Have you ever met or knew anyone, you think was pure evil, and actually wanted to be evil?

I knew a man who I would now say was evil. He was a punisher to his children and would think nothing of shaving the head of a 5 year old for doing something naughty. He used everyone around him and at the same time they worshipped him, looked up to him and would do whatever he asked. He hated everyone, physically and psycologically beat his wife into the hospital on many occasions and even used his children ( Due to their small size) to help him break into others property.

Evil does exist in a person. I went to his funeral, it was a good day.

Respects

Yes, regrettfully, I have known two "people" in my life whom I consider to be inherently evil. Perhaps even E-VILE. I think they both lacked that little spark of light that defines us as human. Both were inhumane as children, and it got worse after that. One of them is dead, and I'm not a bit sorry he is gone. The other is in jail, and I pray that he stays there.

It almost feels wrong to characterize the two as "he". IT seems more appropriate. Both had NO regard for any living thing. I believe they enjoyed killing, and even more, enjoyed administering agonizing pain.

They were broken creatures, and in a time before this one, would have probably been sanctioned more quickly than they were. Ugh. Bad memories. What am I doing here in this thread?

Originally posted by Dumbass
Later I recognized "good" in "evil" and "evil" in "good". For me its clear that if someone pronounces that he/she/it wants to kill and hurt people it is not clear what that possible victims could or would do without being harmed.

You raise an interesting question.

Suppose there's a bully, or group of bullies, who harass and abuse and torment you on a continuous basis.

And this constant pattern of abuse naturally causes you to hate them and you begin to wish harm upon them, and you start imagining what it would be like to retaliate against them and kill them.

Now is that "evil"? Or, is it the bullies who are evil?

If you retaliate against a bully who is clearly evil and takes pleasure in abusing and tormenting other people, is that in itself Evil - or is it Justice?

reply to post by MajorDisaster


For me, you should not do anything, confronting them is one thing, and telling them to f off, but doing something to them is another.

I know alot here are saying they know evil, but do you know that they are doing evil on purpose, for doing evil, or is it they are rationalising it as good, like how police, destroy innocent lifes and try to say they are doing good.

I am just sure that people do intentionally do evil, and they know it is, and love to do it.

Thinking about doing something is something we all do, but most do not do anything, but it seems to me that there are alot of people, that just do evil, because they want to do it, and they enjoy the pleasure it gives them.

For anyone who has not listened to the radio show, on my first thread, listen to it, its only a hour or two, and listen to the hate. Not sure if she is telling teh truth or not, but if she is, that is some hate, and the women thinks nothing of destroying anything that is good.

All i say is if that is what is in your american government, no wonder there is never any peace in america.

Evil is a matter of perception. I guess depending on the culture/religion you belong to, or your family background can really determine what you see as evil.

Originally posted by MajorDisaster


If you retaliate against a bully who is clearly evil and takes pleasure in abusing and tormenting other people, is that in itself Evil - or is it Justice?

I think justice is just another word to justify "evil" How can you be different if you do the same?

reply to post by Dumbass


Well that's easy as it's not the same. The action may be, but not the intention. For someone to do evil knowingly with no regrets, deserves to be put in his/her place. If someone does so, they are not the same, as they may not do it to an innocent person.

innocent in the eye of the beholder yes. justice in the eye of the beholder yes. Doing knowingly evil just for the case of evil is rare. Mostly it is for selfsatisfaction or to gain something and, so, why should you be aware of the victims point of view when it is mostly concerning yourself.

Yes I have seen evil.

Back in either 1968 or 1969 I dropped my sister and 2 of her friends off to ride horses for a couple hours. I waited in my car ('64 1/2 Mustang, a 260 w/ a 3 speed stick) while my sister and her friends were renting the horses. Standing a the corner of an old set at the Spawn Movie Ranch in Santa Susana pass was this scruffy little guy, long haired and dirty.

As I sat in my car, this little guy walks over to the girls talking with my sister and her friends. After a quick conversation, my sister waves me over towards her and as I drive up, she and her friends quickly jump in the car and said "Get us out of here. That guy gave us the creeps". I hit the accelerator and got the heck out of Dodge, dirt and dust flying.

