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Kary Mullis' Next-Gen Cure for Killer Infection
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Originally posted by angelx666
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Originally posted by angelx666
whatever, im no arguing with VneZonyDostupa , durak
probable angry at himself for wasting all years at medschool, we all been there.. at first..
let them isolate the 'virus' then and deal done !
I'm actually quite happy with the time I've spent in medical school. The feeling of knowing that I'm helping a complete stranger combat an illness, recover from a wound, or make life-improving nutritional changes in their life is a wonderful thing.
yea, sure, nutrition by feeding with them toxic retrovirals, that grow buffalo hump on them
took your mirracle vaccine then yet ?
Actually, I mean nutritrion as in advising patients on proper vitamin intake, low sugar, etc.. Awesome ad hominem, though. It really shows the lack of information and research you have.
And no, why would I take HAART if I don't have HIV? If you mean flu/swine flu vaccine, yes, I've taken those already, as well as HepB, small pox, and a booster for MMR. Any other questions will have to wait until morning, sorry.
[edit on 11/23/2009 by VneZonyDostupa]
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
[snip]
Ahh the Irony.
BTW here's another prize. $100,000 for this one. You'll be rich!!!
www.altheal.org...
And remember all you have to do for the 1000 pounds at VirusMyth is supply a just one paper to prove the isolation myth. Easy peazy, you've already said you've done that here. So congrats your on your way!
But you better be fast before someone snatches up those links and grabs your prize.
BTW the German case was real. Wow!
[edit on 23-11-2009 by squiz]
Quote of off-topic post removed
[edit on 23/11/09 by masqua]
Originally posted by squiz
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
[snip]
Ahh the Irony.
BTW here's another prize. $100,000 for this one. You'll be rich!!!
www.altheal.org...
And remember all you have to do for the 1000 pounds at VirusMyth is supply a just one paper to prove the isolation myth. Easy peazy, you've already said you've done that here. So congrats your on your way!
But you better be fast before someone snatches up those links and grabs your prize.
BTW the German case was real. Wow!
[edit on 23-11-2009 by squiz]
Quote of off-topic post removed
[edit on 23/11/09 by masqua]
Actually, I e-mailed the folks about that prize. It turns out that since they refused Dr. Duesberg his prize, they have changed the criteria (big shock!) and now you must produce the image from your own experiment, not a paper.
Also, I did receive an e-mail back from Dr. De Harven (one of the people who posted with Alexander Ruseell about the $20000 prize). Very kind man who sent me some information about the prize, as well as forwarded my e-mail to the person more directly in charge of it. I'll keep you posted !
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Originally posted by squiz
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
[snip]
Ahh the Irony.
BTW here's another prize. $100,000 for this one. You'll be rich!!!
www.altheal.org...
And remember all you have to do for the 1000 pounds at VirusMyth is supply a just one paper to prove the isolation myth. Easy peazy, you've already said you've done that here. So congrats your on your way!
But you better be fast before someone snatches up those links and grabs your prize.
BTW the German case was real. Wow!
[edit on 23-11-2009 by squiz]
Quote of off-topic post removed
[edit on 23/11/09 by masqua]
Actually, I e-mailed the folks about that prize. It turns out that since they refused Dr. Duesberg his prize, they have changed the criteria (big shock!) and now you must produce the image from your own experiment, not a paper.
Also, I did receive an e-mail back from Dr. De Harven (one of the people who posted with Alexander Ruseell about the $20000 prize). Very kind man who sent me some information about the prize, as well as forwarded my e-mail to the person more directly in charge of it. I'll keep you posted !
good, VneZonyDostupa, start your homework ! you have all the requirements to start you lab investigation ! i doubt it will bring you 20k, but seeing big potential in your re-conversion and maybe fight those bastards together then, or prove there is no 'virus' and apply for noble or so
keep me posted, im highly interested in 'no virus' theory, not just a HIV, but ALL 'viruses'; no such thing
rgds
Never isolated? You bet! A cash prize of £ 1000 is offered to the first person finding one scientific paper establishing actual isolation of HIV.
www.virusmyth.com...
Just my final post on the subject that it has become, which is interesting and in a way after all that quite enlightening.
So thanks V, only in that small way. I did really learn a few things.
This is not meant for you, although I hope you read at least my conclusions.
Now it's obvious I am not qualified to make a definitive call on absolutely any of this stuff. But I'll try and explain why I'm willing to listen to the argument. I imagine it must seem absolutely nuts to a fresh med student. There are other words I would use for the education system. But it would be offensive.
