Restaurant serves half fried fish - head still alive...body cooked!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Well said. I have the luxury of living in the Caribbean, and occasionally take a spiny lobster, in season, for our dinner. They are taken with a striker, through the carapace.

The first one I ever killed -- back in '95 -- was a female, and was full of roe. I was sad to have killed millions of future lobsters with that strike. Since then, I've learned to identify the gender while looking down on them underwater. The females are in general more tender, but I take only males, as I believe there are almost always sufficient males of the species to go around.

I also put a kill shot on them with a dive knife within seconds of striking them. The same goes for any fish I take from the sea. When I take conch, I punch a hole in the shell, cut the attachment muscle and quickly cut off their "brain" area. The same has gone for any food I've killed myself. I also have the luxury of knowing where my beef and chicken comes from. The cows are killed quickly, and bled out. Chickens are beheaded. I realize not everyone has the comfort of knowing where their food comes from, nor how it is killed. I didn't either when I lived in the urban sprawl.

Still, it's very disturbing to me people that take apparent delight in eating a creature that is still living, and presumably perceiving. Hopefully, the fish are in such profound shock that they truly don't feel anything. What I know is that nobody knows that for certain.

As 12m8keall and I said, it seems to be a cultural thing that people grew up with and that is apparently their norm. I cannot personally think outside of that box, and perhaps that is my shortcoming. I would be pissed to be seated at a restaurant and see such as spectacle as is portrayed in the OP video.

Its interesting that asian nations usually are the culprits when it comes to inhumane treatment of animals.

The chinese skin dogs alive, and boil them alive, just to make them taste better (somethign about the adrenaline rush the animal endures.) There are youtube videos of this, or atleast were. Cats are also on the menu.

There is also a video floating around, and still pics, of a chinese woman dressed up, with 9 in heals, infront of her, she has a tiny LIVE kitten, she proceeds to crush the kitten with her 9 inch heals repeatedly until the little thing is nothing more than a bloody pulp. However, I do believe she did get in deep trouble with the chinese authorities.

Im not sure if this is standard opperating porcedure in Chinese slaughter houses, but it does tend to make one wonder!

The japanese kill whales, and dolphins, in rather inhumane ways.

The koreans, just the same.

Now, that doesnt mean that it does not negatively effect the peoples of these nations, I do beleive that some look at these as nothing more than inhuman treatments.

The fish isn't alive. I've got the heads off of them fishing, and they appear to be breathing. Its muscle contractions, its happened for 20 minutes after they are dead. It doesn't happen all the time, but I've seen it. I like to kill something quick if I am going to do it, but that fish is dead.

its a carp anyway, who would eat that trash?

The comparison of some of the morons in this thread to people of average intelligence is comparable to a comparison of them with a fish. I'm surprised they can string a whole sentence together.

As Gandhi said: 'The greatness of a Nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals'. Maybe eugenics isn't such a bad idea after all?

PS I apologise. I realise children can join this forum too.

You people sound so silly and uneducated.

Hey, maybe an alien did it! Maybe aliens are making the fish stay alive with their flying saucer beams? Or maybe HAARP is transmitting signals to fish brains to bring them back to life?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That apparent "breathing" of the fish is muscle twitching that is common after death. Muscle spasms like this are common after death in many animals - including humans - as the nervous system exhausts the latent energy of the muscles.

Ever heard of rigor mortis? calcium levels inside muscle cells rise after death and the level of ATP in the body goes down. Inside muscles, myosin binds to actin and the muscles contract. Early on, there is enough ATP in the body to release the mysin and counter the contraction... but when rigor mortis sets in, the muscles remain contracted.

Everybody has seen a chickens nervous system exhaust the adrenaline in it's muscles after it dies, only appearing to be running around still alive.

reply to post by RestingInPieces


I would just offer to you -- as a person who has killed many animals -- that muscular contractions and/or reflexive motions are not generally regulated and even, as the fish attempting to suck air. They are spasmotic, like a fibrilation, a chaotic electrical signal. If you chop the head off a fish, it flops and moves in an irregular way.

Neither of us knows for certain, and the fish aren't talking. Regardless, I don't think it's worthy of a "Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa".

Originally posted by dreams n chains
This is a great thread only because I can run through it and quickly add people to my "foe" list so in the future I will remember easily exactly how evil they are.

