Someone please answer me!!

Ok, so I gotta admit I am actually really sad I had to make this thread and I hope somene actually responds. In the thread Why won't God heal amputees? I posed the question of why christian interest groups try so hard to have things like limb regeneration, stem cell research, cloning etc stopped. Are they afraid it shows a lack of need for God? Does it show we can do something that he cannot??

Upon posting this question or challenge, pages and pages of threads have added up, 21 pages at current time of making this thread. There is plenty of activity in this thread with at least it seems a post every minute. So why is this question being ignored, arent' that what this site is here for?? To question things, to find the truth behind all answers. Are christians so afraid that they will not answer?

Yeah, the Church does not want the 'people of God' being able to BE GOD.
Literally meaning that we are trying to take God's place and saying that we do not need him if we can replace ourselves and we are totally indestructable-sorry went off trail a bit.

reply to post by stereovoyaged


The issues you brought up are very important. The sanctity of human life is an important and difficult issue so it is best to proceed slowly. Eventually I think the regrowth of limbs and body parts will be accomplished in a way that everyone, including Christians accept. As far as the far right republican Christians go, I think they are off base in many areas. However, they have a point and we must proceed thoughtfully and carefully to preserve the dignity and sanctity of life. How would you like your insurance company demanding that you get your body modified to please them? Or an employer? Wouldn't McDonalds just love a four armed grill chef? Anyway, it is good that we proceed slowly.

reply to post by ilovetoledo


I see what you mean to a point. But I ask, who are the church to decided "the dignity and sanctity of life." They have no medical understanding of it, they do not do the research, they do not know how the body works/reacts/is affected. These oppositions are based on superstition and supernatural beliefs only. Thats the crazy part!!!

With the division there is "supposed" to be between church and state, religious groups should have no influence into scientific research just as scientists have no business trying to influence religious studies.

reply to post by stereovoyaged

I posed the question of why christian interest groups try so hard to have things like limb regeneration, stem cell research, cloning etc stopped. Are they afraid it shows a lack of need for God? Does it show we can do something that he cannot??

I don't think they do it because it shows a lack of need for God or that we can do something he cannot.

The issue with stem cell research is that they are harvested from aborted fetuses. I thik many people that are not religious also have issues with cloning. Personally, I am semi religious and I do not have any problems with cloning, but others do based on the ethcal questions that cloning creates. As far as limb regeneration goes, I have not heard of anyone having an issue with that.

reply to post by stereovoyaged


It's not just the church, whatever you mean by that, that decides. It is one segment of society and alot less powerful than you think. We live in a democracy. I have my points of view that I support politically as do all segments of society. If as a society as a whole feels comfortable with something, and wants it to happen, then it will. If the time is not right, then we have to wait, or go to some country where we can get what we want. No one gets everything they want when they want.

Originally posted by ilovetoledo
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It's not just the church, whatever you mean by that, that decides. It is one segment of society and alot less powerful than you think. We live in a democracy. I have my points of view that I support politically as do all segments of society. If as a society as a whole feels comfortable with something, and wants it to happen, then it will. If the time is not right, then we have to wait, or go to some country where we can get what we want. No one gets everything they want when they want.

Exactly!! A democracy!! So if you are governed by a democractically elected government and this elected body (by the people, for the people) approve of a research (in a country with a law of divsion of church and state), no religious group has any right to think they should stop this research. Isnt' another rule in the bible to follow the law of the land??

***And I understand that its NOT just religion, but to claim its not the majority of the oppostitions, is strictly a fallacy.

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Originally posted by stereovoyaged
With the division there is "supposed" to be between church and state, religious groups should have no influence into scientific research just as scientists have no business trying to influence religious studies.

That the dumbest thing I have ever heard. There is no separation between science and religion.

And to answer your question about why god won’t heal the deaf, dumb, and lame is this reason. Free will, He gave man Dominion over this planet, and with that Dominion he granted us the ability to pursue Science, and Knowledge. We will never become god, He is the Alpha and Omega, We may find a way to become immortal but if is the creator he can be the destroyer.

Now I feel we should be able to clone your body parts, need a new lung, clone yours, need a new Heart know problem clone it from your body. But as far as cloning a living human from another Human doesn’t make since to do it. While I will agree it would be interesting to see if that clone is exactly like the person it was cloned from… But I think that’s another topic on its own.

christian interest groups try so hard to have things like limb regeneration, stem cell research, cloning etc stopped

Who are these research groups?