There does seem to be no definitive paper that proves HIV causes AIDS. Which is where this began. When I look for this stuff I find allegations of fraud against Gallow, even admission by the 2008 noble prize winner that he never fully isolated it. I search for purified cultured HIV, I just find a lot of controversy. It goes on and on. But I was blown away by the German court case.
I'm not going to argue it any more, I'm actually more convinced than ever. And I know what has really happened here in this thread.
The way I see it, in my laymans point of view. Maybe even using the simple principles of the scientific method to some extent. Here's my reasoning.
Decades later, billions, probably trillions, of dollars later in research and gods knows what sort of profits on poisons sold as medicine that most probably caused immune deficiency.
Medical science is a complete failure on the part of AIDS. I'm not talking about the falsity of keeping them alive longer. The opposite is true.
I'm talking about a cure. nothing, zip, there was supposed to be a vaccine two years after Gallows claw at the big pie. Funds where invested, huge business built was built around it, and on to this day.
This huge business is built upon a theory to what appears to this layman to be faulty science. A singular theory that says HIV causes AIDS.
Why? it's simple, complete failure of the theory. A controversy surrounded the isolation. Very qualified professionals speaking out. A attack on the characters and defaming of these same people. The act of someone backed into a corner as I see it. The word Dissenter says it all, perhaps it's more like heretic? As well as dozens of prizes all over the world for doing what no one has done, including the German "dissenter" guy. Which he claims he has, but then he claims HIV does not cause AIDS. So there are multiple problems. Hey maybe even Hooper which is a different kettle of fish has some good arguments. Perhaps they're connected?
I don't have to know anything about medical science to see these things.
The theory has to be thrown out, everything has been poured into this money research, everything. All built on one SINGLE hypothesis that HIV causes AIDS. There's no denying the failure, and the big business it's become.
So the advice of this layman, is to get a new theory because that one aint workin folks!
BTW I think I know who put you know who up to it.
Seems like I've been the victim of a conspiracy myself.
That's right, but you can't fool the real tin foil hatters.
We're in ya internetz.
Anyway, it too failed much like the HIV hypothesis BYE!
[edit on 24-11-2009 by squiz]
So thanks V, only in that small way. I did really learn a few things.
This is not meant for you, although I hope you read at least my conclusions.
Now it's obvious I am not qualified to make a definitive call on absolutely any of this stuff. But I'll try and explain why I'm willing to listen to the argument. I imagine it must seem absolutely nuts to a fresh med student. There are other words I would use for the education system. But it would be offensive.
There does seem to be no definitive paper that proves HIV causes AIDS. Which is where this began. When I look for this stuff I find allegations of fraud against Gallow, even admission by the 2008 noble prize winner that he never fully isolated it. I search for purified cultured HIV, I just find a lot of controversy. It goes on and on. But I was blown away by the German court case.
I'm not going to argue it any more, I'm actually more convinced than ever. And I know what has really happened here in this thread.
The way I see it, in my laymans point of view. Maybe even using the simple principles of the scientific method to some extent. Here's my reasoning.
Decades later, billions, probably trillions, of dollars later in research and gods knows what sort of profits on poisons sold as medicine that most probably caused immune deficiency.
Medical science is a complete failure on the part of AIDS. I'm not talking about the falsity of keeping them alive longer. The opposite is true.
I'm talking about a cure. nothing, zip, there was supposed to be a vaccine two years after Gallows claw at the big pie. Funds where invested, huge business built was built around it, and on to this day.
This huge business is built upon a theory to what appears to this layman to be faulty science. A singular theory that says HIV causes AIDS.
Why? it's simple, complete failure of the theory. A controversy surrounded the isolation. Very qualified professionals speaking out. A attack on the characters and defaming of these same people. The act of someone backed into a corner as I see it. The word Dissenter says it all, perhaps it's more like heretic? As well as dozens of prizes all over the world for doing what no one has done, including the German "dissenter" guy. Which he claims he has, but then he claims HIV does not cause AIDS. So there are multiple problems. Hey maybe even Hooper which is a different kettle of fish has some good arguments. Perhaps they're connected?
I don't have to know anything about medical science to see these things.
The theory has to be thrown out, everything has been poured into this money research, everything. All built on one SINGLE hypothesis that HIV causes AIDS. There's no denying the failure, and the big business it's become.
So the advice of this layman, is to get a new theory because that one aint workin folks!
BTW I think I know who put you know who up to it.
Seems like I've been the victim of a conspiracy myself.
That's right, but you can't fool the real tin foil hatters.
We're in ya internetz.
Anyway, it too failed much like the HIV hypothesis BYE!
[edit on 24-11-2009 by squiz]
reply to post by squiz
Hello,
I to have always liked K. Mullis, and this formula is something to be reckoned with, for sure.