My sister didn't know who they were and never went back. They were plenty scared.

Within a year, everyone knew.

The little guy was Charles Manson and the ones talking with my sis were some of his girls, and that's no bull.

If he does not represent evil, I don't know who does.

Originally posted by Dumbass
I think justice is just another word to justify "evil" How can you be different if you do the same?

Good point. And I don't enjoy fighting or doing evil at all. But there are some people who leave you with no other choice but to fight.

Just got stalked and threatened again tonight, BTW. But one big biker armed with a cell phone isn't exactly scary, sorry. Already been in much scarier situations.

Still, might be a good time to go grab some more handguns and ammo. Just in case I need them soon.

About 30 years ago i was looking thtough a book i had recently bought by Elsdon C. Smith called NEW DICTIONARY OF AMERICAN FAMILY NAMES.i happened to glance over at a newspaper that had an artical about serial killers.I started looling up the meanings of their last names...over the next few months i discovered there is a ststistical probality that evil people have a last name that means one of the following [1] dweller in or near a swamp,marsh,moor, or wastland [2] dweller in a grove of trees or forest or clearing in a forest [3] dweller in a deep valley ,hollow,or low lying wet area & [4] dweller on land that is unable to be cultivated or farmed...examples:richard SPECKne who came from Speke [brushwood] in Lancashire Cheney: One who came from Chenay [oak grove] in France ..Kissinger: One who came from Kissing [swamp]in Germany , Bush : Dweller on uncultivated land ,Palin,Dweller near the marsh or swamp,,,Sarah's maiden name is Heath [wasteland with low schrubs] these people tend to marry each other.

reply to post by Oldnslo


I grew up just a few miles away from where Kimberly Leach was abducted, raped, and murdered. She was 12 years old, and a nice looking, intelligent gentleman named Ted destroyed her simply because he could and because he wanted to do so.

The night that Florida finally threw the switch on Ted Bundy, we turned off all the lights in our house, just in case the Florida Power Company needed the extra juice.

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Regarding the OP:

Though I never personally met anyone as foul as Bundy, I have indeed known cruel, vile people who delighted in wickedness and who I considered to be evil. But just knowing that Bundy had been in close proximity to me and my family was enough to keep me hyper-vigilant for decades. I absolutely believe that evil exists.

Is there anything we can do about it? Yes, but it is a sad answer: kill it before it kills you.

-FT.

[edit on 28-11-2009 by FellowTraveler]

reply to post by stumason


And for a minute I was thinking games didn't really influence this. Do you really tie your true nature this deeply to the way a computer program rates the character you were playing the "game" with? Tell me you're being sarcastic!

I've seen evil people but I usually try to stay away from them. Have I ever wanted to be evil? If being evil is to inflict harm on others, then I have definitely been tempted and have acted out on a few occasions. I had a dream once where it seemed like I was shown what it could be like to be truly evil. In the dream, there were a whole lot of different techniques to kill someone. Without getting into too many details, I was disgusted and appalled at how it seemed so real and it seemed disgusting to remember feeling enjoyment at killing people. I suppose some murderers may feel joy in doing what they are good at. They are evil. When I kill others in computer games I do not believe that is evil since I know I'm not hurting anyone. Even though I must admit I enjoyed finding a technique to make the screams last longer in one game so the victims didn't die as fast.

There once was a boss where I worked once that seemed to enjoy upsetting people about every single day. He seemed to enjoy starting conflicts that caused others to end up in tears. One of the supervisors once confided in me that if the guy was on fire, he wouldn't even put it out by urinating on the guy. He would just let him burn. I did find out how to get out of doing something you didn't like that he assigned to you. If he caught you enjoying it or looking like you were enjoying it, he would immediately take you off that job. I wasn't the same person anymore after that boss.

Funny when I seen this thread it had 33 replies and 3 flags..

There has to be all extremes in this reality. This includes all aspects, including personality. Down they road that evil person might not be so evil anymore, but someone else is.