The division of church and state was designed to keep government from using the church as a tool for political purposes, the way many of the kings of England did. It was not meant to sterilize government from every vestige of Christian thought. On the contrary, it was meant to strengthen the church so that its influence would be maintained rather than weakened by despots.

When it comes down to it, everyone, including atheists and agnostics, have a spiritual point of view. It just so happens that with atheists their god by default becomes themselves or man as a whole. It would be absurd to separate our spiritual points of view, whether atheist or Christian, from the policies, governments, and elected officials we support since it is our spiritual view of ourselves, the rest of the world, God or the non-existence of God, since it is those views that ultimately define us.

reply to post by oliveoil


If some groups have a belief that something is wrong and should be stopped, who are you to tell them to be quiet or to not support their representatives? You need to work on advocating positively for what you believe and supporting the representatives that support your viewpoint.

Originally posted by ilovetoledo
reply to post by oliveoil

 

If some groups have a belief that something is wrong and should be stopped, who are you to tell them to be quiet or to not support their representatives? You need to work on advocating positively for what you believe and supporting the representatives that support your viewpoint.

Relax big guy.

I just asked a simple question. Who are these groups? You need to calm down a bit before jumping the gun.

reply to post by ilovetoledo


That's just plain bad history, man. I know that I can't expect too much historical accuracy from anyone whp believes in the bible, but really. England had been wracked by sectarian warfare for a good long time, was ruled as a theocratic republic for a time, and the rest of Europe was just as bad.

The king of england wasn't "using the church as a political tool" - He was the church. Just as the Queen is now.

Religion has a funny habit of making people utterly idiotic - imagine in Italy, where there was, up until the 20th century a funny practice where, if the government found out a nonchristian baby had been baptized, they would snatch it away from the parents unless they converted. Since anyone was allowed to baptize, this was naturally a problem... but the crazy damn thing? Most of the parents refused to convert. Really, they thought it was better to lose their child to baby-snatchers than to piss off their version of the penis-mutilator god.

We don't need people like that calling the shots in the government of this country. If "purging the government of Christian thought" is the same thing as "purging the government of superstitious idiocy" then I say, loudly, bring out the lions.

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reply to post by stereovoyaged

I posed the question of why christian interest groups try so hard to have things like limb regeneration, stem cell research, cloning etc stopped.

Christians don't oppose stem cell research. They oppose the use of viable embryos to get the stem cells. They also oppose creating an embryo just to get the stem cells. If we can get stemcells from other places, which we can, why do we need to destroy what many consider life?

I've never heard any Christian oppose limb regeneration. But I guess they're out there. My guess as to why they'd oppose it is that they don't understand it, perhaps. I for one don't oppose it. I think it's a worth while thing as, from my understanding, nothing has to die from it, no?

As far as clones go, you'll find more than just Christians opposing human cloning. The issue brings up a ton of ethical, moral, and spiritual issues. Is it right to just create a clone to get the body parts? Shouldn't be allowed to life it's own life? Does it have a soul? And so on.

That's just plain bad history, man. I know that I can't expect too much historical accuracy from anyone whp believes in the bible

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Originally posted by oliveoil

christian interest groups try so hard to have things like limb regeneration, stem cell research, cloning etc stopped

Who are these research groups?

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God isn't just a Christian thing. As far as stem cell research, the issue was with aborted fetuses but in the last two years they have discovered ways of harvesting stem cells that are far more efficient and have nothing to do with aborted fetuses so it's not really an issue anymore.

reply to post by stereovoyaged


I would be willing to bet that God has a myriad of reasons why, and probably has a special explanation specifically designed for each individual according to their own particular needs. The reason God gives me for his actions(or lack of) is probably slightly different from the explanation he may give you, depending on what he is trying to teach us.

In other words, why ask us? Doesn't it make more sense for you to ask God directly?

Originally posted by MissSmartypants

In other words, why ask us? Doesn't it make more sense for you to ask God directly?

I cannot as I do not believe him to be real. More a ficticious creation to controll mass populations and keep them right in line where TPTB want them. If there is a higher power out there, its not any of the ones worshipped in organized religion.

reply to post by factbeforefiction


Actually the "controversy" with stem cells wasn't aborted fetuses. It was the use of spare cytoblasts produced by IV fertilization.

Of course the religious right would rather you think these are the same thing.