Here may be the big chance to crack 9/11!

reply to post by Wildbob77


And he also confesses to a bombing that happened A YEAR AFTER HE WAS IN JAIL.

Torture anyone for any period of time and they will admit anything. This has been proven times and times again in history.

I surely do hope that they make public all the paperwork that has been filed in the military courts. Especially the paperwork that lists Osama Bin Laden as a conspirator in the events of 9/11. Then we can demolish yet another claim of the "truth" movement.


BTW, when properly applied, harsh interrogation techniques (and by harsh, I mean if they can use the techniques in SERE school, then its not torture) DO produce good information.

A lot of "specialists" think he will be acting as his own defense. This will garner him the possibility of claiming an impartial jury cannot be found in the U.S., thereby allowing for a possible mistrial. Where can this guy get an impartial jury? As for jury selection, he can drag this on as long as he wants really, because he has to approve of the jurors.

Also, this allows him discovery, and he can subpoena the records that are held on him, allowing him a *lot* of information in discovery, Intelligence information that can be used against this country.

What if, for some wild reason, he decides to call you as a witness to the defense?

I agree, I would think long and hard about aligning myself with someone like this, regardless of motives, because I doubt the government will find it humerous. Am I saying you should be intimidated? Yep. There are other ways to fry that fish!




[edit on 19-11-2009 by Libertygal]

[edit on 19-11-2009 by Libertygal]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Then we can demolish yet another claim of the "truth" movement.

And which claim would that be? Surely it can't be the claim that the FBI has no hard evidence linking bin Laden to 9/11?

Because it's not just a claim. You want a name? The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. Here's the number so you can call and ask them yourself if you think the 9/11 truth movement makes things up: (202)324-3000. Stop accusing the 9/11 truth movement of lying when there are names and numbers where you can verify the information yourself.

Or are you scared of the FBI, Swampfox? Or are you scared that they will tell you the same thing they told the Muckraker Report and your whole belief system about 9/11 will come tumbling down?

So....

Where is the list of those truthers that will assist freeing KSM? I want to see you guys at the foot steps of the court house holding your "FREE KHALID" signs.

Go 4 it!

Originally posted by 911files
When the second plane hit, I did not need anyone to tell me it was a terrorist strike and that Bin Ladin was most likely behind it. Why? Because the M.O. was his. So no, "common sense suggests" it was OBL...

Do you know what 'M.O.' actually means?

modus operandi: routine; an unvarying or habitual method or procedure

Are you saying that you KNEW IMMEDIATELY that it was Osama, because of his unvarying and habitual manner of flying passenger jets into buildings?

I can't find any others like it. You're not saying that Osama was also responsible for the B-25 bomber flying into the Empire State Building in 1945 as well, are you?

Rewey

Osama was involved in the 911 attacks, he was the CIA puppet who would take the blame for it, and he knew it to and made a lot of money out of it.

reply to post by Blundo

Osama was involved in the 911 attacks, he was the CIA puppet who would take the blame for it, and he knew it to and made a lot of money out of it.

Originally posted by Tartarspoon

Osama worked for the US till 9/11

www.dailykos.com

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.

(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don’t believe for one minute that Bin Laden had anything to do with 911 and this proves it. The truth why Bin Laden was never charged for 911 because our government could never produce any proof. Perhaps after eight years you would have thought our government would have come up with some evidence. No our government lied to us. Now the governments want us to believe that these new terrorist that are going to be tried in NYC are the new mastermind of 911. I have to say eight long years, a little too late to try and push another lie on the people. Most people are now waking up to the fact that 911 was an inside job.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

Its risky because KSM planned 9-11, not some idiot in DC or a puppet master as some of you you want us to belive, not everything is a conspaircy.

I see one of two scenarios as being most likely:

1) KSM is a kidnap victim who was isolated, indefinitely detained and tortured with a cattle prod rammed up his wazoo. He told his torturers what they wanted to hear.

2) KSM is a kidnap victim that was held for years without charges, fair trial or contact with friends and family. He has been isolated, tortured and subject to humiliation and beating at the whims of his jailers. He has lost hope and wants to die a martyr.

There is a conspiracy here:

The conspiracy to hide and/or excuse the massive breaches of domestic and international law concerning the kidnapping, indefinite detention and torture of these POW's.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

The twin towers fell because two planes were highjacked by Al-Quaida, who proceded to fly them into buildings.

Now that's just plain funny. (In a non-funny kind of way)

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
I know some of you want to belive that the government is evil and out to get us, but lets really breathe here and think about this for a minute. If they were cabale of doing this, then we all would be dead already, they could mass produce a virus and unleash it on us all and give the cure to the ones they want to keep safe. They all could be chilling underground right sippin on some rum and coke while we all died.