You mentioned Anthrax and the possibility of a cure coming from what Mullis proposes. Sure, there’s a vaccine for it, but the problem is that nobody who works outside of the wool industry and (OR) the military really needs or should get it. There is always a lurking danger with vaccines no matter how safe they are said to be, and that’s the bottom line.
There are three types of Anthrax that effect’s humans, and of those the 2nd type which is commonly known as “WOOLSORTERS DISEASE” or “RESPATORY ANTHRAX” is by far the worst of the three, due to the fact that it is very stable in aerosol making it the perfect choice for weaponization.
After the Anthrax spores are inhaled into the lungs our meanest hunter/killer white blood cell “THE MACROPHAGE” is basically tricked into depositing them into the lymph nodes in the chest. The spores then begin to germinate causing the lymph nodes to swell and push the breathing tubes in the chest closed while the growing bacilli begin to flood the blood stream with toxins that cause the death of the person infected in only a matter of days from the onset.
There already is a “CURE” for Anthrax, its simple “PENECILLIN.”
BUT ONLY IF > #1. You must get the antibiotic before the toxins are released by the growing bacilli in the lymph nodes otherwise your just going to die anyway with sqeeky clean blood.
#2. Manufactured Anthrax unleashed on the battlefield or by means of a terrorist attack can quite easily be made immune to antibiotics by the FrUiT LooP who makes it, the chances for survival if strain of Anthrax is indeed antibiotic resistant is that by the grace of GoD there is a brand new antibiotic (OR NEAR IT) that whom ever cooked up the Anthrax didn't hear about hence not making the strain resistant to it. "GooD LucK !"
The vaccine for Anthrax however acts against the first carrier molecule and neutralizes it, halting the rest of the disease process.
If two hundred pounds of just regular Anthrax and not an antibiotic resistant form were to be aerosolized out of a simple crop duster plane over a major populated U.S. city such as New York or Los Angeles it could easily lay a few million people to waste.
Whats the BIG war with H.I.V. about ? ? ?
See the following links below.
www.duesberg.com...
www.youtube.com...
This is the person who gets the credit for the discovery of H.I.V.-1
Luc Montagnier, from the Pastur institute in France. Understand that he is no idiot and had already said that H.I.V. COULD NOT CAUSE A.I.D.S. PERIOD !
AND WHEN HE SAID THAT "BIG PHARMA" ATTACKED HIM !
"Another interesting field, which is my own, is cofactors, not only to the disease but also to transmission. I am still puzzled by the fact that you get more sexual transmission in some ethnic populations. One way to answer this is to look for genetic factors."
Luc Montagnier
www.boydgraves.com...
www.omsj.org...
www.whale.to...
www.detoxifynow.com...
www.healtoronto.com...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Funnily enough this study didn’t get much press when published over a year ago. It shows that patients who take all their AIDS drugs had a significantly higher cardiovascular disease risk than patients on “Structured Treatment Interruption” (they were off drugs 65% of the time). The authors make a big deal of the fact that, “A higher proportion of patients in the STI arm were diagnosed with pneumonia”, but very subtly don’t mention that this was not statistically significant. What if they had an arm of the trial where people to
[edit on 31-7-2010 by alpha68]
Hello,
I to have always liked K. Mullis, and this formula is something to be reckoned with, for sure.
You mentioned Anthrax and the possibility of a cure coming from what Mullis proposes. Sure, there’s a vaccine for it, but the problem is that nobody who works outside of the wool industry and (OR) the military really needs or should get it. There is always a lurking danger with vaccines no matter how safe they are said to be, and that’s the bottom line.
There are three types of Anthrax that effect’s humans, and of those the 2nd type which is commonly known as “WOOLSORTERS DISEASE” or “RESPATORY ANTHRAX” is by far the worst of the three, due to the fact that it is very stable in aerosol making it the perfect choice for weaponization.
After the Anthrax spores are inhaled into the lungs our meanest hunter/killer white blood cell “THE MACROPHAGE” is basically tricked into depositing them into the lymph nodes in the chest. The spores then begin to germinate causing the lymph nodes to swell and push the breathing tubes in the chest closed while the growing bacilli begin to flood the blood stream with toxins that cause the death of the person infected in only a matter of days from the onset.
There already is a “CURE” for Anthrax, its simple “PENECILLIN.”
BUT ONLY IF > #1. You must get the antibiotic before the toxins are released by the growing bacilli in the lymph nodes otherwise your just going to die anyway with sqeeky clean blood.
#2. Manufactured Anthrax unleashed on the battlefield or by means of a terrorist attack can quite easily be made immune to antibiotics by the FrUiT LooP who makes it, the chances for survival if strain of Anthrax is indeed antibiotic resistant is that by the grace of GoD there is a brand new antibiotic (OR NEAR IT) that whom ever cooked up the Anthrax didn't hear about hence not making the strain resistant to it. "GooD LucK !"
