Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

It seems that it is no longer possible to ignore reliable data. What is the "consensus" going to do? How will they explain the failure of their climate models? Why are we still being asked to pay for draconian measures that will have minimal impact?

Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents. The Earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.

The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."

Even though the temperature standstill probably has no effect on the long-term warming trend, it does raise doubts about the predictive value of climate models, and it is also a political issue. For months, climate change skeptics have been gloating over the findings on their Internet forums. This has prompted many a climatologist to treat the temperature data in public with a sense of shame, thereby damaging their own credibility.

Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill.

www.spiegel.de...

Oops.

Shall we continue to follow the AGW advocates who cling to their models, or act on the things we can change now to positive effect on our local environs?

In a time of tight credit and unprecedented sovereign debt around the world, what makes smarter use of limited resources?

Deny ignorance.

jw

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My super brain power has stopped it in its tracks! It looks like the earth magick that they were doing actually worked and they got more than they bargained for. Now, the various extortion schemes have no credible reason to continue.

Really though. How can something continue that never really started? I love the loaded manner of expression, that of warming mysteriously stopping rather than a cooldown starting or as I said above. C'mon.

I posted this in another thread but it's more fitting here so I'll add it:

Based on this link, it looks like we're on the verge of a major drop in temperature. It looks like it's happened several times in the last million years based on the global ice mass and temperature graphs of the last million years.

Temperature History

From Link - Global Ice Mass Last Six Milliong & Million Years


From Link - Temperatures over the last 1 million, 150 thousand, 16 thousand and 150 years


It just appears that there's some sort of peak that, once hit, causes something to occur - be it sea current changes or volcanism or something else - that causes temperature to drop dramatically. It also appears we might have already peaked as discussed recently as the current "lull" in 'global warming'. These graphs would support that.

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reply to post by Necrosis


I think the point in those graphs is that I can't see anything that stands out? Everything looks on schedule there and consistent with the waveforms. Is that the right data?

According to the website the data used was taken from various thesis on ice core samples and such. It generally falls in line with what's been happening as far as I can see. I think what's important is that, when looking over a million year period of time, there is a pattern of peaks and valleys in global temperature. Once a peak is reached it appears some sort of balance is tipped and the temperature drops.

To me, this would contradict that the warming that's been occurring has been man-made and us reducing carbon emissions\going green will have no effect if it is, indeed, a cyclical process.

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well I was under the impression any form of global warming would in fact result in a mass global cooling. And then we have that good ole movie that most hate " Day after tomorrow "

I love how alot of people forget that Our oceans are directly connected to our land masses and Atmosphere in more ways than 7.

That's okay,the aliens are going to come and usher in the new World Government,so none of their old tricks will be necessary at that point!

All a part of the Plan.

Search:"MAJESTYTWELVE"!

Originally posted by 10001011
well I was under the impression any form of global warming would in fact result in a mass global cooling. And then we have that good ole movie that most hate " Day after tomorrow "

I love how alot of people forget that Our oceans are directly connected to our land masses and Atmosphere in more ways than 7.

I also love it how some people say this kind of stuff now meanwhile they used to rave about how CO2 was more important than the Sun, and anything else under the stars....

Yes the oceans rule the climate more than CO2 also, CO2 heating capacity is insignificant. it does not cause the warming claimed by the AGWers..

Anyway, you fail to mention the fact that what you just said is another lie of the AGWers.... CO2 DOES NOT CAUSE COOLING... Unless the IPCC, Hansen, Al Gore, Mann, etc want to flip flop again, which they have done several times....

In a NATURAL CLIMATE CHANGE yes there is cooling, and warming cycles...because it is what happens every time there is Climate Change.

But the AGWers seen that their models, and their prognostications have failed tried to lie some more by claiming that "Climate Change" (which happens all the time) is part of their hoax of Anthropogenic Global Warming.... Their hoax says it all... Anthropogenic Global WARMING...and btw if the oceans were cooling because of the melting then the entire northern hemisphere, by stopping the North Atlantic Conveyor belt, would be right now COLD, but it is not... it is still experiencing some warming, and cooling, and so is the rest of the world.

But of course some people would rather keep believing the lies of Al Gore, Hansen, and Mann, than to actually see the truth to what the data is saying.

BTW, here is an image of what the emperatures have been doing.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e3770bad7304.jpg[/atsimg]

The image is too big, and I don't have software on this pc to resize it. Anyway, it can be seen at the link given by the OP.

Are people going to stop believing the lies by the Al Gorians, the Hansenians, and the Mannians?




[edit on 20-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by Necrosis
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To me, this would contradict that the warming that's been occurring has been man-made and us reducing carbon emissions\going green will have no effect if it is, indeed, a cyclical process.