Another curious dynamic to this last name meanings idea [see my above post] is evident in the Manson murders .[circa 1968/69] Tate,as in Sharon Tate means: Dweller on a hilltop . What shows up in these murders is the low killing the high.Lesley van Hooten [Hooten means hollow] had a lawyer named Hughes [spirit mind] who was murdered during her trial..at least two other Manson family
members with "high" names were murdered in 1969 because they knew too much and coudn't be trusted...
For a serious indepth look into the Manson murders I would strongly suggest The Manson Secret [ book #3 of Sinister Forces] by Peter Levenda and The Shadow Over Santa Susana:Black Magic,Mind Control,and the Manson Family Mythos by Adam Gorightly.

Yes I have. The woman is a social worker for CPS who gets off on destroying families, scaring children and watching them cry for their parents. She only targets good parents. Because of the laws she can't be stopped and is actually encouraged in her behavior by her supervisors because it brings in adoptable children wich results in greater federal funding.

reply to post by andy1033


Me.

Apparently *I* am the bad guy. Again.

For years, literally, I have been ridiculed, taunted, harassed, bullied, abused, threatened, gangstalked, workplace-mobbed - but apparently because I wrote that I despise my abusers and wish they'd suffer like I've suffered, now I'm the bad guy again.

So now whenever I go out somewhere and come home I get to have Mr. Cell-Phone Biker stalking me and threatening to bring in three or four guys and work me over. And then when I make a counter-threat to shoot at them (in self-defense), then I get a little army of like eight gangbangers waiting for me when I get home.

So maybe the thing to do next is arrange it so that I have an army of like 10 mercs with assault rifles with me when I get home. (And I have the money to do it now, BTW.)

And then if the other side manages to match that, then I'll have to bring in 20 guys with armored vehicles and rocket-launchers and chain-guns, and a TANK! Yeah!!!

And all of it, ALL of it - over a WOMAN! Ironic, isn't it? The Face that launched 1000 ships! A gigantic bloodbath right outside my building, yes!! This must be the way!!

But, wait! There may be another way!! Couldn't the stalkers just stop stalking me, stop spying on me, stop workplace-mobbing me, stop threatening me? You know, just leave me in peace to live my life?

Zero cost, zero violence. Everyone wins. Hmmm.......... I like it!

[edit on 29-11-2009 by MajorDisaster]

reply to post by andy1033


The thing about people being evil is the for the most part the 'evilness' (in most cases) is subconscious and someone will either deny that the things they are doing, the way they are acting etc. are evil, or they will go on with their lives never knowing that deep down they are committing acts of pure evil.

The good thing though is that we can all protect ourselves from evil within one another - so by helping ourselves, we are helping those around use (so if you think about it if everyone does their part, the world would be at peace).

This quote seems to fit well...

"Consequences are unpitying. Our deeds carry their terrible consequences, quite apart from any fluctuations that went before--consequences that are hardly ever confined to ourselves. -George Eliot"

Oh and this one is good as well...

" . . . a belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." -Joseph Conrad

^^Very true, and certainly pertains to the OP in this thread. Our physical bodies which hold our physical brain, is definitely capable of producing evil. This does not mean someones soul is of 'pure evil', in fact I don't think any soul is pure evil, there must always be a balance between the two to survive. Although I can't say for certain, since those who are trying to achieve enlightenment are striving for pure love, which I am trying to do. Does that mean that once I get to that point everything ends? I'm starting to get off topic so I'll stop here.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by highlyoriginal]

I consider myself to be an extremely "dark" person who can see the benefits of both evil AND good alike. Like a previous poster said, it is the action that makes something evil, not the end outcome. Because in the end, all humans seek the same thing. How they achieve it is classified in such a way as to define good and evil.

Good and evil only exists in the human mind, honestly. Before our consciousness came to play, there were no distinctions. Evil is only defined by our predetermined and programmed view on what a "Good" world SHOULD look like.

That being said. We are the victims of our own ideas and the creators OF those ideas. IE. We are all just like the fat kid who eats cause he is depressed and depressed cause he eats...