The vaccine for Anthrax however acts against the first carrier molecule and neutralizes it, halting the rest of the disease process.
If two hundred pounds of just regular Anthrax and not an antibiotic resistant form were to be aerosolized out of a simple crop duster plane over a major populated U.S. city such as New York or Los Angeles it could easily lay a few million people to waste.
Whats the BIG war with H.I.V. about ? ? ?
See the following links below.
www.duesberg.com...
www.youtube.com...
This is the person who gets the credit for the discovery of H.I.V.-1
Luc Montagnier, from the Pastur institute in France. Understand that he is no idiot and had already said that H.I.V. COULD NOT CAUSE A.I.D.S. PERIOD !
AND WHEN HE SAID THAT "BIG PHARMA" ATTACKED HIM !
"Another interesting field, which is my own, is cofactors, not only to the disease but also to transmission. I am still puzzled by the fact that you get more sexual transmission in some ethnic populations. One way to answer this is to look for genetic factors."
Luc Montagnier
www.boydgraves.com...
www.omsj.org...
www.whale.to...
www.detoxifynow.com...
www.healtoronto.com...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Funnily enough this study didn’t get much press when published over a year ago. It shows that patients who take all their AIDS drugs had a significantly higher cardiovascular disease risk than patients on “Structured Treatment Interruption” (they were off drugs 65% of the time). The authors make a big deal of the fact that, “A higher proportion of patients in the STI arm were diagnosed with pneumonia”, but very subtly don’t mention that this was not statistically significant. What if they had an arm of the trial where people to
[edit on 31-7-2010 by alpha68]
reply to post by alpha68
Still waiting on that post about your "big secret" Alpha68. That was...2 months ago? 3, maybe?
For a hoaxer, you sure stick around for a while.
Still waiting on that post about your "big secret" Alpha68. That was...2 months ago? 3, maybe?
For a hoaxer, you sure stick around for a while.
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa
Ohhh...your silly.
I plan for that to be my last post here, I'm nearing the end of a six month vacation and before I go it will be posted.
I think that you will miss me after I'm gone, because you will no longer have me to kick around.
Question = Why on "GoDs GreeN EartH" would you get vaccinated against the Variola virus (SMALLPOX) which has been wiped out of the worlds population since (1980,) which is quite possibly before you even hatched ? lol
You don't plan to re-open & run Renwick or somthing do ya ?
"JUST ASKING" www.opacity.us...
The Variola major virus only exists in three places on earth now, which are as follows.
1.) Atlanta GA. U.S.A. at CDC.
2.) Koltsovo, Russia. at "VECTOR INSTITUTE." They moved it 3 times.
3.) Tehran, Iran. Aerosolized in a pump action bottle of "JUST FOR MEN"
hair spray and strategically placed on the toiletry counter in the master bathroom at Mahmouds Ahmadinejads house.
Of course I'm only joking in regards to the first two locations, but none the less. We don't have to worry about good old fashioned Smallpox anymore anyway. Have you ever heard of the "RED REAPER ?"
His given name is (DR.) Kanatajan Alibeckov and he was in the red army and worked at BIOPREPARAT, also known as ahh..."VECTOR." He changed his name to Dr. Ken Alibeck and that dude is for real and "BaD NewS."
Of course there are the "doubting Thomas" clowns regarding the claims of the good doctor, but they are complete idiots. Alibeckov was the first defecto from Biopreparat, by no means the last.
www.rense.com...
www.pbs.org...
www.google.com...:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=&q=ken+alibek&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=Fz5XTPWnB8TYnAed_piDAw&sa=X&oi=image_r esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CD8QsAQwAw&biw=980&bih=578
archives.cnn.com...
[edit on 2-8-2010 by alpha68]
Ohhh...your silly.
I plan for that to be my last post here, I'm nearing the end of a six month vacation and before I go it will be posted.
I think that you will miss me after I'm gone, because you will no longer have me to kick around.
Question = Why on "GoDs GreeN EartH" would you get vaccinated against the Variola virus (SMALLPOX) which has been wiped out of the worlds population since (1980,) which is quite possibly before you even hatched ? lol
You don't plan to re-open & run Renwick or somthing do ya ?
"JUST ASKING" www.opacity.us...
The Variola major virus only exists in three places on earth now, which are as follows.
1.) Atlanta GA. U.S.A. at CDC.
2.) Koltsovo, Russia. at "VECTOR INSTITUTE." They moved it 3 times.