Good to know the jeffrey dahmers when you are approached by them.

there it is again, assigning good or evil.

do you really think either exist?

is there such a thing as an evil tree, or an evil goat. or for the sake of this conversation an evil fish?
nature has no morals, and no good or evil.

[edit on 18-11-2009 by okamitengu]

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by okamitengu

 

Because when you bite through a grub, it twitches for a second or two, then it's dead.

When you fry half of a fish, it seems to stay alive and in pain for quite some time.

Let me put it to you this way. Would you rather have a steak cut off a cow that died relatively quickly, or one cut off a still-living cow that's chained up in front of your table and bellowing for your entertainment?

I have confidence you'd opt for the dead cow.

i dont care how it died. death is death. as long as its been cured properly to get the flavour right. one death is the same as another

The only thing this method of cooking accomplishes is that it gives the person who is eating the fish a sense of empowerment over a lesser being.

For that reason alone, I think this story is atrocious.
Someone mentioned it and this story almost immediately brought it to my attention... anyone see the "faces of death" movie where they showed the clip of people eating monkey brains in India? They centered the monkey on the table in a cage with its head protruding through a hole in the top of the cage. Then the folks at the table took turns hitting the monkey on the head with a tiny mallet. All the while having a great laugh as this monkey was screaming in agony.
Then, when the monkey was dead and after his skull had been wrapped a few more times, they simply popped the top of his skull and dug in with a spoon.

Disgusting.

All it does is satisfy an urge these people have to show their domination over what they perceive to be a lower order being.

HAHA! Drop any one of those priveledged f*&ks off in the jungle to fend for himself amongst a tribe of orangutans and see what happens to him!

At this point in our evolution the only thing that protects us from being a prey to a physically FAR SUPERIOR animal, like a gorilla, is the fact that we live in large numbers and have nice technology.

Reverse the roles and the situation is inversed as well.

So from one angle a person could say: "See, they would do something similar to us" (youtube videos of chimpanzees raping and eating their defeated foes) so therefore this is all "natural" and is just fine.

But I see it a little differently. I see this from the light that we have only gotten to the point where we are on the ladder here because we were able to develop a means to organize and consolidate our knowledge in a way that is passable externally (see cultural memes) to allow us to overcome these "lower species" in the long run.
Meaning, it took smarts, not brawn.

These idiotic f(cktards are using brawn here, not smarts.

It is not natural to the progression of human society to this point.

People do not, as a whole, go around torturing animals simply for the sake of seeing them tortured.

Fish feel pain, they have a central nervous system

this is years old news

welcome to the real world, Taiwan to be more specific.

Probably no one here has seen the Korean movie Oldboy, where the main character swallows a small octopus alive in a restaurant.

They still eat dogs and cats there.

We have bigger problems facing this world than some people who seen too many "Indiana Jones and the temple of doom" movies....

[edit on 18-11-2009 by Grey Magic]

No limits in a CHINESE restaurant ..!

.... ridiculous , gotta be stopped

Originally posted by Grey Magic
this is years old news

welcome to the real world, Taiwan to be more specific.

Probably no one here has seen the movie Korean Oldboy, where the main character swallows a small octopus alive in a restaurant.

They still eat dogs and cats there.

We have bigger problems facing this world than some people who seen too many "Indiana Jones and the temple of doom" movies....

I know this is old news, but I found the bigger problems do share a common root, and it's related with the behavior of these type of people.

Recent ATS thread, only this time it happened in the US. I could kill someone like this!

Some of the calves were partially skinned before bleed to death.

In canada. No more skinning alive: Canada toughens seal hunt rules

Canada's Fisheries Minister says the new rules are modest modifications of existing practices aimed at placating the concerns of animal welfare groups and the European Union.

However the Minister also says the 2009 hunt will go ahead as planned.

The International Humane Society is dismissing the new rules as "cynical" and "cosmetic".

Old ATS thread, china again. Some Chinese Skin Animals Alive For Fur, Meat **Warning Graphic**

I am an avid eater of flesh; I love meat of all type. But I think this is messed up in so many ways. It is cruel and uncalled for. It you are going to eat it kill it quickly and then cook it.

I truly cannot believe, though it should come as no doubt, the cruelty man is capable of.


This is sickening. Really who in their right mind thinks it is right to torture a living creature. I could see if this were kids to a degree because kids do things without understanding them fully. That is not to say it would not disturb me some, only that it would be more understandable.