The government is out to destroy this country. Who's to say we won't all be dead tomorrow? All the more reason to do a hard reset on our government *today*.

Originally posted by Taxi-Driver

KSM confessed, on record, prior to being captured. So no torture was used to get him to confess to 9/11.

A credible cite please.

And no; I don't want to hear anything created by/for the CIA or any other magicians. I call them "magicians" because they are well know for pulling things out of their a$$.

Originally posted by truthquest
The "mastermind" behind 9/11 may be going on trial soon. We need to get in contact with his lawyer and start planning the subpoenas! The lawyer is going to do nothing significant so its all on us to do the research.

Common sense suggests Osama Bin Ladin had nothing to do with the attacks and neither did this supposed "mastermind".

news.yahoo.com...

Let this be a thread to post suggestions for fellow researchers about how to go about doing this. Frankly I don't know how to try and contact this person's lawyer.... I doubt he has one yet even. Republicans call this "risky" for a good reason.

Osama Bin Ladin is dead, he was caught, tortured and beheaded by british troops. Plus there is too much evidence saying it was an inside job. i,e an engine found off one of the aeroplanes that hit the towers didnt even match up with the make of engine the aeroplanes use.

reply to post by _BoneZ_

Or are you scared of the FBI, Swampfox? Or are you scared that they will tell you the same thing they told the Muckraker Report and your whole belief system about 9/11 will come tumbling down?

Scared of the FBI? Nope.

Of course, from your post it shows that you dont know what all has been filed in the military courts....where the FBI doesnt really have any input.

reply to post by Rewey

Are you saying that you KNEW IMMEDIATELY that it was Osama,

He was my first thought that day, based on his past history....and yes, someone flying a plane into a building was something I figured would happen at some point. It had been in enough books by then that someone would have thought about it.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

He was my first thought that day, based on his past history....and yes, someone flying a plane into a building was something I figured would happen at some point. It had been in enough books by then that someone would have thought about it.

There are no facts to support your opinions about OBL and if there were any truth to your assumptions that OBL did 911 then the FBI would have charged him.
Don’t forget that Sibel Edmond has testified that OBL was working for the US, up to 911.



[edit on 20-11-2009 by impressme]

Many of these posts have little to do with the topic... OUR CHANCE TO CRACK 9/11. We can use this case to get 9/11 evidence. What should be the target data? The Pentagon tapes? Samples of 9/11 WTC debris? THE BLACK BOXES? We should start out with a focus item and then approach the defense lawyers.

You guys are debating whether this person or that is guilty... well that is the point of getting in contact with these people and starting the subpoenas.

[edit on 22-11-2009 by truthquest]

Originally posted by Libertygal
I would think long and hard about aligning myself with someone like this, regardless of motives, because I doubt the government will find it humerous. Am I saying you should be intimidated? Yep. There are other ways to fry that fish!

I wouldn't be aligning myself with any of the "terrorists" any more than the "terorrists" are aligning themselves with the judge that will be trying them!

Again, the topic of this thread is figuring out what the evidence we want to get is and how to get that evidence through the the "terrorists" being put on trial. So back on topic... how about that black box data? Would that be the best start or should I be trying for another piece?

So, you guys have the information. I will post it here just to make certian you do.

You all have the evidence you claim implicates the United States Governement with the 911 Attacks. Contack KSM's attorney and give it to him or this man is certain to either spend the rest of his life in jail, or die.


Scott L. Fenstermaker, Esq
300 Park Avenue, 17th Floor, New York, New York 10022
T: 212-302-0201 C: 917-817-9001 E: [email protected]
www.fenstermakerlaw.com...

www.fenstermakerlaw.com...

Man up!

I will post this in all KSM threads just in case

reply to post by impressme

There are no facts to support your opinions about OBL and if there were any truth to your assumptions that OBL did 911 then the FBI would have charged him.

What part of the FBI doesnt file charges in military courts (let alone civilian courts) do you not understand? Charges are filed by the U.S. Attorneys in Federal Courts and by the appropriate military prosecutors in military courts....NOT by the FBI.


By the way, here is a portion of the indictment against KSM in the military court system...