3.) Tehran, Iran. Aerosolized in a pump action bottle of "JUST FOR MEN"
hair spray and strategically placed on the toiletry counter in the master bathroom at Mahmouds Ahmadinejads house.
Of course I'm only joking in regards to the first two locations, but none the less. We don't have to worry about good old fashioned Smallpox anymore anyway. Have you ever heard of the "RED REAPER ?"
His given name is (DR.) Kanatajan Alibeckov and he was in the red army and worked at BIOPREPARAT, also known as ahh..."VECTOR." He changed his name to Dr. Ken Alibeck and that dude is for real and "BaD NewS."
Of course there are the "doubting Thomas" clowns regarding the claims of the good doctor, but they are complete idiots. Alibeckov was the first defecto from Biopreparat, by no means the last.
www.rense.com...
www.pbs.org...
www.google.com...:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=&q=ken+alibek&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=Fz5XTPWnB8TYnAed_piDAw&sa=X&oi=image_r esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CD8QsAQwAw&biw=980&bih=578
archives.cnn.com...
[edit on 2-8-2010 by alpha68]
Originally posted by alpha68
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa
Ohhh...your silly.
I plan for that to be my last post here, I'm nearing the end of a six month vacation and before I go it will be posted.
Sure you will.
Question = Why on "GoDs GreeN EartH" would you get vaccinated against the Variola virus (SMALLPOX) which has been wiped out of the worlds population since (1980,) which is quite possibly before you even hatched ? lol
They don't vaccinate children for smallpox anymore, and haven't for some time. The only reason I received it was due to being born in a country (USSR) that, at that time, was still vaccinating for smallpox.
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa
Ohhh...you were born in Russia, that explains the "LENIN" quote, did you go back or stay in the states ?
Did you see comrade "Ebolapox" up there in my last post ?
While I was adding that you must have came on-line and replied while I was in the process of doing it.
hackvan.com...
I will give you a clue as to whom is in that video that I told you about, you were already told his first name. lol
Santa Claus is known for saying > "MeRRy ChIsTmaS" and what else ?
Ohhh...you were born in Russia, that explains the "LENIN" quote, did you go back or stay in the states ?
Did you see comrade "Ebolapox" up there in my last post ?
While I was adding that you must have came on-line and replied while I was in the process of doing it.
hackvan.com...
I will give you a clue as to whom is in that video that I told you about, you were already told his first name. lol
Santa Claus is known for saying > "MeRRy ChIsTmaS" and what else ?
reply to post by alpha68
Alibekov is nothing but an opportunist. He fled the country after the Union had already fallen and fed the government exaggerated stories to garner favor. Biopreparat developed weapons, yes, but nothing worse than anthrax, sarin, and VX gas were ever created. To date, Russia has yet to use any of these. Believe me, if we had them, we would have used them in Chechnya by now, and I would completely support that decisions.
And no, I don't live in Russia now. I got back for about a month each year to volunteer in a Moscow clinic and to see family.
Alibekov is nothing but an opportunist. He fled the country after the Union had already fallen and fed the government exaggerated stories to garner favor. Biopreparat developed weapons, yes, but nothing worse than anthrax, sarin, and VX gas were ever created. To date, Russia has yet to use any of these. Believe me, if we had them, we would have used them in Chechnya by now, and I would completely support that decisions.
And no, I don't live in Russia now. I got back for about a month each year to volunteer in a Moscow clinic and to see family.
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa
At one time everyone that I knew in my field that I went to school with thought that Alibekov was completely blowing smoke, but my professor DID NOT and set some of us more than straight on more than just a few issues regarding what he regarded as "MaD SceincE".
That was just for starters
I understand your view on the Chehen's, but to let fly with something the likes of Ebolapox on the same continent that are along side other countries that you have no beef with, let alone your own country, would be flat out ignorant.
Smallpox speads like wildfire by areosol and bringing Ebola (Zaire) with it in the same kick would spell absoulute, total & complete, utter DOOM for every single solitary man, woman & child on the continent.
"GooD NighT IrenE !"
Its I.C.B.M. delivered continent killer, it would ONLY be used in a world war 3 situation against the United States and our allies, Austrailia for sure and most certainly be on the recieving end of it. Nukes would be used only on major U.S. cities and military base locations inside the U.S.
People would at first think it was a "DuDD," but NOPE ! NO DuDD ! !
It would explode far above ground and the aersol would cover hundreds upon hundred of square miles.
[edit on 4-8-2010 by alpha68]
At one time everyone that I knew in my field that I went to school with thought that Alibekov was completely blowing smoke, but my professor DID NOT and set some of us more than straight on more than just a few issues regarding what he regarded as "MaD SceincE".