I love all types of meat but I would not want to see it cut apart slowly so that I could eat it or even dipped in hot grease while alive and being kept alive. Truly disgusting and a black eye for humanity, such cruel creatures we are.

Raist

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This just means you are insensitive to other cultures and uninformed about fish.

Fish do no feel emotion or pain and lack the portions of the brain to do so. They are basically swimming machines.

You are confusing fish with Mammals I think and applying your emotions to them incorrectly.

In our Western Culture we have become detached from our own natures. Like it or not you are a Omnivore and descended from Hunter Gatherers with a system that can not survive without things found only in animal protein.

There is no difference between a Brown Bear, a Wolf or a Big Cat starting to consume its prey while still alive and us doing the same. We have the same right to survive as any other animal on this planet and those radicals who can not deal with that are naive beyond belief.

I'm on your side when it comes to dealing with Mammals being prepared for us to eat, but to pretend to feel sorry for an animal who can not feel is naive at best. In fact I'm an activist when it comes to the mistreatment of pets but that is another matter entirely. Remember in the 1990's when there was an uproar over a Lobster, which is an animal lacking even a Cerebral Cortex?

Perhaps it is the fault of schools not teaching these things, but it is likely more from people who were taught but did not pay attention.

Save your pity for suffering humans for whom a fish could be the difference between life and death. As far as this topic; its no worse than stepping on a bug.

Not feeling the hole making the comparison of a Bear, Wolf or some cat to HUMANS.

WE HUMANS are better then that. No need for this, just wonder if the poor little fishy can feel it?

Wonder if people will re-do the video with the fish speaking with the youtube labels

That will be good comedy

reply to post by Blaine91555


I respect your opinion, Blaine; You speak from a point of knowledge and experience.

Still, you know what nags at me? Lobster, Fish, snake, sea urchin, squid, and probably sea cucumber of all things..... they fight the hardest when the sharp metal object pierces their skin, don't they? It just seems unnecessary to me to prolong the life of a creature once decision has been made to kill it.

That ought to be a difference between humans and other animals.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Blaine, I understand science says the fish cannot feel pain. Science has also said the the human fetus cannot feel pain until the third trimester while others say it can be felt at the very start of the second.

The truth of the matter is we do not know for sure who or what feels pain if any until we are in the shoes of that person or thing. I am not saying plants feel pain but certainly it is possible that anything with a nervous system has the ability to feel pain, including insects.

I might be wrong or I might be right but should we not give the benefit of the doubt just in case? Either kill it fast or don’t try to eat it. The motto we should all strive for is end it quickly or not at all.

Raist

Originally posted by Alethea

Originally posted by okamitengu

funny how because the japanese do it, that its wrong.


if it gets eaten, it doesnt matter how it dies. its dead.


.... other animals TEAR thier prey limb from limb to eat it. dont hear you complaining we should stop lions from eating gazelles. thats cruel!

The saddest thing about the film was listening to people laugh as the fish struggled for breath.

The comments above are very insensitive and show a lack of respect for other life forms.

When a hawk catches a smaller bird, the initial swift action of capturing prey is to break the neck in the instant of catching it. It is merciful.


With the fish displayed in the video above, it has been tortured in hot grease and left to be eaten alive.

This is repulsive. This is barbaric. The thought of treating creatures like this shows a lack of feeling...period. And those who find it entertaining or laughable are not quite human.

Why this is news now is odd, I remember seeing this exact method of cooking on a show when I was a kid, Ripleys believe it or not, I think it was.

It sickened me then, and sickens me now.

Anyone spouting "It's just a fish!" or "Hey we eat things, they die, deal with it!!" is part of the problem.

One there is no solution for. We're doomed as a species because we cannot see the problems inherent in our own arrogance.

We Human, we torture, We Mighty !!! We OWN YOU ANIMALZ!!

These stories break my heart and make me want to fly off in a rocket while floating around in deep space for the rest of my days without any human contact ever again.

For those wondering if this is real: It most likely is. This has been a delicacy for a while. This chef/dish is nothing innovative.

For those of you claiming fish don't feel pain: Not so. Studies have been done where fish have been injected with insect venom. Their reactions show they definitely feel pain. I don't know how/why the myth continues that fish don't feel pain.

Animal cruelty (as well as human cruelty) is rampant in the East.