You might have made a mistake, or maybe not, but how is this contradicting that a reduction of carbon emissions/going green will have no effect?...

In fact this DOES contradict the claims that reducing CO2 a, doing green will have an effect... It wasn't done and the temperatures went down anyways.... That is proof that "going green, and reducing emissions have no effect, and that in fact the Climate Change we have been undergoing is NATURAL....

I love it how some people even vote for claims just as yours trying to keep their dead religion of AGWing alive...

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Here, this should show the entire image.

reply to post by EnlightenUp



It is called el nino which is on a break and ready to gear up at any moment if it hasn't already.

and when it does, the trend will start going up worse then before.


A few months in the northeast of the USA hardly negates GW. Quit grasping at straws.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
I think the point in those graphs is that I can't see anything that stands out? Everything looks on schedule there and consistent with the waveforms. Is that the right data?

Did you forget to "read" what most scientists are saying now?... It is only a few who keep claiming "Global Warming will be back"... Yeah, it will be back if the Sun's activity goes back to normal, but since the Sun's activity is down, but also the Earth's magnetic field is down, and scientists have found that yes"something else beside the Sun is warming and causing Climate Changes", and that something else seems to be a source outside of the Solar System.

Surprise In Earth's Upper Atmosphere: Mode Of Energy Transfer From The Solar Wind

www.sciencedaily.com
"Its like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

What happens in the Solar System, and the regions the Solar System goes through have a direct impact on planets like EArth, and yes it DOES causes Climate Change.... But instead a few politicians, policymakers, and environmentalists saw this as a chance to excert power, and their influence over people, and they decided to blame mankind through CO2....

Originally posted by nixie_nox
It is called el nino which is on a break and ready to gear up at any moment if it hasn't already.

and when it does, the trend will start going up worse then before.


A few months in the northeast of the USA hardly negates GW. Quit grasping at straws.

BTW, this is not happening in the "northeast U.S.A. only", do yourself a favor and READ what is being posted... The article very well mentions the Earth's GLOBAL average temperatures...it is not talking about temperatures in the northeast U.S.A..

Stop grasping at straws...or is the fact that your AGW religion is dead is too much for you to take in?....

BTW, first of all El Nino did not start in late 2006... it only lasts up to 12 months, not almost three years, and not to mention that "El nino is a warming event", which is why Australia is in a warming trend, meanwhile the rest of the world is not as warm, instead the Earth's global average temperatures have been in a COOLING trend...with some exceptions which is what happens during NATURAL Climate Change...



[edit on 20-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by Aggie Man


Thanks for resizing the image.

BTW, to those that still don't understanding what the graph is showing, it shows the GLOBAL temperature average which shows a cooling trend, which is part of the NATURAL cycle of Climate Change.

I believe their models aren't good enough to predict pretty much anything with certainty. I'm confused about the global warming, some say it is speeding up some say it isn't warming up at all..

Maybe 2012 will mark the beginning of the next Ice Age

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

A few months in the northeast of the USA hardly negates GW. Quit grasping at straws.

The fact that nothing really seems out of place negates "global warming" in the sense of as something out of place in the greater cycles.

Grasping at straws is chopping some little piece out of a long term graph that essentially disappears in a larger picture and finding a trend in it-- which is a near certainty to find anyway.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Yes, I wasn't too clear in my wording there, I meant to say it contradicts what the gov't has been saying about reducing emissions, going-green, etc. to save the planet. Based on the data, it's cyclical so doing so would have no real effect.

reply to post by nixie_nox

the trend will start going up worse then before.
A few months in the northeast of the USA hardly negates GW. Quit grasping at straws.

Maybe you missed the most recent reports from EIA, EAU/CRU and others:

Global CO2 has not increased as the natural sinks have absorbed increased emissions,

CO2 emissions have dropped since 2007, to 2007 levels, in industrialized countries,

Loss of Tibetan and Himalayan glaciers is due primarily to local "black soot" deposits from China and India (who refuse to take action), as is the "Indo-Asian haze."

Economic CO2 limits (i.e., EU ETS, 'cap and trade')have universally failed to effect CO2 reduction, yet increased costs in production and consumption.

And, Hadley CRU at East Anglia has been hacked, revealing fraud and deceit in "climate studies" they've promoted or disclaimed.

Deny ignorance.

jw


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And of course, since this sort of evidence refutes her religion, she did not even bother to read the excerpts, and the article, where it clearly says GLOBAL TEMPERATURES, and not northeast U.S.A. temperatures...

It should be clear that some people don't want to stop believing their AGW religion, and the lies that "mankind is evil"...

Such people should be the first ones to be euthanized, and they should do mankind a favor and go live in a cave.



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