That was just for starters
I understand your view on the Chehen's, but to let fly with something the likes of Ebolapox on the same continent that are along side other countries that you have no beef with, let alone your own country, would be flat out ignorant.
Smallpox speads like wildfire by areosol and bringing Ebola (Zaire) with it in the same kick would spell absoulute, total & complete, utter DOOM for every single solitary man, woman & child on the continent.
"GooD NighT IrenE !"
Its I.C.B.M. delivered continent killer, it would ONLY be used in a world war 3 situation against the United States and our allies, Austrailia for sure and most certainly be on the recieving end of it. Nukes would be used only on major U.S. cities and military base locations inside the U.S.
People would at first think it was a "DuDD," but NOPE ! NO DuDD ! !
It would explode far above ground and the aersol would cover hundreds upon hundred of square miles.
[edit on 4-8-2010 by alpha68]
reply to post by alpha68
The technology and computing power necessary to create a hybrid of two viruses didn't exist in the time period this man claimed he did it.
Not to mention, ebola virus and smallpox virus are not syngergistic. Their modes of infection and pathogenicity wouldn't really create anything more dangerous or pathogenic.
Also, for an ICBM to detonate and spread a biological agent of "hundreds of square miles" would require both a pathogen that is capable of surviving intense heat, intense pressure, and being outside a host for extended periods of time, none of which smallpox or ebola can do.
[edit on 8/4/2010 by VneZonyDostupa]
The technology and computing power necessary to create a hybrid of two viruses didn't exist in the time period this man claimed he did it.
Not to mention, ebola virus and smallpox virus are not syngergistic. Their modes of infection and pathogenicity wouldn't really create anything more dangerous or pathogenic.
Also, for an ICBM to detonate and spread a biological agent of "hundreds of square miles" would require both a pathogen that is capable of surviving intense heat, intense pressure, and being outside a host for extended periods of time, none of which smallpox or ebola can do.
[edit on 8/4/2010 by VneZonyDostupa]
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa
Ohhh... VneZonyDostupa don't sell your former countrymen short, Alibekov may not appear to be the brightest crayon in the box, but then again neither do I.
Please don't kid yourself, the technology was surely there. CDC was mapping out Ebola Zaire round about the same time that baby Alibekov showed up on our doorstep, the U.S. goverment didn't know squat about Biopreparat until they were given information by the first TRUE defector who worked there when the Soviet Union was still in full effect, and that was around the time the very first known filovirus "Marberg virus" had just emerged. 1976
Thats when they would have been playing around with things such as A- typical Anthrax and the poison gases and such.
"TOP SECRET & ABOVE" means "ShuT youR MoutH BoY !"
They don't give tours of Biopreparat facilities anymore then they do out at Groom Lake in the middle of nowheresville Nevada for a reason ya know.
I didn't mean that an I.C.B.M. would actually explode in a fireball, what you see go up is not what you see come down you know.
The missle looks like a rocket when it takes off, "BECAUSE IT IS" but what re-enters the atmosphere is not even close to what left it. "WARHEADS"
It would be a whats known as a cold explosion and it would take place about one thousand ft. above the ground and most surely be done at night because U.V. light would harm the aerosol. BSL 3 & 4 labs use ultra violet light on the way out to decontaminate.
Ohhh... VneZonyDostupa don't sell your former countrymen short, Alibekov may not appear to be the brightest crayon in the box, but then again neither do I.
Please don't kid yourself, the technology was surely there. CDC was mapping out Ebola Zaire round about the same time that baby Alibekov showed up on our doorstep, the U.S. goverment didn't know squat about Biopreparat until they were given information by the first TRUE defector who worked there when the Soviet Union was still in full effect, and that was around the time the very first known filovirus "Marberg virus" had just emerged. 1976
Thats when they would have been playing around with things such as A- typical Anthrax and the poison gases and such.
"TOP SECRET & ABOVE" means "ShuT youR MoutH BoY !"
They don't give tours of Biopreparat facilities anymore then they do out at Groom Lake in the middle of nowheresville Nevada for a reason ya know.
I didn't mean that an I.C.B.M. would actually explode in a fireball, what you see go up is not what you see come down you know.
The missle looks like a rocket when it takes off, "BECAUSE IT IS" but what re-enters the atmosphere is not even close to what left it. "WARHEADS"
It would be a whats known as a cold explosion and it would take place about one thousand ft. above the ground and most surely be done at night because U.V. light would harm the aerosol. BSL 3 & 4 labs use ultra violet light on the way out to decontaminate.
Originally posted by alpha68
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa
Ohhh... VneZonyDostupa don't sell your former countrymen short, Alibekov may not appear to be the brightest crayon in the box, but then again neither do I.
