explain the points raised independently of the Dutch movie - and also provide a historical explanation as to why America was not attacked by Moslem hordes in earlier centuries? Surely if the French and the Spanish had ways to attack Anglo whites and vice versa, Moslem nations could have taken part.
Why there has never been a battle for London with Moslems?

I happen to have a nutcase relative who always seeks Arabs under the bed and reads Sean Hannity... and Rush... watching Fox News etc. that says it all.

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by IamLael

 

so it is your opinion that every last muslim on earth wants to kill the non believers?

now that's bigotry

What I have heard about islam,they are to enslave or kill non- muslims.
They are taught,from birth,that non- muslims are kuffar,to be treated the
same way as cattle.
If the muslims claim they are peaceful,they have a strange way of showing
it!Peaceful people don't strap bombs to their bodies.Peaceful people don't
use women and children as cannon fodder.Peaceful people don't bomb
busses and trains.Peaceful people don't fly planes into buildings!
So,if their religion is a peaceful one,they had better start proving it!Pictures
and videos are more convincing of their nature than speeches.
Meaning...practice what you preach!

Originally posted by Kokatsi
Jjay, I am not defending Islam.

Your posts are intriguing, you claim deep knowledge of the subject, but it would help if you were more informative. Can you explain the points raised independently of the Dutch movie - and also provide a historical explanation as to why America was not attacked by Moslem hordes in earlier centuries? Surely if the French and the Spanish had ways to attack Anglo whites and vice versa, Moslem nations could have taken part.
Why there has never been a battle for London with Moslems?

I happen to have a nutcase relative who always seeks Arabs under the bed and reads Sean Hannity... and Rush... watching Fox News etc. that says it all.

Maybe your nutcase relative says the same thing about you. But you probably can't see that point of view, eh?
Cherry picking history does not give answers that you seek. Living in the moment will allow clear vision if you really want to see. Fitna is simple, very basic facts that are a glimpse of what is around you... outside the cozy bubble.
Many of us on this thread know the 7 phase plan, we have seen it unfold and know what the future holds. Then there are those in denial who will fuss the loudest and fall back into patterns that keep them there.
So no, I will not answer irrelevant questions. Live in the present.
Good luck to you.

Originally posted by mamabeth
What I have heard about islam,they are to enslave or kill non- muslims.
They are taught,from birth,that non- muslims are kuffar,to be treated the
same way as cattle.
If the muslims claim they are peaceful,they have a strange way of showing
it!Peaceful people don't strap bombs to their bodies.Peaceful people don't
use women and children as cannon fodder.Peaceful people don't bomb
busses and trains.Peaceful people don't fly planes into buildings!
So,if their religion is a peaceful one,they had better start proving it!Pictures
and videos are more convincing of their nature than speeches.
Meaning...practice what you preach!

Exactly!
And you aren't a bigot or racist.
God Bless you!

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by mamabeth
What I have heard about islam,they are to enslave or kill non- muslims.
They are taught,from birth,that non- muslims are kuffar,to be treated the
same way as cattle.
If the muslims claim they are peaceful,they have a strange way of showing
it!Peaceful people don't strap bombs to their bodies.Peaceful people don't
use women and children as cannon fodder.Peaceful people don't bomb
busses and trains.Peaceful people don't fly planes into buildings!
So,if their religion is a peaceful one,they had better start proving it!Pictures
and videos are more convincing of their nature than speeches.
Meaning...practice what you preach!

Exactly!
And you aren't a bigot or racist.
God Bless you!

And Mamabeth's post is why I started this thread to begin with. I copied this from my post on page one because I think its gotten overlooked in all this discussion. My DIRECT experience with someone willing to kill his own children for Allah changed my perspective on this topic forever.

