Satanist? A few questions for you.

First of all let me introduce myself. I am a ortodox christian by birth, but spent some time getting to know the other christian denominations. Then i stumbled upon a few satanists, I consider them a christian denomination also because no other religion has something similar and the the same scale.

I have a few questions I want answers to:

1. You do realize that by believing in Satan you also believe in God right?

2. Wasn't Lucifer cast out of Heaven for hating people and you are people ?

3. What do you expect to do when you die? I mean you only write a few words on forums, draw pentagrams and stuff like that... I think a killer will outrank you anyway.

4. Your depictions on Lucifer make him look ugly, when I consider he should look like an angel.

5. You do realize Lucifer doesn't really care what you do, just like God doesn't ... if you don't sell your soul you might just go to heaven, If you do sell your soul, you are demon food ... Lucifer hates people and may hate stupid people more.

6. Lucifer was just an angel and he was defeated before, God didn't even bother to kill him ... why would he win considering there are thought to be hundreds of angels and maybe a dozen archangels.

7. Did you realize that again Lucifer hates people not animals. You kill animals to prove how good you are ... maybe he loves them?

8. Some of your rituals were also used by christian people long ago and you might just be honoring the wrong side?

9.Lucifer may need your soul just to destroy it ?

Don't believe all you see on the internet, I have friends, real gypsy friends that played with black magic ... they aren't doing so good now. I don't believe in organized religion anyway, but I need to understand why you chose Satan.

grrr.... posted in the wrong place moderator please move when you have the time.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by randel]

Satan is a creation of monetheistic religions in response to the polytheistic religions around when they were forming. They branded all the "pagan" gods as evil so as to scare people into converting to their new religion, in order to gain control and over time, they all blended into one being, Satan.

Thus, Satan and God are man made fictitious fairy tales, used to control stupid people.

There are two kinds of Satanists...

The Satanists that pretty much don't exist, the ones the media told you about, the ones that eat children, sacrifice animals, etc , etc ( The Deist Satanists)..

.. And then there the other kind of Satanists... The Church of Satan - They are Atheist, they don't believe in demons, red guy, etc.. they just believe in the ideals of the Anti-God .. also they are pretty cool people..

- I Reckon you need to do some more research .. don't eat the Evangelical propaganda..

[edit on 27-11-2009 by Polynomial C]

Satan and christianity god are manufactured protagonists and antagonists created by *Insert entity or entities* to deceive the world and create a never ending cycle of hatred/fear and separation amongst humans.

This fulfill the meaning of divide and conquer.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by GrandKitaro777]

reply to post by randel


I'm not a satanist.. but I do have a few questions for you?

1. Do you think that this has been asked before on ATS? If so, how many times do you think people have asked this?

2. Do you feel like you have a special message?

3. If you think you do, does your message make you feel special?

4. What if I told you, that nothing you say is special, glorious, or wonderful? Would that make you feel sad, confused, upset, angry?


Lets move onto some more religious based questions. I'll play devil's advocate on this one.

5. Why did Lucifer rebel. Why was God's creation something that made him unhappy that he wanted to change?

6. In rebelling, did Lucifer not choose freedom over a tyranical rule where he was assured eternal life? Think about this one. If you had the choice between fighting a leader that you believed to be opressive and living silently, obediently under his rule, what would you do? Would you rebel, and chose your own pride, your own dignity, your own freedom, or would you wallow in the mud?

7. What if the being you call God, was the one who was evil? What if he lied right to your face and compelled you to hate someone that actually wanted to help you. What if you mindlessly instilled your trust in the wrong being, and that being actually wanted to hurt you?

I don't believe in Satan myself, I know a few TV satanists, or internet satanists and they actually believe all the nonsense.

I was hoping for some answers for curiosity, you can be smart and believe in God or Satan, I don't know why ... I am a kind of japanese Karma sort of person, things happen because it is impossible for them not to happen. Tolstoy said it best in War and Peace.

Don't get me wrong I also have a problem with priests, at least in my country ( the state pays them, but only the ortodox ones).

I don't want to go to Hell because I am sick and tired of priests and most of them will be there.

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I don't really care what others have asked ... I want to know, not to criticize. I hate all religions equally.

I don't care about replies and stuff, but you do care about posts... I want just a few good answers. The satanist I met were TV satanists and useless, but some people choose Satan even after they turn 30.

You did give me a few valid answers, just not to the questions I was asking. If you have a problem with the topic you could have ignored it, the thread name asks for Satanists to answer not everyone.

When you ask a christian that is going to war to defend his country if he believes in God he will say yes and then go kill people. That is 1000 times more stupid then to believe in Satan.

There are many kinds of Satanists, and even within the subset of theistic Satanists, there are widely differing beliefs.

So it would depend what kind of Satanist you would be wishing to talk to.

I am a Satanist, but none of those questions apply to me because you are using the wrong mythos. Try going back further, to Sumeria, and then we can talk

Originally posted by randel
9.Lucifer may need your soul just to destroy it ?

I doubt it. Your soul contains all the knowledge you have gained during your many lifetimes. Knowledge is what Dark entities crave, because knowledge is power. Satan would never destroy a source of knowledge, just like a junkie wouldn't destroy a hit of heroin.

I could never be a Satanist. I just can't stand nu-metal and I don't think I'd look good with eyeliner.