Being bright has nothing to do with inventing a technology that wouldn't exist for another twenty years.
Please don't kid yourself, the technology was surely there. CDC was mapping out Ebola Zaire round about the same time that baby Alibekov showed up on our doorstep, the U.S. goverment didn't know squat about Biopreparat until they were given information by the first TRUE defector who worked there when the Soviet Union was still in full effect, and that was around the time the very first known filovirus "Marberg virus" had just emerged. 1976
The molecular technology needed to "map" a virus and manipulate in the manner necessary to mix-and-match genetic material didn't exist in the 1970s. It's just a fact, i don't know how else to explain this.
I didn't mean that an I.C.B.M. would actually explode in a fireball, what you see go up is not what you see come down you know.
The missle looks like a rocket when it takes off, "BECAUSE IT IS" but what re-enters the atmosphere is not even close to what left it. "WARHEADS"
It would be a whats known as a cold explosion and it would take place about one thousand ft. above the ground and most surely be done at night because U.V. light would harm the aerosol. BSL 3 & 4 labs use ultra violet light on the way out to decontaminate.
A "cold explosion" would still require some sort of system for propelling the biological sample over the distance you mentioned, which would mean the virus/bacteria/spores would need to be able to withstand high pressure and external environments, neither of which ebola or smallpox can do. You still haven't explained this.
Also, BSL3 and 4 labs don't use UV light to decontaminate, as this would take far too long and wouldn't be efficient. The suits worn in BSL4 don't leave the airlock, and once a person takes the suit off inside the airlock, you have to soap up and rinse off with hot water. Much more effective than UV.
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Sometimes you have to think outside the box abit.
U.V. is just one precautional procedure taken in BSL-4, by no means the first, let alone the only. I just mentioned it in regards to the SUNS ability to harm an aerosol, hence making after the sun goes down "NIGHT," the absolute best time to deliver a virological agent. "NO U.V."
Here... take a look at the link below and scroll down the list to Russia,
it speaks about the known Russian agents & the I.C.B.M.'s.
They ARE NOT going to mention Ebola or "GoD FoRbiD!" EBOLAPOX, so don't expect to see it listed. lol
However, they DO mention Marburg Virus. (CLOSE ENOUGH?)www.armscontrol.org...
The aerosol would be dispersed most likely by pressurized liquid nitrogen gas (OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO IT)and then the prevailing winds would do the rest, spread the aerosol after its release, virological weapons are BY FAR the worst of all, due to the fact that you only have to take in a very small amount and the virus replicates itself to the fatal level all by itself because thats quite simply what viruses are programed to do.
"QUITE CATCHY"
Smallpox is an "AIRBORNE" virus to begin with you understand, and Ebola Reston has shown airborne tendencies. Ebola and Marberg Virus can travel in water droplets and hold up great in arerosol. please see the second paragraph in the link below and then just keep reading. See "BLACKPOX"
cryptome.org...
Alibekov arrived in the U.S. in 1992 and may appear an opportunist, but the U.S. goverment did not $PAY$ him just because he could weave a great grim tale, they gave him a Brinks truck full of cash for two reasons.
1.) HE SOLD THE U.S. GOVERMENT THE EBOLAPOX SEQUENCE WHEN HE GOT HERE IN 92, HE DIDN'T JUST SAY "HEY ! LISTEN TO THIS !" lol
2.) Then Alibeck says...> GEE ! BACK HOME IN RUSSIA WE THOUGHT THE UNITED STATES HAD ALL KINDS OF MONSTER VIRUSES READY TO RAIN DOWN HELL ON US, BUT GUESS WHAT ? THEY DON'T ! OOPS ! MY BAD ! LOL !
MY FOOT WE DON'T ! DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING TO TELL HIM WHATS GOING ON WITH US ? WHO'S THE ONE LOOKING TO LIVE WHERE ?
All types of BiO-Weapon research was supposed to have ended in 1972,
which just so happens to be the exact same yer that Boyd Graves, U.S. goverment documents said the H.I.V. creation program did. That program is still on going to this day. You say that we didn't have the technology for this & that back then ? Well...we sure as HeLL GoT iT NoW ! lol
Not to mention, throughout the last how many years ? Let the AIDS drugs do what the virus was ment to in the first place and soon enough we will be able to make it perform as advertised at its creation when technology catches up. A 2% gene difference between blacks & whites is all that be needed. Did you see my quote above of what Luc Montagnier said regarding sexual transmission of H.I.V. & the races ?
That virus "H.I.V." has been spliced more times than Joan Rivers VneZonyDostupa.