Let me tell you about an experience I had. About 1987 I flew to D.C. on business. I've always found the D.C. cabbies from the third world really conversant on world events and politics. The cabbie I had on this trip topped them all. We got into a pretty interesting conversation---one that in ten years straight traveling for work I never forgot. He was from the middle east--which country I don't remember. But he was a really educated guy, very articulate. He explained that his degrees (psych and math) weren't recognized in the U.S. so he was driving a cab and going to school at night. He was married to an American and they had 3 kids. Seemed like a good guy. Until we got to talking about the Muslim world view versus the Christian world view. Remember, this was years before 9-11.

Long conversation short, he explained that the reason evil exists on the planet is because of Western culture which is abhorrent to Allah. He explained that the SOURCE of evil is basically US!! So, the reason someone commits a murder in Morocco is because YOU EXIST HERE. Did you get that?

So, when I really understood that he was saying that to rid the planet of evil, the West must be destroyed, I asked him about his family. After all, he was living in the U.S. and married to an American. His response was something I never forgot. He said that EVEN IF IT MEANT THAT HIS FAMILY HAD TO DIE, IT WOULD BE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE PLANET. He and his family would be doing God a favor.

He was a nice guy, he wasn't in any way hostile toward me--quite the contrary. We had a very frank, open conversation in which I presented the Christian view of evil/sin that its something we're born with. He views the sin/evil issue as a result of OUR PRESENCE contaminating the planet.

The planet will be healed when we die and the memory of us is purged from the earth.

Did you get that?

We must wake up to what's happening.

Originally posted by IamLael
So, when I really understood that he was saying that to rid the planet of evil, the West must be destroyed, I asked him about his family. After all, he was living in the U.S. and married to an American. His response was something I never forgot. He said that EVEN IF IT MEANT THAT HIS FAMILY HAD TO DIE, IT WOULD BE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE PLANET. He and his family would be doing God a favor.

Exactly! Muslims are telling us directly and we still deny that could possibly be true. Why? Because when we don't understand a culture we think they are less than we are and thus a victim. Contrary to that, they do want to kill us. Period. Very simple.

Most Americans are dumb. Us being dumb only fuels Islam more to want to kill us. If America could collectively say, yes Islam wants to kill us, then we would be one step closer to being safe. That hurdle is going to be a large one.

Islamic countries are peaceful in a prison system sort of way.

Just don't look at other women, make sure they are covered up and don't kiss in public. When you are caught raping them, make sure you don't have 4 witnesses watching.

Then make sure if you see a Muslim become a Christian he gets equal and fair treatment and society treats him like a special minority that needs special attention. Like send him and his family to prison.

Anything non Islamic is worthy of destruction, especially if it historically proves Islam wrong or something predades it.

Block all religious sites that even Christians and Jews find Holy so only Muslims can visit it.

Freedom of speech, if anyone critises Islam riot and burn more churches down along the way.

Of course it is peaceful as long as thinking is about Islam only and everyone follows the Order of complete Islam in every corner of your life, as long as they are happy deep down and not suicidle about it.

reply to post by The time lord

Well we could probably come up with a better word than "peaceful" to describe all that. But since we have to be politically correct let's just call them peaceful. No wait, I'm not going to take it anymore. I'm not going to be politically correct because... I don't have to... I have free speech and I can honestly say that Islam is not peaceful. Islam is f'ed up. Honesty is better than politically correct.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by The time lord

 

Well we could probably come up with a better word than "peaceful" to describe all that. But since we have to be politically correct let's just call them peaceful. No wait, I'm not going to take it anymore. I'm not going to be politically correct because... I don't have to... I have free speech and I can honestly say that Islam is not peaceful. Islam is f'ed up. Honesty is better than politically correct.

FYI Muslims don't believe in "turn the other cheek."

Neither do Jews.

Jjay,

I have not come off the wallpaper suddenly. You seem to become delieberately ironic and abusive. I have lived in a few worlds already, spoeak a few languages and read a few thousand books. Wrote a few myself.

