UFO-obsessed man 'hacked into NASA'

UFO-obsessed man 'hacked into NASA'

www.heraldsun.com.au

A Briton accused of hacking into US military and NASA computers faces extradition to the United States after the British Government overnight rejected last-ditch requests to block the move.
Home Secretary Alan Johnson decided not to intervene in Gary McKinnon's case, saying he had concluded that his extradition to the United States would not breach his human rights.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah...

We all know the McKinnon saga and it has gone on and on...

So, here's the next step! He's off to the USA! Wooo hooo!!! What a day for friggin stupid decisions to rule the world!

His alleged 'crime' was on British soil, he should not have to face being sent to the USA. It defies logic and sets a stupid precedent about where the location of the alleged 'crime' took place.

Cyberspace is not physical real-estate.

He can look forward to his human rights being taken care of by the USA.

www.heraldsun.com.au
(visit the link for the full news article)

Not so bothered about this guys supposed Human Rights, wether he is an Aspergers sufferer or not, he seems cognitive to me and he committed a crime, regardless of what he was "intending" to look for and what he actually did.

What bothers me and most I speak to about this is the blatant one-sided treatment Britain gets off the back of this extradition treaty. The US has to provide little evidence to extradite someone from the UK, just an accusation basically. Whereas the UK must provide an insurmountable burden of proof to even get an extradition hearing for a US citizen wanted for alleged crimes.

Another example of this "special relationship" is anything but.

Originally posted by stumason
Not so bothered about this guys supposed Human Rights, wether he is an Aspergers sufferer or not, he seems cognitive to me and he committed a crime, regardless of what he was "intending" to look for and what he actually did.

What bothers me and most I speak to about this is the blatant one-sided treatment Britain gets off the back of this extradition treaty. The US has to provide little evidence to extradite someone from the UK, just an accusation basically. Whereas the UK must provide an insurmountable burden of proof to even get an extradition hearing for a US citizen wanted for alleged crimes.

Another example of this "special relationship" is anything but.

Blame the UK government. Also, I'd like to say that I am grateful on this day for Gary McKinnon.

Originally posted by tezzajw
His alleged 'crime' was on British soil, he should not have to face being sent to the USA.

I really do hope that a nigerian scammer steals all your money, I really do. Why would people be allowed to commit crimes outside a given country and get away with it?

IMO the crime he is accused of is a dumb one, nevertheless is still a crime. My only whish is the US, and all other countries that can, followed similar steps agaisnt international scammers and such which are far more dangerous that this individual.

EDIT: Wow, that's one stupid word filter. How is a nationality an insult?

[edit on 26-11-2009 by daniel_g]

McKinnon was wanted in the US on five offences of "fraud and related activity on government computers"

this alone is a federal offense which is subject to extradition to the country the crime occured in,
meaning that because they were US government property, and they were in the USA, he could be extradited under international treaties and laws.

I'm starting to think this case has a lot more too it, yeah I know here we go about the Disclosure thing.

But think about it for a moment, if he really does have something up his sleeve, meaning that he can use in his defense, something which could be called into evidence by a judge, something he managed to get a hard copy of, then it could end up either embarrassing the US Government, or opening a can of worms they would have killed to keep closed not so long ago.

Perhaps this is part of a plan drawn up long ago to open that can of worms? to get the headlines needed to get questions asked, and to force information into the open.

It's obvious crime or not, this case has gone way over the top on both sides of the pond, I ask why? why is it so important to bring all this into the open, when they could have made a deal, put him on trial in the UK, and had him put in prison without the headlines that are going to appear in the USA, which up to now has been small if that articles on pages inside, this could bring it onto the front page, why?

And don't tell me it's about justice, for two years now the CIA and other agencies have fought tooth and nail to cover other details from going public, yet they seem determined to keep fanning the flames under this small spark, it seems weird to me, this could have been dealt with and gone away years ago, two Administrations and the same push.

Does nobody else find this strange?

I hope the rumors are true, and he does have something to pull from his hat, he has even hinted himself when asked, does he have anything he could use to embarrass the US Government, and he said he wouldn't tell them if he had.

This is not about sending a message to hackers, this seems a lot more to me.

Originally posted by azzllin
And don't tell me it's about justice,

In my opinion, you are correct. Whoever is pulling the strings here cares nothing about so called 'justice'.

Originally posted by azzllin
I hope the rumors are true, and he does have something to pull from his hat,

I don't think that's the case, unfortunately. I have a feeling that they want him as a pin-up boy to show the world what they will do to hackers. Gary is an easy target to acquire, so to speak. The Brits were always going to roll over and let him be kidnapped from his homeland.

I don't care if it's defined to be 'legal'. It's wrong. His alleged 'cybercrime' was committed when he was on his home British soil.

Well in all honesty it can't be sending to much of a message seeing as that climate change data got hacked the other week...

Big up the hackers !!!! Keep doing what you do best.....

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Stupid precedent indeed!

Now all of you that download copyrighted material may be extradited to the victim nation/state.

Yay! World government is finally here!

What annoys me is he didn't really hack into the computers, from his account they were practically wide open. The hardest thing he had to do was type in a default password, which was most likely password or admin. How can he be blamed for a lack of any real security? These agencies and companies should be prosecuted for such gross negligence.

But think about it for a moment, if he really does have something up his sleeve, meaning that he can use in his defense, something which could be called into evidence by a judge, something he managed to get a hard copy of, then it could end up either embarrassing the US Government, or opening a can of worms they would have killed to keep closed not so long ago.

I'm certain that if that be the case, it would be rejected by the court in the name of National Security, or some other interpretation that disallows submittal of any evidence for the defense.

It's like a vendetta. Bog brother gonna make an example of him if for nothing else, caustic revenge for exposing the lack of security surrounding these highly sensitive materials, whether real or virtual, his ass is Big brother's.

Typo

[edit on 27-11-2009 by imd12c4funn]