Also, I only reserve cutting myself to when I shave my face badly.

They're right you cant put every kind in one basket, many different kinds with different beliefs.

Satanism no matter which kind is about selfishness and greed, and taking as much self-pleasure in this life time as possible.

And then there are those like the Luciferian Front who desperately try to convince people that demons are actually aliens, so its somehow okay to worship them... the hell it is, why would an alien demand worship?

Originally posted by Ridhya

Satanism no matter which kind is about selfishness and greed, and taking as much self-pleasure in this life time as possible.

You are wrong.
That is a blanket statement, and it is incorrect.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by randel
9.Lucifer may need your soul just to destroy it ?

I doubt it. Your soul contains all the knowledge you have gained during your many lifetimes. Knowledge is what Dark entities crave, because knowledge is power. Satan would never destroy a source of knowledge, just like a junkie wouldn't destroy a hit of heroin.

This is incorrect, too.
How long do you think these "dark entities" have been around?
Longer than your many lifetimes.
Do you really think it is about knowledge?
Or, could it be about something else entirely?

We live in a world defined by polar opposites in which it seems a defining point on the scales has you on one side or the other.

There is up or down, and left or right, black or white, day or knight, man or woman, gay or straight, love or hate, peace or war, democrat or republican, conservative or liberal, and heaven or hell.

It’s always one or the other on this planet?

So if what ever religion you follow tells you that you are not presently in heaven…

That would though dictate through black and white logic you are in hell.

Welcome…I take it you are new around here. In time we will help you learn just what it is that brought you to this place and what you previously did that necessitated that. Naughty, naughty!

Don’t you worry take a good look around, and take your time getting acclimated no hurry, as we like to say around here sooner or later we will get to the bottom of it.

Cheers!

reply to post by DaisyAnne


And I quote:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

All to do with selfishness (ego-pandering) instead of selflessness. That does not say greed to you..?

Originally posted by Ridhya
reply to post by DaisyAnne

 

And I quote:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

All to do with selfishness (ego-pandering) instead of selflessness. That does not say greed to you..?

If a Buddhist desires Nirvana, because all existence is suffering, or enlightenment, because the root of evil is desire...these are yet also selfish self-pandering pet-my-panda desires.
It is actually quite difficult to avoid selfishness...you just end up with some rationalized, sublimated, less-enjoyable version of the selfish desires you came in with. You might as well just relax, and do what you want, some say (=one of the satanic positions)...If you want something lousy or self-contradictory, through doing it right away you can figure out the problem and progress...I forget which one of them famous rabbis (but it was a famous one) said "The reformed sinner stands in a place which the righteous cannot attain."...along those lines...

I'm not a satanist.. but I do have a few questions for you?
Lets move onto some more religious based questions. I'll play devil's advocate on this one.
6. In rebelling, did Lucifer not choose freedom over a tyranical rule where he was assured eternal life? Think about this one. If you had the choice between fighting a leader that you believed to be opressive and living silently, obediently under his rule, what would you do? Would you rebel, and chose your own pride, your own dignity, your own freedom, or would you wallow in the mud?

I'm new here (this is my first reply) and these are good questions. I would like to add some to the list if you don't mind.

OK, #6:
"In rebelling, did Lucifer not choose freedom over a tyrannical rule where he was assured eternal life?"
The key word here is "choose". Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Satan was an angel that chose to go bad, yes? From what I understand, angels do not have free will. If they did have free will, they would be human, yes? So how could Satan choose to rebel against God and he can't choose anything?

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reply to post by DaisyAnne


I will look into this ... never actually thought there are real differences between satanists. All christian denominations are almost the same they all see God the same, mostly worshiping is different.

I'll look you up when i have some pertinent questions.

Eurotrash, some confusion here comes form the fact that the three Abrahamic religions have completely different views on Satan which I will describe.

Judaism: Satan is a loyal angel and was never evil. Like Michael, he has a job that is sometimes unpleasant, but there is no story in Judaism of Satan every betraying or competing with God. They consider the idea that he "fell" nonsense and it is not part of their religion.

Christianity: Angels have free will and many of them rebelled, their leader being Satan.

Islam: Angels have no free will and are all obedient. Jin have free will like humans and can choose to obey god or rebel. Satan was a particular Jin who refused to submit to god.

Back on topic: Most theistic Satanists do not believe in the bible and worship Satan as a positive free thinker archetype and not the source of evil. They may identify Satan with multiple figures such as Set, the Roman god Lucifer, Enki, Prometheus etc. So largely, Satanists are atheists or do not worship the biblical Satan at all. Nice job at picking the worst name ever guys.

Interesting topic and lots of intelligent replies! I find that lots of "free-thinker contrarian types" investigate Satanism at some point in their seeking. Usually people who see themselves as wolves rather than sheep. And its more "metal" than run-of the mill Paganism, I guess. I'm attracted to studying shamanism/earth medicine and I realize that many people consider this to a short step away from Satanism; see how a traditional Native American ceremonial site in Wyoming was re-named "Devil's Tower" .

In my personal experience, I see people investigating paths such as this when they feel cast out of mainstream religious denominations, usually for transgressive sexual reasons of some sort (I'm not judging here). What sometimes worries me about Satanism (and Paganism too!) is the potential for unnecessary violence or chaos, when misguided people dabble in it for superficial /hostile reasons.