Your refusal to state your "seven step plan" is simple: you cannot ansswer with arguments. Of course I do not live in your ideological bubble. Hannity etc. are warning signs of political schizophrenia to me. I already knew Rush had been a possessed drug addict with MPD when I first heard his voice in 1990. He has not become any better. It has been obvious to me for over twenty years that whenever guys like him say something, probably the opposite is true (but not always). Besides he looks quite like Leonid Brezhnew.

My relative is a hospital-proof borderline with paranoid ideation. She could not survive on her own but she lectures me constantly about the moral superiority of capitalism. It has been 12 years she is supported by a well-to-do person... otherwise she would be on the street.

And as for me, I am staunchly American, but I have been totally disillusioned of Western right wing rhetoric ever since I saw Ronald Reagan's first kingdom... So it has been an old story. Tell me more about what you know of Islam but not on 911 please. That won't work.

I do not buy fascism. It is that simple. Maybe I will miss out on the glorious
battle against Islam. You could have done a better job of trying to convince me and people who think like me. I can be convinced, the proof is here in this thread. (Read on the Ashkenazim).

"Fitna" starts out with a ridiculous assertion - 911 and Madrid done by Muslim terrorists? Who on earth still buys that? This movie is unfortunately unwatchable for people who do not subscribe to the radical right-wing views of radical bushists. It starts with 911....?? Come on... you have to do better than that.

Didn't Cheney have a small but insignificant part in 911? Don't the makers know some of the "hijackers" are ordinary Arab Americans with a stolen passport? Hasn't the filmmaker heard these stories? Or do they get their info from Murdoch's Prawda? If so, let only 1984 Party Members wallow over their great work. It is an insult of the intelligence of every American who is not a bootlicker of this succession of increasingly fascist (but more and more impotent) regimes. I got news for the radical muslims.

The West does not have to be destroyed.

Ever since we allowed this right-wing racist political cancer to grow upon us, in the leading countries of the West, it has already been destroyed... in heart and soul. And now in economy too.

They can stop their bombing. It is useless. The West will destroy itself as a cultural unit. It already has.

The Enlightenment period was a result of the import of both Muslim and Jewish ideas.

The simple truth is the Muslims are not the ones responsible for the downfall of America.

With the amount of tax money we spent bailing out the rich, we could have turned the state of our economy around.

[edit - error]...an agenda of making Muslims look like the enemy when the real enemy is the hijackers of the Constitution -- which DOES allow freedom of religion if I remember correctly.

The national socialist fascists are the real enemies of the Constitution.

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reply to post by Kokatsi

I suggest you check yourself into the hospital in a room next to her.
Have a nice day.

Originally posted by ForAiur
The national socialist fascists are the real enemies of the Constitution.

Tell that to the guy with the knife that cuts your head off in the name of Islam. I prefer to realize the real enemies who will take life away in the name of Islam.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by ForAiur
The national socialist fascists are the real enemies of the Constitution.

Tell that to the guy with the knife that cuts your head off in the name of Islam. I prefer to realize the real enemies who will take life away in the name of Islam.

So you don't think the National Socialist Fascists are an enemy of the Constitution.

That says a lot about you. Explains some of your anti-Semitism, too.

Originally posted by ForAiur

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by ForAiur
The national socialist fascists are the real enemies of the Constitution.

Tell that to the guy with the knife that cuts your head off in the name of Islam. I prefer to realize the real enemies who will take life away in the name of Islam.

So you don't think the National Socialist Fascists are an enemy of the Constitution.

That says a lot about you. Explains some of your anti-Semitism, too.

Oh good one, call me a name and that justifies your opinions. yeah.

This thread is about Islam and their true agenda.
As for enemies, I know Islam is an enemy, they have declared it openly and clearly and I got the message. Apparently you were left out of the memo. Maybe next time you can be closer to their target so you can see it for yourself.

Originally posted by IamLael
reply to post by conspiracyrus

 

No, that's not my position at all.