Specification: In that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin'Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi, persons subject to trial by military commission as alien unlawful enemy combatants, did, at various locations, from in or about 1996 to in or about May 2003, conspire and agree with Usama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, Mohamed al Kahtani; Mohammed Atef(a/k/a Abu Hafs al Masri), 19 individuals who hijacked four commercial airliners on September 11,2001: (American Airlines Flight 11, hereinafter AA #11) Mohamed Atta, Satam al Suqami, Waleed al Shehri, Wail al Shehri, Abdul Aziz al Omari; (United Airlines Flight 175, hereinafter UA #175) Marwan al Shehhi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri, Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad (hereinafter Fayez Banihammad); (United Airlines Flight 93, hereinafter UA #93) Ziad Samir Jarrah, Ahmad Ibrahim A. al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami, Saeed al Ghamdi; (American Airlines Flight 77, hereinafter AA #77) Hani Hanjour, Khalid al Mihdhar, Nawaf al Hazmi, Majed Moqed, Salem al Hazmi; and various other members and associates of the al Qaeda organization, known and unknown, and willfully join an enterprise of persons with the intent to further the unlawful purpose of the enterprise; to commit the following offenses triable by military commission: attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, murder in violation of the law of war, destruction of property in violation of the law of war, and terrorism, said agreement and enterprise sharing a common criminal purpose, known to the five accused, to attack the United States, its people, and their property, said conspiracy resulting in the deaths of 2,973 persons. (See Charge Sheet Appendix A for a list of victims killed in the attacks).

www.defenselink.mil...

Did you notice who is listed as one of the conspirators in KSM's indictment?

Not to mention that Osama has already been indicted in at least one court, for 9/11..

Spanish judge charges Bin Laden

news.bbc.co.uk...

Now, we can get back to your belief that the FBI has no hard evidence...

That story starts here..

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

One problem, Mr Tomb did not know what the heck he was talking about....according to the FBI.

Robert Mueller, before the Select Committee on Intelligence of the United States Senate, February 11, 2003.

The al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden is clearly the most urgent threat to US interests. The evidence linking al-Qaeda to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable, and our investigation of the events leading up to 9/11 has given rise to important insights into terrorist tactics and tradecraft, which will prove invaluable as we work to prevent the next attack

www.fbi.gov...

Less than 10 minutes of research to show that your post is inaccurate.....

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

In an April 19 speech delivered to the Common wealth Club in San Francisco, Mueller said that the purported hijackers, in his words, “left no paper trial.” The FBI director stated flatly:

www.democraticunderground.com...

Originally posted by SPreston
posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by SPreston

 

A paper trail refers to documents of one form or another. It does not refer to phone calls or in person discussions.

Oh my. Swampfox is back. Attention 9-11 perps. Send more reinforcements, CameronFox and jthomas and Taxidriver and thedman and Swampfox can't handle it.


Oh, did I forget again? Osama had nothing to do with 9-11 just like he said, because Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the new official Super Duper Genius Mastermind and Master Demolition Specialist of 9-11.

So how did the FBI come up with these 19 alleged hijackers within minutes of the WTC attack out of the blue, if they couldn't track them with paper trails and phone calls and in person discussions?

Simple. Since the FBI failed to topple the towers in 1993, they decided to go with Plan B in 2001. Give 19 pretend hijackers stolen identities, have them lay a false trail of 19 persons intending a terrorist act, train them on US Military bases and in CIA safe houses, send them to flying school no matter how stupid and inept they appear to flight instructers, and presto blame them for 9-11. Hand the script over to the Mainstream News Media, instant patsies, and lo and behold the American sheeple will believe anything.

While here, the hijackers did all they could to stay below our radar. They contacted no known terrorist sympathizers. They committed no egregious crimes. They dressed and acted like Americans, shopping and eating at places like Wal-Mart and Pizza Hut, blending into the woodwork all the while. When four got speeding tickets in the days leading up to September 11th, they remained calm and aroused no suspicion. Since none were known terrorists, law enforcement had no reason to question or detain them.

The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper – either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere – that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind. They used hundreds of different pay phones and cell phones, often with prepaid calling cards that are extremely difficult to trace. And they made sure that all the money sent to them to fund their attacks was wired in small amounts to avoid detection.

In short, the terrorists had managed to exploit loopholes and vulnerabilities in our systems, to stay out of sight, and to not let anyone know what they were up to beyond a very closed circle.

www.fbi.gov...

So you need to run back to headquarter Swampfox, and come up with a better disinfo campaign. Maybe they have somebody more devious to send in your place.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That was just two minutes of research to show that your post is inaccurate.....


[edit on 23-11-2009 by impressme]

reply to post by impressme


Using posts by SPreston to try and salvage your argument, just shows how fatally flawed your argument is. Suffice to say, Osama Bin Laden is named in the indictments over 9/11, that has been shown beyond a doubt by the military court documents.