The United States version of "BIOPREPARAT" are whats known as "POINT LABS" BSL-3.5, BSL-4.5 and >BSL-5< They are creating life in order to destroy life. In BSL-3.5 they are trying to create new BSL-4 agents, in BSL-4.5, they are using and trying to combine BSL-4 agents into a BSL-5 agent, of which "EBOLAPOX" would most certainly qualify.
"THE TRUE ANDROMEDA STRAIN" agents would be birthed in United States Point Labs.
These labs are not located in Maryland at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick (OR FORT DOOM AS THE LOCALS CALL IT) anymore, they are located a wee-further west.
Fort Detrick (OR FORT "DIRTY TRICK" AS I CALL IT.) is the place where Dr. Robert Gallo played a major role in the creation of the H.I.V. virus by the way.
[edit on 5-8-2010 by alpha68
[edit on 5-8-2010 by alpha68]
Sometimes you have to think outside the box abit.
U.V. is just one precautional procedure taken in BSL-4, by no means the first, let alone the only. I just mentioned it in regards to the SUNS ability to harm an aerosol, hence making after the sun goes down "NIGHT," the absolute best time to deliver a virological agent. "NO U.V."
Here... take a look at the link below and scroll down the list to Russia,
it speaks about the known Russian agents & the I.C.B.M.'s.
They ARE NOT going to mention Ebola or "GoD FoRbiD!" EBOLAPOX, so don't expect to see it listed. lol
However, they DO mention Marburg Virus. (CLOSE ENOUGH?)www.armscontrol.org...
The aerosol would be dispersed most likely by pressurized liquid nitrogen gas (OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO IT)and then the prevailing winds would do the rest, spread the aerosol after its release, virological weapons are BY FAR the worst of all, due to the fact that you only have to take in a very small amount and the virus replicates itself to the fatal level all by itself because thats quite simply what viruses are programed to do.
"QUITE CATCHY"
Smallpox is an "AIRBORNE" virus to begin with you understand, and Ebola Reston has shown airborne tendencies. Ebola and Marberg Virus can travel in water droplets and hold up great in arerosol. please see the second paragraph in the link below and then just keep reading. See "BLACKPOX"
cryptome.org...
Alibekov arrived in the U.S. in 1992 and may appear an opportunist, but the U.S. goverment did not $PAY$ him just because he could weave a great grim tale, they gave him a Brinks truck full of cash for two reasons.
1.) HE SOLD THE U.S. GOVERMENT THE EBOLAPOX SEQUENCE WHEN HE GOT HERE IN 92, HE DIDN'T JUST SAY "HEY ! LISTEN TO THIS !" lol
2.) Then Alibeck says...> GEE ! BACK HOME IN RUSSIA WE THOUGHT THE UNITED STATES HAD ALL KINDS OF MONSTER VIRUSES READY TO RAIN DOWN HELL ON US, BUT GUESS WHAT ? THEY DON'T ! OOPS ! MY BAD ! LOL !
MY FOOT WE DON'T ! DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING TO TELL HIM WHATS GOING ON WITH US ? WHO'S THE ONE LOOKING TO LIVE WHERE ?
All types of BiO-Weapon research was supposed to have ended in 1972,
which just so happens to be the exact same yer that Boyd Graves, U.S. goverment documents said the H.I.V. creation program did. That program is still on going to this day. You say that we didn't have the technology for this & that back then ? Well...we sure as HeLL GoT iT NoW ! lol
Not to mention, throughout the last how many years ? Let the AIDS drugs do what the virus was ment to in the first place and soon enough we will be able to make it perform as advertised at its creation when technology catches up. A 2% gene difference between blacks & whites is all that be needed. Did you see my quote above of what Luc Montagnier said regarding sexual transmission of H.I.V. & the races ?
That virus "H.I.V." has been spliced more times than Joan Rivers VneZonyDostupa.
The United States version of "BIOPREPARAT" are whats known as "POINT LABS" BSL-3.5, BSL-4.5 and >BSL-5< They are creating life in order to destroy life. In BSL-3.5 they are trying to create new BSL-4 agents, in BSL-4.5, they are using and trying to combine BSL-4 agents into a BSL-5 agent, of which "EBOLAPOX" would most certainly qualify.
"THE TRUE ANDROMEDA STRAIN" agents would be birthed in United States Point Labs.
These labs are not located in Maryland at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick (OR FORT DOOM AS THE LOCALS CALL IT) anymore, they are located a wee-further west.
Fort Detrick (OR FORT "DIRTY TRICK" AS I CALL IT.) is the place where Dr. Robert Gallo played a major role in the creation of the H.I.V. virus by the way.
[edit on 5-8-2010 by alpha68
[edit on 5-8-2010 by alpha68]
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