Radical muslims, however, are truly out to DESTROY the West. That is a fact. They don't want to become Dutch, British or American. They want THEIR ways to DOMINATE the countries they are living in.

If the West wants to continue to survive, we must get RADICAL Islam's agenda.

Well I haven't watched the video b ut will, but ask Europeans about this, this is old news to them. They have Sharia Courts in Europe now. The non- muslims have to be careful not to cross the wrong street and enter a muslim community.

They want to leave the totalitarian world they live in, immigrate, then turn that new country into a mock-up of home. It can only be that their aim is to dominate the world. They aren't immigrating to escape the way of life they know, they immigrate to spread the way of life they know.

If I were king, not one more muslim would enter US territory, and all who are not now citizens would have about 30 days to figure out which middle east country they wish to be deported to (hey I'm fair I know it takes a few days to wrap up the loose ends).




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reply to post by Kokatsi


Argumentation fallacy alert - Verbiosity without any basis in effect.

Originally posted by ForAiur
The Enlightenment period was a result of the import of both Muslim and Jewish ideas.

The simple truth is the Muslims are not the ones responsible for the downfall of America.

With the amount of tax money we spent bailing out the rich, we could have turned the state of our economy around.

[edit - error]...an agenda of making Muslims look like the enemy when the real enemy is the hijackers of the Constitution -- which DOES allow freedom of religion if I remember correctly.

The national socialist fascists are the real enemies of the Constitution.

[edit on 1-12-2009 by ForAiur]

Who said Islam was? There isn't enough of them in the West yet for that to be the case.

All extremists and fundamentalists of all stripes are the enemies of any form of human mediation based on the acceptance of individuality and the limitiations of the group.

There will be a problem with Islam when there is enough of them in the West, unless some way can be found to have them as a group adopt Human Rights -- Real not Koran based -- human rights as their own.

However, in the mean time it is intentional blindness to deny that there is a significant majority of Islam that specifically detests, and intends to dominate - and it suffering from a defeat sense of entitlement to that domination - because it is THEIR place to do so. You are out of your correct, and divinely intended, place.

Their view is that peace is attained through submission to Allah. Theirs, and YOURS. When you are submissive, peace will be achieved. That's not *MY* view. It is the dominant view of the Islamic nations. This is the only way to achieve peace. Other options are not acceptable.

You'll notice no one argues my points here. Quite simply because, you cannot. What I am saying is not my words - it is the predominant thought of all Islam, most Imams, most Mullahs. The name of the religion itself lends itself to this understanding - it is what Islam MEANS.

Now to head of the inevitable - but the Christians - blah blah blah.....

Again, there is a qualitative difference between

"Peace and happiness is attained through the acceptance of Jesus. You will be honoured by witnessing and bringing this word to all"

And

"You will submit to Allah in all aspects of your life and governance, which has been laid out for you in specific detail in my manual to Mohammed. Peace will only happen when all people submit to Allah, and it is your job to bring this about. If you can do it by words, then do so. But if you do it by force, you are equally honoured. Allah understands, and the end justifies the means."

COULD Islam become something different? Christianity did, and Judaism has worn off most of its edges over time. So it is possible. However, ignoring what they ARE in favour of what they COULD be is as ridiculous as the woman who marries the homelss genius because he has "potential." Sure you might turn out to be right - but it ain't damn likely.

Oh, but just in case you need some back up review link. This is merely one example "in their own words." But it is sufficient to give one a perusal of the sentiments that back up exactly what I have said.

Under the very moderate sounding words, the actual message is not lovely to one who enjoys their non-Muslim, non-submitting, Human Rights, voting, equality, common-law and modern justice based society.

You'll also notice that it addresses the concept of the "inner struggle" concept of Jihad. Jihad sure does mean that. It doesn't mean ONLY that, but it is encompassed in the total concept.

Jihad

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